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Was the Point Republicans Made in the Shutdown Worth the Price?
Wall Street Journal ^ | October 16, 2013 | Gerald F. Seib

Posted on 10/17/2013 2:47:59 AM PDT by lbryce

The Republican Party's tea-party adherents believe they made an important point by setting in motion the events that led to this month's government shutdown, ill-fated though that shutdown might have been.

The question they and the rest of their party now are left to ponder is this: Was the price paid worth the point made? That question, in fact, now lies at the heart of what figures to be a full-fledged struggle over the soul of the party, and over who really leads it.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: oneparty; republicans; rinostreeturinal; rulingclass; shutdown
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Sounds like a question only a Democrat would ask. If what you're doing is the morally upright thing there's never any need to ask such a dumb*ss question.

Even if all sorts of political situations were being played out, even if the Republicans did demonstrate political reasons for the shutdown that were not noteworthy, the bottom line is, no matter what the criminal Democrats and writers like this guy want to conjure up against the Republicans, forgetting all the rest of the bullsh!t, the Republicans were being apolitical in getting the government to shut down.

All the frenzied feigned scare-tactic histrionics the Democrats tried to put over Americans, the bottom line is that the Pusillanimous Pinhead of Profligacy had to be stopped, just only to make the point, for that alone it was worth it, Mr. Seib, as being admirable and moral, without question absolutely worth it.

1 posted on 10/17/2013 2:47:59 AM PDT by lbryce
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To: lbryce

The point made was worth it. Too bad that the house caved and let 0bama out of the shut down caused by Reid and 0bama.


2 posted on 10/17/2013 2:56:00 AM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (What' the frequency, Kenneth?)
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To: lbryce

Yes who is gonna lead the Democrat-Lite Party?


3 posted on 10/17/2013 2:56:09 AM PDT by vicar7 ("Polls are for strippers and cross-country skiers" Sarah Palin)
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To: lbryce

The House Republicans tried to save our nation.Their effort will be remembered in the future.


4 posted on 10/17/2013 2:57:58 AM PDT by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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To: Conspiracy Guy

Any time Evil is confronted, it is ‘worth’ it. The fact that the frailties of Republican Leadership once again showed its true mettle is also ‘worth’ it because it steels the resolve of true conservatives and it also tells real America there is a deep, deep problem - Right here in River City.


5 posted on 10/17/2013 2:58:16 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: lbryce
Sounds like a question only a Democrat would ask.

Or a WSJ Collaborator.

They're as bad as the NYT, now.

6 posted on 10/17/2013 2:58:47 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: lbryce

What point? In the end, Republicans caved as predicted and on schedule. Just another of a long list of embarrassments. There’s a lot of chatter going on about establishment Republicans being in bed with the Dem’s so to punish conservative and Tea Party members. Some say the objective is to purge the GOP of this segment. I say so be it. Let’s get on with the show. I support Conservatives and Tea Party members forming a third party. Some say if this should happen the Dem’s will never lose another presidency. So? We haven’t won since Reagan - even when we’ve won...


7 posted on 10/17/2013 3:01:54 AM PDT by snoringbear (E.oGovernment is the Pimp,)
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To: Conspiracy Guy

Right On! To Hell with the traitors


8 posted on 10/17/2013 3:02:07 AM PDT by ballplayer
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To: Gaffer

Very true.


9 posted on 10/17/2013 3:02:20 AM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (What' the frequency, Kenneth?)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

YES!!!!


10 posted on 10/17/2013 3:02:29 AM PDT by rrrod (at home in Medellin Colombia)
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To: lbryce
Was the Point Republicans Made in the Shutdown Worth the Price?

Mao Tse-Tsung once said, when asked about the results of the French Revolution, "too soon to tell".

We are not very good at the long game.

The "Tea Party" phenomenon rejects the status quo, because it dissolves the Constitution over the long run, and requires state socialism to rescue the government from its malpractice of the last 100 years. The 2010 election terrified the Republicans more than it did the Democrats.

We should not be surprised at the reaction. Elections will always favor preventing chaos.

The forces in power now will win, and win again, by promising an escape from the very chaos they are themselves creating. There is no going back, only forward.

Our job is to be ready to pick up the pieces, because it does not matter how many Obamacares and automatic debt increases the Democrat-GOP coalition passes, the result will be the same.

