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Senator: Deal to avoid default and open government
AP ^ | 10/16/13 | Alan Fram

Posted on 10/16/2013 8:24:39 AM PDT by TangledUpInBlue

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To: penelopesire
I hope we don’t bite the bait. Focus needs to continue to be the epic failures of Obamacare. He doesn’t have the votes to pass amnesty right now I don’t think. It is just a shell game.

Don't know Pen....He didn't have the votes before, but if Obama gets respite today, he will have new momentum and be on the road tomorrow with amnesty and continue the harangue of blaming Repubs. If his media campaign shifts the polls, GOP will cave....again...

Sheesh: Just now hearing Rush say the same thing. On to the next battle... Amnesty.

51 posted on 10/16/2013 9:23:51 AM PDT by thouworm (Harry Reid: 'We Support the Federal government. That's Our Job. That's What We Do.')
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To: Blackirish
Seems some folks here are willing to hold their breaths until Nancy Pelosi is speaker.

I'm starting to believe it wouldn't make that much of a difference.
Plus she has balls.
52 posted on 10/16/2013 9:24:50 AM PDT by novemberslady
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To: Democrat_media
The USA is a news media dictatorship, .the media are socialist monsters and they rule with an iron fist

It is an establishment dictatorship, but you are right that the media (including Fox) plays a crucial role. But what makes their job so easy are the establishment Republicans. If the Republicans behaved like a real opposition party, they could do a more effective job countering the spin (especially since so much of it is blatantly false).

Establishment Republicans are the real, underlying problem. Opposing them at every turn (even if it means fewer "R"s and more "D"s) is a pre-requisite for any meaningful opposition to the transformation of America.
53 posted on 10/16/2013 9:25:06 AM PDT by jjsheridan5
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To: mrsmith

listening to mcconnell address senate now on cspan.

says something will happen later today

platitudes, no specifics that i could tell

why is anything that gets announced in the senate news of any significance?


54 posted on 10/16/2013 9:25:56 AM PDT by SteveH (First they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they fight you. Then you win.)
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To: vette6387

Ayotte should be a one term senator. She has the IQ of an amoeba

with apologies to amoebas. Fixed it


55 posted on 10/16/2013 9:26:07 AM PDT by mistfree (Their & There, they're not the same)
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To: thouworm

The big secret of the cosmos is that the author of evil is smaller than the author of goodness. If we collapse everytime there is a trial (because of our lack of faith in this fundamental fact) then we get nowhere. Quite true, Obama is probably going to brag on his usual vapid nothing, and we have to steel ourselves as best as possible for it. But an iterative process is going on here and when the good dares to make a move, it will make progress in the big picture.


56 posted on 10/16/2013 9:26:18 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: Blackirish
so what's your solution keep raising the debt limit?

that is what will cause collapse , growing debt. why aren't you and your media allies worried about what the exploding debt will do to the markets

the markets will see finally common sense in not raising the debt ceiling and will eventually grow. that is what is needed , to stop borrowing or don't you get it? you are brainwashed by the media lies. are you a democrat?

57 posted on 10/16/2013 9:26:57 AM PDT by Democrat_media (IRS rigged election for Obama and democrats by shutting down tea party)
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To: SteveH

sen. pryor (d-ark) now addressing senate, giving credit to sen collins


58 posted on 10/16/2013 9:27:15 AM PDT by SteveH (First they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they fight you. Then you win.)
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To: SteveH

Well, they announced the “deal” so now we know what it is.

It’s very bad.


59 posted on 10/16/2013 9:28:43 AM PDT by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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To: SteveH

now mccain is on, giving thanks to the committee of 14 senators


60 posted on 10/16/2013 9:29:00 AM PDT by SteveH (First they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they fight you. Then you win.)
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To: TangledUpInBlue

And Cruz just announced he will NOT block it. In the end, he caved just like everyone else.


