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Obama health target: 500,000 signups by Oct. 31 [see it "slipping out of reach"]
Houston Chronicle ^ | Oct 17, 2013 | RICARDO ALONSO-ZALDIVAR

Posted on 10/17/2013 1:43:27 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

WASHINGTON (AP) — For the first month alone, the Obama administration projected that nearly a half million people would sign up for the new health insurance markets, according to an internal memo obtained by The Associated Press. But that was before the markets opened to a cascade of computer problems.

If the glitches persist and frustrated consumers give up trying, that initial goal, described as modest in the memo, could slip out of reach.

The Sept. 5 memo, for Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius, lists monthly enrollment targets for each state and Washington, D.C., through March 31, the last day of the initial open enrollment period under President Barack Obama's health care overhaul.

The new online insurance markets, called exchanges in some states, are supposed to be the portals to coverage for most of the nation's nearly 50 million uninsured people. Middle-class people without job-based coverage can shop for subsidized private plans, while low-income people are steered to an expanded version of Medicaid in states that have agreed to expand that safety net program.

(Excerpt) Read more at chron.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government
KEYWORDS: abortion; deathpanels; economy; healthcare; obamacare; zerocare
In the article it's reported that 50 million are uninsured, that's up from the 30 million number they used when they were selling this turkey.

Last time I saw about 1% who had tired, signed up - aprox 50K. Some states had none sign up.

Will those who "bought" the lie believe anything Obama/Reid/Pelosi pitch now? Stories around the net give a picture of shocked and angry customers.

High unemployment has swelled unemployment ranks, helped along by government actions to keep the economy struggling (no pipeline, EPA rules closing down businesses and jobs, Obamacare dictates moving people to part-time or being laid off, and business in limbo for years and not hiring).

A $500,000,000 "glitch" (the costs of Obamacare go FAR beyond the cost of their unworkable government web-site). People are beginning to believe they've been stymied on purpose - that the site was designed to be "glitchy" keeping high numbers of people in the dark about the increase in their premiums, out of pocket coss (and what it buys) and for the truly out-of-touch, that it isn't free.

There will be NO savings - there will be a HUGE increase in costs to the middle class - with fewer choices (and in the coming years inferior and rationed services - doled out by some bureaucrat in charge of your family's life and death decisions).

How long will "glitches" pass muster with the compliant Obama media?

It has been shown it's not what it was billed - "cheap, free, accessible."

It's almost certain that you will not keep your coverage and your doctor. And it's likely that you will not see a doctor at all by rather a physician's assistant.

Doctors are leaving in droves and their numbers are not being replaced, as students are not flocking into medicine.

Again, Obamanoid groups have been funneled taxpayer money (unions, Acorn, etc), this time to tout "exchanges" and navigate people into this system.

Now word of security concerns because personal Obamacare online accounts are sitting ducks for privacy thieves (government and non-government).

Obamacare controls a SIXTH of the U.S. economy - the largest bureaucracy in the world, and is enforced by the IRS.

What could possibly go wrong?

1 posted on 10/17/2013 1:43:28 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

They need one million a month just from people who don’t use it.


2 posted on 10/17/2013 1:48:20 AM PDT by Domangart
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
0bama and the Democrat-Socialist Party own the Affordable Care Act.
3 posted on 10/17/2013 1:50:11 AM PDT by windsorknot (>>>)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

This is the folly of all the Congresspeople who voted for it and did not stop it. What even most of them don’t seem to grasp is that Obama doesn’t care a thing about health care or a thing about jobs. He cares about draining the U.S. Treasury and getting a stranglehold over the lives of all Americans. It’s the Saul Alinsky Rules for Radicals strategy and methodology being carried out in front of our eyes and facilitated by an irresponsible Congress.


4 posted on 10/17/2013 1:50:13 AM PDT by Seeing More Clearly Now
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

5 posted on 10/17/2013 1:52:24 AM PDT by Daffynition (*In memory of FReeper Blackie. God rest his *Hooligan* soul.*)
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To: Domangart

That will be difficult since Obama has personally exempted so many favored groups and contributors....

A lot of people are going to sit back and see when the king is going to rule that they too are members of the favored class - until they aren’t members of the favored class, once private health care has become so crippled that all that is left is the medical hell Sebelius and her underlings have been building by filling in the blanks on the law that “you’ll know what’s in it once it passes.”


6 posted on 10/17/2013 1:54:56 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Daffynition

Obama's nurse Ratched.

7 posted on 10/17/2013 1:58:25 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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11 weeks out from Jan 1, and nobody knows WTF is going on!


8 posted on 10/17/2013 2:03:37 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: Daffynition

I’d rather have a full bottle in front of me than a full frontal lobotomy.


