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Senate Debt Deal Includes Provision Lessening Congress' Power On Debt Ceiling
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Posted on 10/16/2013 4:49:51 PM PDT by Perdogg

Capitol Hill talk regarding the Senate deal apparently includes a provision that would take away the Congress’ power to increase the debt ceiling. According to Politico, it looks like the buzz appears to be true.:

The plan includes a proposal offered by McConnell in the 2011 debt ceiling crisis that allows Congress to disapprove of the debt ceiling increase, which means lawmakers will formally vote on whether to reject a debt ceiling increase until Feb. 7. Obama can veto that legislation if it passes. If Congress fails as expected to gather a two-thirds majority to override the veto, the debt ceiling would be raised.

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To: Java4Jay
The evils of government are directly proportional to the misinforming of the people by the news media
51 posted on 10/16/2013 5:17:15 PM PDT by Democrat_media (IRS rigged election for Obama and democrats by shutting down tea party)
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To: SoFloFreeper
That's not what I'm seeing. The debt extension expires in February. The CR expires in January.

/johnny

52 posted on 10/16/2013 5:17:36 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Perdogg

53 posted on 10/16/2013 5:19:23 PM PDT by JPG (Yes We Can morphs into Make It Hurt.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

“Money still has to be appropriated by congress before it can be spent. Borrowing and spending are two different things.”

and when was the last time congress didnt appropriate a trillion or two?

Who is going to say no? King, McLame, Boner, Lady gramnesty, ore any other of the french republicans. Only the democrats have the balls to say no and then only to a republican administration. Not to worry there will never be another republican administration anyway.


54 posted on 10/16/2013 5:20:42 PM PDT by Breto (Stranger in a strange land... where did America go?)
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To: JRandomFreeper

FR is slow tonight for me..

See #47 for the names of the 16 and 18 NOs


55 posted on 10/16/2013 5:20:43 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Corporate Democrat

So, who’s missing from the 19 votes with Cruz on the filibuster vote of a couple of weeks ago?


56 posted on 10/16/2013 5:20:48 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: teg_76

absolutely, the debt limit was the one brake on unlimited spending and debt.

this is the single most destructive act and greatest betrayal that any Republican has done that i can recall.

McConnell has thrown it away in exchange for a PR based fake vote against a debt increase that will never have any effect

he has done this to deliberately reduce the power of the t party that does want to do something about spending and debt

something to ponder, if whatever democrat had defeated mcconnell last time around, this would not have happened.


57 posted on 10/16/2013 5:22:44 PM PDT by Reverend Wright (1990 Budget Agreement: learn from other's mistakes)
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To: Perdogg

Did Emperor Nero’s horse get appointed to the Senate as part of the deal?


58 posted on 10/16/2013 5:22:47 PM PDT by peyton randolph (Tagline copyright in violation of Directive 10-289)
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To: Breto
We're operating under sequestration now. It continues and there are automatic sequestration cuts in January that total 109 billion.

/johnny

59 posted on 10/16/2013 5:23:11 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Perdogg

We have lost almost all battles

the last battle is the Amnesty bill

if we lose that then we can lose all hope because we will be done then


60 posted on 10/16/2013 5:24:54 PM PDT by Democrat_media (IRS rigged election for Obama and democrats by shutting down tea party)
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To: Perdogg

We have lost almost all battles

the last battle is the Amnesty bill

if we lose that then we can lose all hope because we will be done then

stop Amnesty. no bill at all from the House as it will be merged with the Senate Amnesty bill. call congress


61 posted on 10/16/2013 5:25:42 PM PDT by Democrat_media (IRS rigged election for Obama and democrats by shutting down tea party)
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To: SoFloFreeper

“(1) IN GENERAL.—Section 3101(b) of title 31,
United States Code, [the debt limit] shall not apply for the period
beginning on the date on which the President sub
mits to Congress a certification under subsection (b)
and ending on February 7, 2014.”

“ending on February 7, 2014”

There is sinister purpose however: to get us used to using a debt limit date instead of a debt limit amount.
Hope that doesn’t catch on.


62 posted on 10/16/2013 5:32:30 PM PDT by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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To: teg_76

McConnell IS one of THEM. He’s certainly NOT an American anymore than the Democrats are. American’s respect the Constitution that gave life to their lives.


63 posted on 10/16/2013 5:34:03 PM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will. They ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

This story is a misreading of the bill (as I read it). What the bill says is that the debt ceiling is increased through Feb. 7. Any time between now and Feb. 7, Congress could pass a law that ends the suspension of the debt ceiling before Feb. 7 - so, for instance, if Obama decided to just go ahead and try to issue ten trillion dollars of new debt between now and February, Congress could put the brakes on that. The bill says nothing about what happens after Feb. 7.


64 posted on 10/16/2013 5:34:44 PM PDT by Conscience of a Conservative
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To: Jet Jaguar; NorwegianViking; ExTexasRedhead; HollyB; FromLori; EricTheRed_VocalMinority; ...