61 posted on 10/16/2013 9:29:06 AM PDT by bigdaddy45
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To: Democrat_media

A lot of people see that. You know how you stop that? Win elections. Until this fiasco we had a better then 50% chance on winning senate keeping house ....And that old hag Hillary is entirely beatable. To add to it all Obamacare was DOA with it’s disaster roll out so once again why is this a good strategy?


62 posted on 10/16/2013 9:29:26 AM PDT by Blackirish
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To: TangledUpInBlue

DEFUND OBAMACARE!

“Sebelius: ObamaCare To Bring ‘Western Civilization To Its Knees’”

http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials-obama-care/101413-675081-obamacare-bringing-western-civilization-to-its-knees.htm


63 posted on 10/16/2013 9:29:42 AM PDT by 444Flyer (How long O LORD?)
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To: stonewall_jackson215

“Wall Street appears to like the news...”

Cheap money.

Can’t wait for amnesty either. Cheap labor.

Wall Street is an enemy of the people as well.


64 posted on 10/16/2013 9:29:53 AM PDT by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (REPEAL WASHINGTON! -- Islam Delenda Est! -- I Want Constantinople Back. -- Rumble thee forth.)
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To: mrsmith

I think we could know it was going to be bad.

On the other hand, swallowing what the Senate wanted right away would have been even worse.


65 posted on 10/16/2013 9:30:46 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: TangledUpInBlue

And I guarantee you that CommieCare is fully funded and Obama’s worthless Congress is still exempt and his campaign donors are still except. CommieCare is only for those that can’t afford to buy their way out of it.


66 posted on 10/16/2013 9:31:09 AM PDT by NKP_Vet
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To: SteveH

cspan ticker says cruz will not block senate vote


67 posted on 10/16/2013 9:32:54 AM PDT by SteveH (First they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they fight you. Then you win.)
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What did the American people gain from this deal?

All of this and for what end?

68 posted on 10/16/2013 9:33:47 AM PDT by tapatio (In memory of my Dad 5-27-26 2-4-2010 and Mom 4-20-26 12-8-2012)
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To: Blackirish

The markets are artificially inflated right now. A sell off will bring things to normal. Obama can do what he wants and withhold SS checks, the media will blame the pubs but Dear Leader would only be affecting his own people.


69 posted on 10/16/2013 9:33:59 AM PDT by miliantnutcase
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To: JRandomFreeper

It is noted your concern over the bill to be presented....so you think this is simply grandstanding? Even Cruz has spoken that he will not stop this now...The bill will be presented....and supposedly a vote taken today.

Do you expect something else otherwise?


70 posted on 10/16/2013 9:34:22 AM PDT by caww
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To: bigdaddy45
And Cruz just announced he will NOT block it. In the end, he caved just like everyone else. He did NOT cave. He won't block it because he can't -- if the House takes up the Senate bill first, the Senate can just pass it by simple majority. At best, he could delay it by a day or so. That would just be an a-hole move, and he realizes it. Ted ain't dead.
71 posted on 10/16/2013 9:34:34 AM PDT by King of Florida (A little government and a little luck are necessary in life, but only a fool trusts either of them.)
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To: NKP_Vet

I’m quite philosophical about this. Even if the GOP blinked, there was still a big stink. People knew there was a clash going on. Now they are seeing the sticker shock and technical incompetence too. Something is poised to gel in the dazed US mind, perhaps. It won’t be paradise on earth, but the pendulum will move. The fact it doesn’t keep moving to the good is our fault. We get lazy when we think things are nice enough on earth, forgetting that there is a heaven to forge on towards.


72 posted on 10/16/2013 9:34:34 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: bigdaddy45

wouldn’t a cruz block be symbolic at this point? everything seems really up to the house, not the senate.


73 posted on 10/16/2013 9:34:48 AM PDT by SteveH (First they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they fight you. Then you win.)
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To: grania

When we list traitors to campaign promises, this woman is the worst. She seems to have no compass whatsover as to values.


Has Sarah P commented on her lately.

