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Right-wing nuts nab new way to sabotage Obamacare
Salon ^ | 17 Oct 2013 | By David Dayen

Posted on 10/17/2013 5:07:52 AM PDT by 11th_VA

The final deal to avert a breach of the debt limit and end the government shutdown included what has been described as a “small concession” to Republicans: tightening the income verification measures for customers on the Obamacare insurance exchanges to qualify for subsidies. But considering the hurdles associated with this step – and the enormous IT problems we’ve already seen with the exchanges – the concession may not be small at all.

As one prominent health care expert tells Salon, the impact could contribute to an attempted sabotage of the law by those who want to see it repealed. Rather than letting the health care law survive “unscathed,” the income verification piece could trigger a new round of headaches for Obamacare, and this time, Republicans – and the country – will be paying attention.

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Starr’s perspective is borne by the early experience of the exchanges. The federal exchange, which is the Obamacare portal for customers in 34 states, has performed very badly in the opening weeks. Even supporters of the law like the Washington Post’s Ezra Klein has called the rollout a disaster. Not only have potential customers been unable to register for the program after 20 or 30 attempts, those few who have been successful aren’t having their data transferred to insurance companies properly.

“Things are worse behind the curtain than in front of it,” according to health care writer Bob Laszlewski, describing how the system is enrolling and unenrolling customers seemingly at random. If HHS can’t approve subsidies until the Inspector General decides income verification is operational, that would definitely delay subsidies – nothing is operational about the federal exchanges right now.

And you have to question whether income verification would ever be operational, and if that’s contributing to the major delays on the exchange website...

(Excerpt) Read more at salon.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; Political Humor/Cartoons
KEYWORDS: 0carenightmare; debtceilingdeal; dnctalkingpoints; gopcaved; income; incomeverification; obamacare; verification
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1 posted on 10/17/2013 5:07:52 AM PDT by 11th_VA
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To: 11th_VA

....does he mean by letting it proceed? I mean, we;ve done that now.....


2 posted on 10/17/2013 5:09:08 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: 11th_VA

Right-wing nuts...

LOL. Guess that means us.

3 posted on 10/17/2013 5:13:45 AM PDT by McGruff (Conservatives are sure catching a lot of flak lately. Wonder why?)
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To: 11th_VA

The best thing Republicans can do know is leave Obamacare alone. Let it implode, let the people see what a disaster it is, and let them feel the pain.

Yes, it means we have to feel the pain too and we have to suffer the onerous beast, but in the end Republicans can stand back as the 2016 elections roll around and say “See, we told you what would happen, now elect us and let us fix it.”


4 posted on 10/17/2013 5:14:17 AM PDT by commish (The takers rule. Time to implement the triple G plan - GOD, GUNS, & GOLD)
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To: 11th_VA
the income verification piece could trigger a new round of headaches for Obamacare

Evil conservatives won't let us commit fraud at will.
5 posted on 10/17/2013 5:14:53 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: McGruff

Sometimes you feel like a nut, sometimes you don’t...


6 posted on 10/17/2013 5:15:18 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: commish
“See, we told you what would happen, now elect us and let us fix it.”

Like social security?
7 posted on 10/17/2013 5:15:36 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: 11th_VA
Libs oppose verification for two reasons:
1. Verification will expose illegal immigrants signing up to get 0bamacare and
2. Verification will expose fat cats getting subsidies they don't deserve.
8 posted on 10/17/2013 5:16:49 AM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (Who but a TYRANT shoves down another man's throat what he has exempted himself from?)
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To: 11th_VA

So is this a setup to blame conservatives for why Obamacare is imploding?


9 posted on 10/17/2013 5:18:44 AM PDT by Drawsing (Fools show their annoyance at once, the prudent man overlooks an insult. Proverbs 12:16)
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To: 11th_VA

I got your ‘right wing nuts’, right HERE!

no really...literally.


10 posted on 10/17/2013 5:20:21 AM PDT by Vaquero ( Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: commish
the best thing 'pubs can do now is leave Obamacare alone

What Rubio did, getting in front of the rollout of Obamacare was brilliant. Now there's no question, Obama owns Obamacare.

A person smarter than Obama would've compromised with the 'pubs and delayed the mandate. Now Obama can't get away with saying he wasn't aware of the problems or blame anyone else.

11 posted on 10/17/2013 5:21:22 AM PDT by grania
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To: 11th_VA

Income verification is required for any other service or commodity, why not health care?


12 posted on 10/17/2013 5:21:57 AM PDT by caver (Obama: Home of the Whopper)
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To: cripplecreek

On the other hand, King Hussein Obama will just waive the requirement.


13 posted on 10/17/2013 5:22:41 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: 11th_VA

Verifying income is an attempt to kill Obamacare? Only a liberal would say that. If this program was run correctly, verifying income is what would make it work....sort of like a bank verifying income before making a loan.....so a loan program could stay viable

The problem is, even now income is not going to be verified. The feds will eventually just start giving the healthcare policies away...my prediction....to anyone who logs on (Laws be damn!!!). Eventually, the Dems will scream we need to raise everyones taxes 50% to pay for national healthcare....or don’t you love babies, grandma, and minorites? It’s that simple and we all know it.