The list, Ping

Let me know if you would like to be on or off the ping list

http://www.nachumlist.com/


65 posted on 10/16/2013 5:37:05 PM PDT by Nachum (Obamacare: It's. The. Flaw.)
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To: Democrat_media
the last battle is the Amnesty bill

if we lose that then we can lose all hope because we will be done then

Yep. I have always said that amnesty is checkmate for our Republic.

Boehner is 100% behind giving the illegals criminals full amnesty.

There will be 14M + new RAT voters: average education 6th grade; strong Socialist leanings; and a average childbirth rate > 4.

The vast invasion force of illegal criminals strongly believe that government should provide generous support programs for them.

And these are the people Boehner is determined to reward.

66 posted on 10/16/2013 5:37:22 PM PDT by sand88
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To: Perdogg

is this just made up?

nobody else has this story.

is there any permanent change in the law?


67 posted on 10/16/2013 5:38:23 PM PDT by RockyTx
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To: Conscience of a Conservative

BS

Judas Mitchy has tried tried to push this crap sandwich before .
K street wants govt goodies with no budget and Mitchy is there bag man


68 posted on 10/16/2013 5:39:34 PM PDT by ncalburt ( Amnesty media out in full force ing)
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To: Perdogg

SO, from simple majority to increase the debt to a super majority needed to prevent its increase. Meaning, the debt will always be increased. Always.

We arte so screwed. This is like a drunk having the car keys and we’re passengers that cannot leave the vehicle.


69 posted on 10/16/2013 5:39:56 PM PDT by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off. -786 +969)
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To: Perdogg

Oh well, guess I won’t be filing a tax return this go round.

F U B O! FU RINOS!


70 posted on 10/16/2013 5:41:26 PM PDT by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal the 16th Amendment)
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To: RockyTx

Do you really think Fox Leftist news us going to let the truth slip out ?
its the Karl Rove -Mcamnesty propaganda network !


71 posted on 10/16/2013 5:42:18 PM PDT by ncalburt ( Amnesty media out in full force ing)
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To: ncalburt
BS

It's not BS. The bill is public. I've read it. You can read it too. The provision being discussed in this article does not allow Obama to unilaterally raise the debt ceiling after Feb. 7 absent Congressional action. It allows Congress to reverse the increase UNTIL Feb. 7.

72 posted on 10/16/2013 5:43:14 PM PDT by Conscience of a Conservative
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To: Perdogg

So bozo paid him off and he fell for it and sold us out , we the people, pfftt


73 posted on 10/16/2013 5:43:59 PM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: ldish

yep.


74 posted on 10/16/2013 5:44:35 PM PDT by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: CodeToad
Only until Feb.

/johnny

75 posted on 10/16/2013 5:44:41 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Zakeet

Heading off to his Obamacare appointment.

76 posted on 10/16/2013 5:46:21 PM PDT by Ezekiel (The Obama-nation began with the Inauguration of Desolation.)
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To: JRandomFreeper
We're operating under sequestration now. It continues and there are automatic sequestration cuts in January that total 109 billion.

Gee, how will the country (and RAT bastard 0dumb0 & the Senate/House) survive with such a draconian 2% cut to their spending addiction? It's too much I say! /s

Looks like 0dumb0 will need to keep the federal parks & cemetaries & open air memorials shuttered indefinitely if another 2% has to be cut. Oh & BTW, I believe the sequestration only affects future projected growth spending, not real cuts to 2013 or 2014.

77 posted on 10/16/2013 5:49:22 PM PDT by rcrngroup
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To: mrsmith

Unlimited credit...for four months. Sounds like time to build up a surplus.


78 posted on 10/16/2013 5:50:04 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: Perdogg

Way to go, Mitch—you post-turtle POS!
You managed to screw your party and country, you miserable SOB.


79 posted on 10/16/2013 5:51:23 PM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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To: Perdogg

America was fun while it lasted.


80 posted on 10/16/2013 5:51:33 PM PDT by Absolutely Nobama (The Doomsday Clock is at 11:59:00......tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-tock.....)
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To: rcrngroup
It's real cuts. You can read about it here. Unless you just want to gripe.

/johnny

81 posted on 10/16/2013 5:52:47 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Conscience of a Conservative

I see the RNC staff are spinning the Ugly facts here !

Why the hell would Judas Mitch include this crap but to Keep the Spending

going non stop for K street !

There was NO Reason to insert this clause but to screw the Repub house!

Who are you trying to Fool !

Do you work for Mitch !


82 posted on 10/16/2013 5:54:35 PM PDT by ncalburt ( Amnesty media out in full force ing)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Well, you and I know they’ll make for permanent. It is always this incrementalism.


83 posted on 10/16/2013 5:57:52 PM PDT by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off. -786 +969)
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To: teg_76

These people are dumber than dirt and are abdicating their one responsibility. What a pathetic display by Republicans caving in on every issue.