I would assume she is feeling betrayed as she backed her as a conservative, and she’s nothing more than a turncoat


74 posted on 10/16/2013 9:34:56 AM PDT by patriotspride
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To: SteveH
cspan ticker says cruz will not block senate vote

Another 24-hour filibuster would accomplish just that, a 24-hour delay. Plus, the media would saddle Cruz with having caused a technical default.

75 posted on 10/16/2013 9:35:03 AM PDT by Kennard
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To: novemberslady
Seems some folks here are willing to hold their breaths until Nancy Pelosi is speaker.

I'm starting to believe it wouldn't make that much of a difference. Plus she has balls.


Ironically, it would actually be better. True opposition has to be unified, and consistent, in order to be effective. What non-conservative Republicans do is that they make effective opposition impossible.

It reminds me of a baseball story (I know it was in a Boswell book, but I don't remember the players involved). A fan was despondent over the team's performance, and was going through the various players' roles. When it came to the 3rd basemen, the fan stated that he wasn't a problem (he was a good fielder, and mediocre hitter). In one sense, the fan was correct. But Boswell disagreed with him vehemently. The problem was that he was just good enough that nobody wanted to replace him, but that he wasn't good enough to make a difference. Even though he was one of the better players on the team, he actually was the underlying problem. Every year, they put him out there, not accepting that at certain positions (3rd base being one of them), just being good enough isn't acceptable, if your goal is to actually be successful.

Boswell correctly came to the conclusion that the team would have been better off with a scrub at 3rd base. I have come to the similar conclusion that we might actually be better off with Pelosi as speaker (with the one, huge, caveat that this would only be true if the establishment Republicans were defeated, either in the primaries or the general).
76 posted on 10/16/2013 9:35:32 AM PDT by jjsheridan5
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To: caww
Is there a bill? And do you have a link to Cruz saying he won't block it?

/johnny

77 posted on 10/16/2013 9:35:39 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: SteveH
Say that again.

cruz will not block senate vote

Again.

cruz will not block senate vote

Again.

cruz will not block senate vote

78 posted on 10/16/2013 9:36:13 AM PDT by Old Sarge (And Good Evening, Agent Smith, wherever you are...)
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To: King of Florida

Ted ain’t dead.


Far from it. He has emerged as a shining light for the future from this
kabuki theater called government


79 posted on 10/16/2013 9:36:25 AM PDT by patriotspride
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To: Kennard

It would still be worth it, possibly, but we don’t know all the wheeling and dealing either.


80 posted on 10/16/2013 9:36:34 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

John, it’s an ‘alert’ that popped up on C-Span about Cruz.


81 posted on 10/16/2013 9:37:08 AM PDT by Guenevere (....)
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To: SteveH
the media won.

Even cruz believes the media when the media say there is a crisis. the media lies there is no global catastrophe looming, there is n’t even a crisis as there was never a threat of default

we are done.all we have left is Cw2 but all are too scared.

82 posted on 10/16/2013 9:37:11 AM PDT by Democrat_media (IRS rigged election for Obama and democrats by shutting down tea party)
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To: SteveH

what proposal are these people talking about specifically?

all i hear so far are platitudes. it sounds like a lot of self preserving pablum


83 posted on 10/16/2013 9:37:12 AM PDT by SteveH (First they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they fight you. Then you win.)
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To: thouworm

Thank you; I was getting ready to post that myself.
God help us.


84 posted on 10/16/2013 9:37:40 AM PDT by Excellence (All your database are belong to us.)
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To: SteveH
the media won.

Even cruz believes the media when the media say there is a crisis. the media lies there is no global catastrophe looming, there isn't even a crisis as there was never a threat of default

we are done.all we have left is Cw2 but all are too scared.

85 posted on 10/16/2013 9:37:42 AM PDT by Democrat_media (IRS rigged election for Obama and democrats by shutting down tea party)
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To: SteveH
it sounds like a lot of self preserving pablum

That's what politicians do, all of them.