Alia iacta est. Vis pacem, para bellum.

11 posted on 10/17/2013 3:02:49 AM PDT by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: Candor7
The House Republicans tried to save our nation.Their effort will be remembered in the future.

Shouldn't that read, some of the House Republicans?

12 posted on 10/17/2013 3:03:59 AM PDT by JohnG45
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To: lbryce

As long as the shut down was in effect, republicNs were actually getting to tell their side of the story and they were scoring points against ocare and the left. People got to see the true petulant Obama and hear the arguments. They should have held the line and refined their rhetoric.


13 posted on 10/17/2013 3:06:27 AM PDT by ez (Muslims do not play well with others.)
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To: ballplayer

Those who voted in favor of giving 0bama everything he wanted are cowards and traitors. I would not want any of them on my side of a real fight. I’d find myself alone as soon as the first shot was fired. Not a Patriot among them.


14 posted on 10/17/2013 3:07:54 AM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (Last night, 10/16/13, the ailing republican party breathed its last breath.)
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To: lbryce

It was Obama that was willing to shut down payments to military and seniors if the house did not give him everything he demanded. How could the fail to make that point?


15 posted on 10/17/2013 3:08:15 AM PDT by ez (Muslims do not play well with others.)
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To: lbryce

It seems the values and principles that we learned were integral to American society become scarcer each day. Integrity, Homor, Duty. Punch lines from bad jokes. They are not. They are bedrock reality. As He said, “I AM the Truth.”. Lacking these no enterprise persists.

Just as bacteria resistant to the antibiotic persist on the plate after it is wiped clean of the rest, those of us who insist on these in our lives and interactions will persist “in the wrath to come”.


16 posted on 10/17/2013 3:08:59 AM PDT by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: lbryce

They needed to ram the lies being told by the liberal personalities that think the ACA is;

(1) Affordable
(2) Everyone in the US is signing up for it

I watched some dumbA$$ on Fox News while waiting for my kid in the dr’s office yesterday afternoon - argue with some bleach blond those 2 LIES above...he said knowing he was lying...I have direct figures - as all of us who do research on here have - that health care cost are rising 3 to 4 or more times - people have been cut in hours down to Part time (costing money for the individual) - they have no insurance - premiums are going up - everyone who does sign up for this illegal program will get coverage they don’t need - 1 blanket policy for everyone - the current health system is being destroyed - and the Conservative - instead of getting the truth out - instead of holding massive riots and holding the NEWS accountable for continuing the LIES — fold and say they will be back in JAN/FEB...while the rest of us have no job or a part job - looking at paying large amounts for a health care program that is going to fail - while not earning money and then paying more money out of pocket for a stupid federal run waste of time program!

It’s over people — thanks for coming to what was the US of A!


17 posted on 10/17/2013 3:11:27 AM PDT by BCW (Salva reipublicae)
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To: Candor7
The House Republicans tried to save our nation.Their effort will be remembered in the future.

For myself, every time I read an article about health costs rising, doctors leaving practice, long waiting lines, screwed up web sites, identities stolen by navigators, etc., I will think of the courage Ted Cruz and Mike Lee had to stand up and say: "The Emperor has no clothes." With a little help from us, others will as well. A simple means to make this point will be to just say: "Cruz was right."

In addition, my disgust with the media has reached new heights. Nothing but propaganda; even liberals are starting to see this.

18 posted on 10/17/2013 3:12:45 AM PDT by IamConservative (The soul of my lifes journey is Liberty!)
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To: lbryce
 
 
What made it worthy to me is that a lot of varmits got flushed out into the open, who staked out their adverse positions in front of everyone in broad daylight. We now know without a doubt who the enemies - as well as friends - are, so yeah, it was worth the effort.
 
 

19 posted on 10/17/2013 3:17:43 AM PDT by lapsus calami (What's that stink? Code Pink ! ! And their buddy Murtha, too!)
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To: lbryce

Long term, yes


20 posted on 10/17/2013 3:19:48 AM PDT by grania
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To: lbryce
"Sounds like a question only a Democrat would ask. If what you're doing is the morally upright thing there's never any need to ask such a dumb*ss question."