9 posted on 10/17/2013 2:04:50 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You can't invade the mainland US There'd be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: Gene Eric

“In Cincinnati on Wednesday, Sebelius urged Americans to keep coming back to healthcare.gov if they can’t get through. “Prices don’t change and the product doesn’t run out,” she said........................Starting in the new year, the health care law requires virtually all Americans to have insurance or face fines. “


10 posted on 10/17/2013 2:06:01 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

The architecture of the system is literally so flawed that there is no way to even verify the records of the exchanges, the insurers and the enrollees have the same information on file. The IRS cannot and I think will not start fining Americans for not having insurance if that would mean being forced to buy an obviously defective product.


11 posted on 10/17/2013 2:12:03 AM PDT by erlayman
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
I wonder how many people around the world are trying to sign up for Zerocare.
Of course they can get it if they just sneak across our borders.

I'll bet the farm they are going through every bit of information they have collected
and calling people in desperation of meeting that goal. Maybe even threatening them by
saying It's the law and you will be fined or jailed. Anything is possible with this Jerk.

12 posted on 10/17/2013 2:13:08 AM PDT by MaxMax (Pay Attention and you'll be pissed off too! FIRE BOEHNER, NOW!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Oct 31st? What year?


13 posted on 10/17/2013 2:15:30 AM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (What' the frequency, Kenneth?)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Bump


14 posted on 10/17/2013 2:15:46 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Expect a crisis to cover up the failure. I wonder how many times per day
the current WH refers to Americans as Stupid.
15 posted on 10/17/2013 2:18:04 AM PDT by MaxMax (Pay Attention and you'll be pissed off too! FIRE BOEHNER, NOW!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

That’s funny.

No it’s not b/c it’s true. ;(

I’m not sure anyone who is pleased with yesterday’s outcome has ANY idea what a trillion dollars looks like. Great graphic..........

http://demonocracy.info/infographics/usa/us_debt/us_debt.html


16 posted on 10/17/2013 2:18:06 AM PDT by Daffynition (*In memory of FReeper Blackie. God rest his *Hooligan* soul.*)
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To: erlayman; All

“..........The blogosphere is ripe with examples of sticker shock expressed by younger people who are for the first time seeing the actual truth of Hope and Change. Hardworking, productive young citizens finally are coming to the realization that such hope and change doesn’t include them.

What once seemed to be such an obviously simple solution to seeing that all Americans have health insurance has run up on the diamond-hard reality of economics: somebody has to pay. Guess what, all you young idealists who voted for Obama and supported national health care: he built it on your strong, young backs, and it is a burden you, the gradually aging healthy, will carry for decades until you finally become users of the services, which will by then likely be reduced to a skeleton of what you could have had before your liberal god destroyed the system.

[SNIP]

.............The feds, under the questionably competent Kathleen Sebelius, rolled out an internet interface that is laughably unworkable, financially punitive, and incapable of enrolling folks who face significant dollar penalties if not enrolled by the first of the year.

And to these incompetent federal fools Americans will willingly entrust their health care?

I don’t think so...but I sense that something big is coming from a populace so ill-served.”

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2013/10/the_affordable_care_act_rosemarys_baby.html


17 posted on 10/17/2013 2:20:33 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Daffynition

Thanks for that link. A picture is worth trillions and trillions of words.

About that Nurse Ratched-Sibelius pic. I found it on an old FR thread.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2860833/posts


18 posted on 10/17/2013 2:25:41 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I’m confused. I thought the administration said they didn’t know how many people are signing up. So are they lying about not knowing or are they lying about knowing the number of enrollments are gonna be short at the end of the month? Can’t have it both ways....oh wait, they’re democrats, now I’m no longer confused /sarc


19 posted on 10/17/2013 2:32:41 AM PDT by mikefive (RLTW)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
It's a perfect image for many reasons.


20 posted on 10/17/2013 2:42:29 AM PDT by Daffynition (*In memory of FReeper Blackie. God rest his *Hooligan* soul.*)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Your litany makes me sick to my stomach.

What saddens me the most, is that only a third of the country is paying attention, and I can't imagine that more than a third will ever get fighting mad about this.

21 posted on 10/17/2013 2:47:22 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Sebelius urged Americans to keep coming back to healthcare.gov if they can’t get through.

That's a great pitch, because people always flock back to non-functioning web sites.

22 posted on 10/17/2013 2:49:07 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
health insurance has run up on the diamond-hard reality of economics: somebody has to pay.

Unlike every other government program. Why did the Democraps make such a mistake? It's so out of character.

23 posted on 10/17/2013 2:52:15 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: Daffynition

Thanks for the image. It is more striking for some reason when you compare the numbers to a family’s income.


