Skip to comments.Senate Debt Deal Includes Provision Lessening Congress' Power On Debt Ceiling
Posted on 10/16/2013 4:49:51 PM PDT by Perdogg
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In 1863 when President Lincoln gave the Gettysburg Address the Earth was a different place....
I hope you guys/gals are right.
Your second sentence above must be added to the power to acquire revenue (raise revenue). Seldom will there be the notion "let's just raise a billion dollars" without some reason attached for doing so, even if it's simply "let's raise a billion to have sitting in an account." The purpose is: "to have sitting in an account" in that instance.
And, the power to block any other use of that money is, as you say, contained in the requirement that the Senate and House must agree on any bill going forward.
So far as my comment that "disbursing funds" is the domain of the House, I would have to agree with you in terms of the exact wording of the Constitution. However, the "purpose" for raising those funds is generally assumed in the raising of them.
The bottom line is that for the most part I agree with you. Thanks for your thoughts. I appreciate precision, and you forcing me to be precise. That's a good thing.
Heh. And that's the rub. The Supreme Court has defined a "bill for raising revenue" as a bill that has the primary purpose of general operation of government functions. IRS statutes, for example, just establish how to get the money, not how to spend it.
If a bill gives a particular object for spending the money on, then (even if it also raises taxes, see Obama care and the medical devices tax) it is not considered a bill for raising revenue, so it can originate in either chamber.
Not that any of it matters. The Supreme Court is in for a pound on the scheme of enlarging the power of the federal government.
2010 was not an anomaly. It will be repeated x2 in 2014.
Separation of powers???
Whatever happened to that???
Where is this process called the Supreme Court???
I guess when you blur the lines enoough where the people lose inerest in the crumbling of our system of checks and balances...
Where is the check and balances now???
Well, I hope you know what to do about them...
Are you looking for a bass player???
I hear they have a great healthcare plan, free parking (in the back), and a buffet lunch on Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays...
I can’t think of where in the Constitution, the current Congress has the authority to limit the constitutional powers of a future Congress.
Kickbacks, that is how Sh!t like this gets passed.
Senators are like "I Better Get Goodies for my State!"-The Whole thing is a game, Lets make a deal, "How much Can I steal from Kansas and give to Kentucky?"
Sequester cuts will be negotiated away by the GOP Senate, Surely there are enough projects in GOP states that need funding to do in the Sequester cuts? And of course expect the Rats to offer some meaningless face saving "concessions" for eliminating the real Sequester savings.
More right that not
Though, my copy of the Constitution doesn’t say Congress can ‘give away’ any authority/power vested to it by We the People. That would require another Amendment. But, I’m sure, that’s just the crazy (L) in me.
Next up 30 million new Democrat voters, once that passes and it will, game, set, match.
I would like to believe that, but I can't. The last national election convinced me that adoption of all-out full-bore socialism has finally become the will of the the majority of American voters. How else can we explain the re-election of by far the most socialistic president in US history?
And to make matters even worse, there are at least 13 million illegals, probably far more, waiting in the wings to be granted citizenship and voting rights (with help of the GOP btw), and we all know which party and what type of government they will vote for. We may as well face the hard truth folks, America as we adults have known it is over and done with never to return without massive spillage of patriot's blood.
Who are you going to replace Cornyn with? And oh bye the way that is not going to matter after amnesty passes. Amnesty is the real battle and things are not looking good. The rats have the GOP divided and now they are going for the throat. And you talk about primarying Cornyn? Wake up and see the big picture! We will need Cornyn on our side to stop amnesty, running a candidate against him will do us no good in the big fight coming up almost immediately.
“We’re operating under sequestration now. It continues and there are automatic sequestration cuts in January that total 109 billion. “
Sequester is just a budgetary guideline until an appropriation is pass, with this deal the funds are higher than the sequester guidelines so for all intents and purposes sequester has been gutted. The only thing that will remain in effect is the defense cuts but the rest can be used for any bing Barry wants to go on.
You haven't read the legislative summary, have you? The sequester cuts remain in the current CR.
Yeah so you said, by walking the streets to get Cornyn unelected while the rest of us fight against amnesty. Way to go!
I thought they were really funny when I bought them. Now, not so much.
I believe it’s called stealth (sneaky) legislation. You know....the same kind we’ve had since Democrats took control in 2009 (you have to pass it to see what’s in it).
Pitchfork time YET?????
You know, if this provision is really in the bill, I’m not sure what difference it would make with the current Congress. They have demonstrated repeatedly that they will NEVER refuse to lift the debt ceiling anyway, because they don’t want to be seen as “defaulting” on our debt.
And they obviously don’t want to do the heavy lifting of educating the public on the truth — which is that under the 14th Amendment, we are obligated to pay our creditors no matter what, and we have more than enough revenue coming into the treasury to do so.
Bottom line — we need to replace the GOP leadership and a good number of congressmen and senators before we will see any real results.
Never been so angry in all my life, as I am at this moment.
“Such a plan would be obviously good for Democrats, as they can get the immediate gratification of not having to risk default in order to fully implement the Affordable Care Act. But it'd be good for Republicans too, who could not only avoid the stigma of blame for a default, but also presumably reap the ruling-party rewards in future Congresses and presidencies.”
Me Tooo! Me Tooooo! Me Tooooooooooo!
The gangrenous rot in Washington is making me retch and the republic is a stinking zombie corpse.
WE WANT A REAL BUDGET!!!!! Where is the budget?
McConnel is a traitor. He is a complete traitor. The people of Kentucky will ride his ass on a rail. This is madness. This is unconstitutional. We are spiraling down the toilet in total chaos. Protect your self— protect your family. This is going to get very ugly.
completely contradicts the spirt and letter of the Constitution, but this proposal fits the brand of leftism practiced by the GOPe like a glove.
i hope the house saw it and stripped it out...
How is this Constitutional? Congress must approve all spending. Borrowing money is spending.
Plan: File suit against this provision as unConstitutional.
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