Agreed. The stupid RINOS that look at the polls will feel like they lost.

21 posted on 10/17/2013 3:22:35 AM PDT by DeaconRed (The TEA PARTY is my new party. Juan Mclaim and his Republican party can kiss my Grits.)
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To: ez
People got to see the true petulant Obama

Thats the point, even tho conservatives have always known it. Alot of Democrats got their eyes opened by the way the Democrats handled the shutdown and the non-leading of the POS in the White House. Not all Democrats are marching in lockstep with the party first mantra.

Now the full media light can move to the trainwreck known as Obamacare.
22 posted on 10/17/2013 3:23:32 AM PDT by ratzoe (damn, I miss Barbara Olson)
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To: lbryce

Rino Street Urinal


23 posted on 10/17/2013 3:26:43 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood ("Arjuna, why have you have dropped your bow???")
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To: lbryce

Seib is a liberal What do you expect?


24 posted on 10/17/2013 3:27:11 AM PDT by WashingtonSource
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25 posted on 10/17/2013 3:28:22 AM PDT by onyx (Please Support Free Republic - Donate Monthly! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, Let Me know!)
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To: IamConservative

26 posted on 10/17/2013 3:36:33 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood ("Arjuna, why have you have dropped your bow???")
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To: Candor7; All
The House Republicans tried to save our nation.Their effort will be remembered in the future.

Oh, so when the GOPe foist another rino up for prez you're gonna remember how house repubs caused a meaningless shutdown only allowed to last two weeks accomplishing absolutely nothing!?

When are people gonna wake up? Republicans are useless. They are run by rino's. Nothing is going to change until that changes.

27 posted on 10/17/2013 3:44:20 AM PDT by sirchtruth (Freedom is not free.)
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To: lbryce

The republican party could not even make the case that congress should not be exempt from ObamaRinoCare. Therefore, there is no republican party. It’s a dead party.


28 posted on 10/17/2013 3:47:02 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
 
 
Definitely reminds me of a relevant quote - "Stand up for what you believe in even if it means standing alone." - don't know who originally said it, just have seen it floating around from time to time.
 
 

29 posted on 10/17/2013 3:47:38 AM PDT by lapsus calami (What's that stink? Code Pink ! ! And their buddy Murtha, too!)
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To: Candor7
I like to think in military metaphors. There are losses that set the stage for greater victories by their courage, persistence, and by the losses---buth real and psychological---on the enemy.

Think Alamo (making San Jacinto possible), Isandlwana (making both Rorke's Drift and Ulundi possible), and Thermoalae (making Platea possible). Often the longer run (or even shorter run) results are hard to predict.

30 posted on 10/17/2013 3:49:17 AM PDT by LS ('Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually.' Hendrix)
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To: Conspiracy Guy

The shutdown revealed Obama’s true colors. He is vindictive, small minded, anti-Christian, and anti-American.


31 posted on 10/17/2013 3:50:03 AM PDT by abclily
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To: ratzoe

I agree. Any veterans who are Democrats have probably had their eyes opened to the anti-Americanism of this administration and the party that backs him. Likewise any rank-and-file Dems with seriously I’ll children whose opportunities for clinical trials were spiked by Harry Reid and company. Such things are not insignificant as the next election nears.


32 posted on 10/17/2013 3:56:24 AM PDT by william clark (Ecclesiastes 10:2)
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To: lbryce
Yes, it showed that there are some men and women of principle representing us.

And the rest are RATS and RAT-Lite (GOP).

I am finally convinced that it is time for a third party. The GOP is going the way of the Whigs.

33 posted on 10/17/2013 3:57:29 AM PDT by Redleg Duke ("Madison, Wisconsin is 30 square miles surrounded by reality.", L. S. Dryfus)
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To: lbryce

The point the GOP was trying to make is not as important as the fact that they went into this fight with the Democrats without the will to win it.


34 posted on 10/17/2013 3:57:30 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: onyx

Andrew’s quote is the only way to set things straight at this point. No more reach across the aisle cr@p.


35 posted on 10/17/2013 3:58:02 AM PDT by RedMDer (http://www.dontfundobamacare.com/)
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To: lbryce

Ted Cruz and few other worthy souls made a point. “Republicans” didn’t make any point at all.