24 posted on 10/17/2013 3:29:03 AM PDT by FR_addict
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To: All

they’ll spend a trillion to make this happen.


25 posted on 10/17/2013 3:42:50 AM PDT by newnhdad (Our new motto: USA, it was fun while it lasted.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

The first time I went in to the site I was given cheaper premiums then the 2nd time I checked. Not doing it again. Don’t trust it!


26 posted on 10/17/2013 4:18:24 AM PDT by lilypad
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To: MaxMax

OMG - that’s a GOOD point. You could make up demographic information and hope that this dog’s breakfast of a system doesn’t catch you, and there’s at least a possibility it won’t. What’s to stop you, especially if you’re outside the US borders and cannot be penalized by US law. God, what a nightmare.


27 posted on 10/17/2013 4:19:52 AM PDT by Hardastarboard (You can keep your doctor - if you lock him in your basement.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

bump


28 posted on 10/17/2013 4:23:25 AM PDT by lowbridge
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

29 posted on 10/17/2013 4:29:17 AM PDT by Zakeet (Democrats haven't destroyed your freedoms ... you can still visit them at the Smithsonian)
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To: MaxMax

Fighting over amnesty will cover it up


30 posted on 10/17/2013 5:37:37 AM PDT by stanne
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To: Domangart
Can someone who understands 0bamacare help me out? As I understand it:

1. 0bamacare has doctors who have signed up to support 0bamacare. From this list of doctors 0bamacare has put together 'coverages'.
2. If I ever got logged onto the crappy website I'd have to provide reams of personal data and then choose one of their plans and take my chances on the doctors.
3. the gov't will subsidize the cost of my health plan, but my cost may be almost as high as it would be if I just contacted Health Insurers on my own.

Is this correct?

31 posted on 10/17/2013 5:38:43 AM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (Who but a TYRANT shoves down another man's throat what he has exempted himself from?)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

The entire uninsured line is a lie. There are approximately 15 million uninsured and they wanted to be uninsured.

Scott Atlas breaks it down:

Obama and the Democrats started out with the lie that 50 million people are uninsured, but if you look at the raw data (Census Bureau, etc.) you it’s not really 50 million people.

Of the 50 million about 10-15 million people are not U.S. citizens. That leaves 35-40 million people “uninsured”.

Next, take a look at the people who answered the U.S. Census Bureau survey and said they didn’t have health insurance, and about another 10 million or so that said they didn’t have insurance were using insurance. The Census Bureau went and looked, looked up and found medical records (.S. Census Bureau documents, Appendix C); these people had insurance that they were using, and mainly Medicaid. They just didn’t realize it. That lowers our number to 25-30 million “uninsured”.

Then there’s another 13 million adults and children of these 50 million people who actually are already eligible for public insurance: Medicaid, Medicare, and the Children’s Health Insurance Program (SCHIP or CHIP) that didn’t sign up, but are eligible. They simply haven’t used it.

That gets our number down to 12-17 million “uninsured”, many of which simply are too healthy and young to really need health insurance.

So, you are left with a population of less than 5% of people in the United States who don’t have insurance or who are not already eligible for current government insurance programs. I would not call that a crisis in the uninsured.

See here: http://www.econtalk.org/archives/2012/07/scott_atlas_on.html


32 posted on 10/17/2013 6:03:06 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

It’s all in the definition and wording!
Beware, this guy’s ideology springs from the father of lies!

What does “signups” mean?


33 posted on 10/17/2013 6:04:09 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas
Your litany makes me sick to my stomach. What saddens me the most, is that only a third of the country is paying attention, and I can't imagine that more than a third will ever get fighting mad about this.

My 4th point in outlining some of this mess had an incomplete thought because I misused one word for another (I make that change below in bold) - as I believe they have purposefully worked to make people unemployed - drive them into their socialist healthcare system and be one step closer to running every aspect of their lives.

"High unemployment has swelled the uninsured ranks, helped along by government actions to keep the economy struggling (no pipeline, EPA rules closing down businesses and jobs, Obamacare dictates moving people to part-time or being laid off, and business in limbo for years and not hiring).

_____

And as to the number who won't get up to speed on what is happening - the president and his party and his media will continue to demonize us (the ones who want all Americans to grow and prosper in all ways that make their lives better). If we were understood as being the people who want them to succeed (and along with them, the country and the world) Obama would lose his signature socialist program and the Left's long held dream and drive for total control would be pushed back.

To bury the truth, that it is the Left that is crippling these people, they will continue to scream that conservatives, the Tea Party, everyday hardworking Americans are greedy and racist and hateful (and they are teaching this poison to our children).

Obama and the Democrat Party are evil people to do this and then claim that they are helping so many "diverse" groups (groups they have divided the country into), when in fact they've put people into hyphenated boxes, to keep us UN-united, and leverage their power fanning hate and discontent between good people.