86 posted on 10/16/2013 9:38:15 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: jjsheridan5

On the larger scale it is an iterative process. There’s more than one way to be rid of mediocrity (or, and this is actually preferable, force it to improve).


87 posted on 10/16/2013 9:38:25 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: TangledUpInBlue

Can’t wait for the next phone call from the RNC. Ha Ha!!!!


88 posted on 10/16/2013 9:38:38 AM PDT by kempster
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To: SteveH
Whoa! Did you just hear McCain stumble over being proud of his 7 colleagues...what was that about...he switched and stammered to get it out ! Sounded like he was refering to certain people...who are these 7 he referenced and backtracked on?
89 posted on 10/16/2013 9:39:21 AM PDT by caww
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To: TangledUpInBlue

The Senate could have a 1000 deals, but if the HOUSE doesn’t go along with it, then it’s a waste of time.

Do NOT Deal, Congressman Wenstrup, Ohio 2nd!


90 posted on 10/16/2013 9:39:38 AM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: Kennard

no a filibuster would show everyone that not raising the debt limit didn’t cause the global catastrophe the media and Obama has been saying not raising the debt limit would

Cruz caved . he believes the media lies


91 posted on 10/16/2013 9:39:44 AM PDT by Democrat_media (IRS rigged election for Obama and democrats by shutting down tea party)
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To: SteveH

sen collins addressing senate now, lauding
plan developed by 14 senators to avoid default
and submitted to reid and mcconnell, and addressing
the 17 trillion debt. the final plan evidently
will incorporate elements of the 14 senator plan
(what does that mean????)


92 posted on 10/16/2013 9:40:25 AM PDT by SteveH (First they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they fight you. Then you win.)
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To: King of Florida; SteveH

Cruz could hold things up for a few hours or days at most. He made his argument and his point is clear, but until we clear out the Rats and GOPe we won’t win. But his drawing attention to the facts during the past several weeks plus the government’s overreaching (closing open-air parks, banning priests from saying Mass to the troops, etc.) will have a lasting memory with the populace.


93 posted on 10/16/2013 9:40:40 AM PDT by CedarDave (Benghazi victim's mom: "Hillary doesn't give a damn about you.")
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To: jjsheridan5

When some people on this board believe that we’d be better off with Nancy Pelosi as speaker . There’s really nothing left to debate. I’m not going to question your patriotism just your sanity.


94 posted on 10/16/2013 9:40:55 AM PDT by Blackirish
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To: TangledUpInBlue

it’s time for third party


95 posted on 10/16/2013 9:41:03 AM PDT by Cubs Fan (EVERYTHING IS RACISM!!! except hating whitey)
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To: Democrat_media
Senator Cruz: Intends to vote no 'because it is a bad deal for the american people' but will not delay the vote.

Per Special Report on Twitter

96 posted on 10/16/2013 9:41:05 AM PDT by tapatio (In memory of my Dad 5-27-26 2-4-2010 and Mom 4-20-26 12-8-2012)
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To: dfwgator

Every last one of them. Crooks, liars and thieves all of them. Zero exceptions.


97 posted on 10/16/2013 9:41:11 AM PDT by Wyatt's Torch
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To: JRandomFreeper

He was just on Fox news....heard him say so and they are reporting on twitter he said so....


98 posted on 10/16/2013 9:41:36 AM PDT by caww
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To: TangledUpInBlue

Sooner or later they’ll shove Soviet Union style health care on us and then legalize tens of millions of illegal aliens....

And continue to leave the borders wide open.


99 posted on 10/16/2013 9:41:56 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: The Sons of Liberty
Boehner didn't bend over. He, McCain and the other RINOs dislike Conservatives more than they dislike liberal democrats. They want to punish Ted Cruz and the Tea Party by giving the democrats all they want. It's called SPITE.
100 posted on 10/16/2013 9:42:17 AM PDT by tsowellfan (www.cafenetamerica.com)
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