36 posted on 10/17/2013 3:59:06 AM PDT by NewJerseyJoe (Rat mantra: "Facts are meaningless! You can use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!")
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To: lbryce

If obamacare is a success, it was not worth it.

However, based on that above statement I think it was well worth it. The next few months are going to be very interesting on the obamacare front.


37 posted on 10/17/2013 4:01:49 AM PDT by cuban leaf
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To: Jim Noble

Yesterday I picked up my first pistol and my first “big” rifle (Mossberg 30-06 with “plastic” stock and a nice scope).

It is about picking up the pieces and surviving to that point.


38 posted on 10/17/2013 4:03:39 AM PDT by cuban leaf
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To: lbryce

It was worth every penny. Last night, Rep. Renee Elmers was on FOX distancing herself from the Tea Party and any real support she can count on in North Carolina’s 2nd District. We put her in office, we can put someone else in next November.


39 posted on 10/17/2013 4:08:28 AM PDT by Dixie Yooper (Ephesians 6:11)
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To: RedMDer
Andrew’s quote is the only way to set things straight at this point. No more reach across the aisle cr@p.

I concur!

Idiot Republicans!

Do they EVER see democrats "reaching across the aisle" to THEM?

40 posted on 10/17/2013 4:13:26 AM PDT by onyx (Please Support Free Republic - Donate Monthly! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, Let Me know!)
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To: onyx

Yes. With corruption.


41 posted on 10/17/2013 4:18:29 AM PDT by Anton.Rutter
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To: lbryce

The Republicans stood to gain tremendously but the prospect of success scared them, they are so unused to it, so they, of course, threw it all away at the last minute and proudly accepted “blame” for the shutdown. They never made the economic arguments or much of any other arguments for the operation. They performed wonderfully well in their assigned tasks of boosting the Democrats chances in the upcoming elections, transferring the authority to control the debt limit to the Democrat President, and transferring the Origination of money bills to the Senate.


42 posted on 10/17/2013 4:32:39 AM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINEhttp://steshaw.org/economics-in-one-lesson/)
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To: abclily

We, the awake and aware, already knew that. With the MSM spin on this, we, the awake an aware, may have a slight increase in numbers. But no groundswell of added support. It is atrocious.


43 posted on 10/17/2013 4:34:26 AM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (Last night, 10/16/13, the ailing republican party breathed its last breath.)
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To: lbryce

Absolutely. Our “I told you so” moment is just around the corner.


44 posted on 10/17/2013 4:42:33 AM PDT by jersey117
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To: lbryce

NO — because what we got in the end was worse.


45 posted on 10/17/2013 4:42:53 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: lbryce

When Murdock bought the WSJ, many if us thought it would be a breath of fresh air, how wrong we were. Even the NY Post, also Murdock owned, has shifted to the left, as has the Fox network.


46 posted on 10/17/2013 4:43:13 AM PDT by kenmcg (scapegoat)
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To: lbryce

Obama and Reid caused the shutdown. I guess among the Gop elited and Dems it’s “settled science” that Republicans are to blame.


47 posted on 10/17/2013 4:48:02 AM PDT by machogirl (First they came for my tagline)
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To: lbryce
What point?!? We got nothing because Boehner surrendered.

Cruz ascended to the leadership role, Lee stood tall, and boney folded like a wet towel.

NOTHING?!? They had the support they needed, they had the tools and boney capitulated like it was nothing.

IMHO, the nature of the capitulation was an attempt to slapdown Senator Cruz.

FAIL!

Oh, and we know about the RINO earmarks... FURINO!!!

48 posted on 10/17/2013 4:51:26 AM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: jersey117

Absolutely. Our “I told you so” moment is just around the corner.


I’m thinking the same thing. As more and more people are told that their existing policy is being replaced by a policy with much higher premiums and deductibles, they are going to remember the Congressmen who fought against Obamacare.


49 posted on 10/17/2013 4:52:23 AM PDT by rwa265 (Compete well for the faith, lay hold of eternal life (1 Timothy 6))
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To: lbryce
Was the Point Republicans Cruz Made in the Shutdown Worth the Price?

For Cruz, Hell Yes. The rest of the Republicans can Go To Hell.

50 posted on 10/17/2013 4:53:33 AM PDT by dfwgator
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