It's so very sick.

34 posted on 10/17/2013 6:15:27 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: 1010RD

The BIG Lie to enslave us.

The Left nurtures inner city blight and dysfunction - they must cripple people in order to make them beg for and depend on big government.


35 posted on 10/17/2013 6:30:23 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

just wait till they start getting fines and we’ll see the black community especially up in arms but even then they won’t get it that bozo cares nothing about them and has just used them.


36 posted on 10/17/2013 6:30:57 AM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Then feel free to cut and paste that info to your lists. We need to get this out there, because the MSM won’t.


37 posted on 10/17/2013 6:36:48 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: FR_addict
It's 4th grade math, fer heaven's sake?

What is wrong with these people? Put down your *smart* phones!


38 posted on 10/17/2013 6:40:28 AM PDT by Daffynition (*In memory of FReeper Blackie. God rest his *Hooligan* soul.*)
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To: Seeing More Clearly Now
This is the folly of all the Congresspeople who voted for it and did not stop it. What even most of them don’t seem to grasp is that Obama doesn’t care a thing about health care or a thing about jobs. He cares about draining the U.S. Treasury and getting a stranglehold over the lives of all Americans. It’s the Saul Alinsky Rules for Radicals strategy and methodology being carried out in front of our eyes and facilitated by an irresponsible Congress.

This bunch has shaken the country badly, causing rifts between families and friends, children and parents, rolled back race relations, you name it - they have done their best to destroy unity so that they can gain power.

39 posted on 10/17/2013 6:41:16 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: manc
just wait till they start getting fines and we’ll see the black community especially up in arms but even then they won’t get it that bozo cares nothing about them and has just used them.

Since this "plan" is in part to "re-distribute" wealth (and maintain a voting base that will vote money into their own pockets and into the Democrat party coffers) - there is certain to be bigger subsidies given to them.

40 posted on 10/17/2013 6:44:15 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Only “hundreds” have been able to sign up for a health care plan at the Obamacare websites. The Wall Street Journal reported:

Okay now we will try the landline # 1-800-318-2596 listed above or 1-800-318-2596 = 1-800-FAU-CKYO.


41 posted on 10/17/2013 7:08:11 AM PDT by Grampa Dave ( Boycott Reno & Las Vegas until those in control there, remove Reid from the senate!)
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To: Daffynition
Thanks, this is excellent. Those with at least 4th grade math skills, it is simple and easy to understand.


42 posted on 10/17/2013 7:16:54 AM PDT by Grampa Dave ( Boycott Reno & Las Vegas until those in control there, remove Reid from the senate!)
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Liberals suddenly realize
Obamacare stinks.

Let's finish this Thon quickly
so Jim can fully recover without
hosting the fundraiser for two months :)
Thank you!!
Hat tip Grampa Dave
43 posted on 10/17/2013 7:20:41 AM PDT by RedMDer (http://www.dontfundobamacare.com/)
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To: Daffynition

Perfect!


44 posted on 10/17/2013 7:30:10 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: The Sons of Liberty
Think it out. The first year is a guess. It looks like a dental plan with coverage above an amount each year, The intent of the plan is to cover the last three years of life where all the bills are. What is happening is all of the people who have existing conditions are signing up . The others desire to sit this one out They need seven million to sign up This will provide them with 15B with another 18B from other areas. Failure to meet these goals will require more money.
45 posted on 10/17/2013 10:33:57 AM PDT by Domangart
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To: Domangart
the people who have existing conditions are signing up

I despise 0bama and I think 0bamacare is pure socialism, but the ONE good thing about 0bamacare is that it requires Health Insurers to take people with existing conditions. In the past, you could pay for medical insurance for 50 years, but as soon as you used it, you had an "existing condition" and when renewal came, (if they haven't already canceled it) you couldn't get Health Insurance at any price. I know from firsthand experience. Now for 2014 you can sign up for Health Insurance through the normal channels, even if you have an existing condition. Initially, I was under the impression that everyone had to go through 0bama's exchange, but now that I know otherwise, I'm not sure why you would, unless it provides health insurance at a much cheaper rate.

46 posted on 10/17/2013 11:16:27 AM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (Who but a TYRANT shoves down another man's throat what he has exempted himself from?)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
From the article:Let's see. Today is Oct 17th, so there's 14 days left in October. Plus 30 days in November and 31 days in December. So there's 75 days left before Dec 31st.

3,300,000 divided by 75 is (OMG!) 44,000 people per day signing up.

Methinks Katherine is gonna be disappointed.

IDIOTS!

47 posted on 10/17/2013 11:36:20 AM PDT by upchuck (nobamacare must be stopped before it can live down to our expectations.)
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