Why not just issue obozo a no limit debt card? Serious question at this point as we are now officially a one party nation.


84 posted on 10/16/2013 5:57:58 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Perdogg

http://www.ajc.com/weblogs/jamie-dupree/2013/oct/16/details-budgetdebt-limit-deal/


85 posted on 10/16/2013 5:58:25 PM PDT by swamprebel (a Constitution once changed from Freedom, can never be restored.)
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To: lepton

have you noticed the trolls defending this unreal clause slipped in here!
Is Mitchy Judas has his reelection staff working overtime !


86 posted on 10/16/2013 5:58:53 PM PDT by ncalburt ( Amnesty media out in full force ing)
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To: JPG

Soon you will simply download your money, save it as a jpg file and print out as much as you want.

Heck, if it is good enough for the government.......


87 posted on 10/16/2013 5:59:21 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: CodeToad
It hasn't happened yet. I'll make my phone calls to pressure my reps to see that it gets fought if they try.

/johnny

88 posted on 10/16/2013 6:03:21 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Perdogg

Once this passes, all that’s left for Obama to do is to set fire to the Reichstag.


89 posted on 10/16/2013 6:03:48 PM PDT by Hoodat (BENGHAZI - 4 KILLED, 2 MIA)
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To: lepton

Though, as others point out, he can only borrow money for spending already authorized by congress he can borrow as much as he wants.
He doesn’t have to choose which Democrat donor he’s going to give authorized money to- he can pay them all.

A debt limit amount instead of a debt limit date forces him to choose who gets what.

I hope he abuses it so that come the next debt limit bill the idea of using a date is discredited.


90 posted on 10/16/2013 6:03:49 PM PDT by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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To: Perdogg
Have done with this “debt ceiling” nonsense. It gets raised every time it comes up. Just abolish the notion of a government that runs on a budget. Why bother with the pretense anymore?
91 posted on 10/16/2013 6:03:52 PM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: JRandomFreeper
>>Money still has to be appropriated by congress before it can be spent. Borrowing and spending are two different things.<<

Something you are obviously missing. The debt ceiling keeps rising....because of government spending. This latest lil show was only for appearances during the coming election cycle.

Gubbamint hasn't slowed spending one tiny itty bitty bit.

Come February, they will give Obozo another 1.1 Trillion smack-a-roos. That's “T” for trillion.

92 posted on 10/16/2013 6:04:21 PM PDT by servantboy777
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To: Perdogg

Thanks, Perdogg for starting thread! Been posting the link on every other thread I’ve been on in the last hour! Drudge has it at the top left of the page.


93 posted on 10/16/2013 6:04:26 PM PDT by Bushbacker1 (Molon Labe! (Oathkeeper))
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To: demshateGod

If we had an honest media this debt ceiling increase wouldn’t pass and we’d have no problems. not being sarcastic. it’s true the media create a false reality. there was no chance of default but the media lied and pushed this crap true


94 posted on 10/16/2013 6:05:29 PM PDT by Democrat_media (IRS rigged election for Obama and democrats by shutting down tea party)
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To: servantboy777
I don't see any law passed saying they are giving Obama 1.1 Trillion in February.

/johnny

95 posted on 10/16/2013 6:06:30 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: rockinqsranch

This bill also includes $2 BILLION for a project in McConnell land.


96 posted on 10/16/2013 6:07:07 PM PDT by Solson (The Voters stole the election! And the establishment wants it back.)
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To: Conscience of a Conservative
so, for instance, if Obama decided to just go ahead and try to issue ten trillion dollars of new debt between now and February, Congress could put the brakes on that

So, you would be happy if Obama decided to issue 10T in new debt? The odds are near zero that Congress would get 2/3rds to override his veto.

You seem quite excited about Obama having this power?

Do you not understand the utter evil of shifting this power (to issue new debt) to the President?

I guess your Pals at the DUmp are excited.

This provision is pure evil and anyone who believes it is no big deal is either an idiot or evil themselves.

97 posted on 10/16/2013 6:09:00 PM PDT by sand88
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To: sand88

I suspect the Rnc and Mitchy ‘s aides are trying to limit the damage to him by lying here !


98 posted on 10/16/2013 6:12:01 PM PDT by ncalburt ( Amnesty media out in full force ing)
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To: ncalburt
I don't think that will work. I don't know a single freeper that wants to keep McConnell in the Senate. I've got a whole list of Senators that need to go, including my senator Cornyn.

/johnny

99 posted on 10/16/2013 6:14:15 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Perdogg

I understand the outrage but in a practical sense it matters not. Makes absolutely no difference. Name one time they have NOT raised the debt ceiling. They have this periodic drama dance then the RINOs cave and the debt ceiling gets raised. I understand the purpose of the debt ceiling to elevate the matter to the public’s attention etc. But I see no results in the way of spending reductions happening. Just a bunch of hot air. Even Cruz is caving. Screw em all.


100 posted on 10/16/2013 6:14:48 PM PDT by plain talk
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