14 posted on 10/17/2013 5:23:31 AM PDT by Mustangman (The GOP)
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To: grania
What Rubio did, getting in front of the rollout of Obamacare was brilliant. Now there's no question, Obama owns Obamacare.

Totally agree - Now he needs to run away from Amnesty ...

15 posted on 10/17/2013 5:23:57 AM PDT by 11th_VA (I want a president who won't enforce tax laws ...)
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To: caver

Thinking about your “why not” question leads me to parallel it with the “why not” of valid ID to vote. They intend to commit and promote fraud in both systems.


16 posted on 10/17/2013 5:24:01 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: grania

Actually, now Mitch McConnell owns obamacare. Ted Cruz defeated obamacare before he was stabbed in the back by the Republican Party.


17 posted on 10/17/2013 5:25:02 AM PDT by sport
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To: commish

Just as likely the RATS will convince people that it’s the evil insurance companies fault, and vote to let the government skip the middle men and give everybody “free” health care.


18 posted on 10/17/2013 5:25:36 AM PDT by Hugin
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To: 11th_VA

How much longer will the left-wing nuts defend 0bamacare?


19 posted on 10/17/2013 5:27:32 AM PDT by windsorknot (>>>)
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To: MrB

Very true.


20 posted on 10/17/2013 5:29:40 AM PDT by caver (Obama: Home of the Whopper)
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To: 11th_VA

There’s no need to “sabotage” Obamacare. Just hold it to the letter of the law, because it’s completely untenable as written.

No revisions. No “technical corrections”. No administrative decisions or changing things via regulation.

Then just sit back and watch it implode, while saying “I told you so”.

Income verification is one of these. Another can be seen in a court case Oklahoma has brought against the law saying that federal exchanges do not qualify for subsidies because the law doesn’t specify that they do. And it wasn’t an accidental omission, either - I remember this from the original discussion - because the subsidy for federal exchanges was explicitly not added to keep the CBO-projected cost under the magic $1T threshold.


21 posted on 10/17/2013 5:30:14 AM PDT by kevkrom (It's not "immigration reform", it's an "amnesty bill". Take back the language!)
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To: kevkrom
"implode"

I would bet a very sizable percentage of the under 30 crowd (the ones who love Obama the most) are completely unaware of the requirements of the ACA. When they find out, they won't believe it. Of course, Obama wants Obamacare to fail so all his minions will start begging for that single-payer plan Obama and the leftists really want.

22 posted on 10/17/2013 5:34:00 AM PDT by driftless2
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To: 11th_VA

David wants the same income and eligibility requirements used for Obamacare as that of SNAP, WICs, TANF, EITC, Section 8, et al. NOTHING. Same as for a Democrat voter’s eligibility. NOTHING....


23 posted on 10/17/2013 5:34:31 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: MrB

He knows whats best for everyone after all.


24 posted on 10/17/2013 5:39:37 AM PDT by wiggen (The teacher card. When the racism card just won't work.)
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To: Mustangman
Verifying income is an attempt to kill Obamacare? Only a liberal would say that.

Just like they say that verifying identity at the polls is racist when the really mean it dis-enables their fraud.

25 posted on 10/17/2013 5:46:16 AM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed & water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: 11th_VA

The author is presuming that Obama is actually going to comply with the law, which he has given absolutely no indication that he is willing to do throughout his entire Presidency.


26 posted on 10/17/2013 5:55:51 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: commish

An Executive Order will be issued to extend the deadline and for any other issue that needs time and space for its implementation and they will be issued “as the law didn’t anticipate the enormity of the task of rolling this out.

Watch.


27 posted on 10/17/2013 5:57:09 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: 11th_VA

Glad they see it this way, but sadly, no, this “concession” did not even amount to a fig leaf of respectability.


28 posted on 10/17/2013 6:08:31 AM PDT by LS ('Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually.' Hendrix)
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To: grania
What Rubio did, getting in front of the rollout of Obamacare was brilliant. Now there's no question, Obama owns Obamacare.

What did Rubio do?

29 posted on 10/17/2013 6:17:48 AM PDT by montag813 (NO AMNESTY * ENFORCE THE LAW * http://StandWithArizona.com)
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To: 11th_VA

Verifying income is considered ‘sabotage’ these days? Next they’ll be telling us that freedom is slavery and ignorance is strength. Oh wait . . .


30 posted on 10/17/2013 6:21:16 AM PDT by Hoodat (BENGHAZI - 4 KILLED, 2 MIA)
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To: commish

The problem with this tactic is the 51%-49% rule.

If the moochers who pay zero to nothing in outnumber the ones who get fleeced to pay for it, it will never go away. The moochers will outvote us.

Just like taxes.


31 posted on 10/17/2013 6:39:24 AM PDT by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: 11th_VA

Yeah, the same nuts who want people to show ID to vote, and only let actual citizens get welfare,want to verify if you really qualify for free open heart surgery!!! Nuts and freaks!!


32 posted on 10/17/2013 6:43:08 AM PDT by Yaelle
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To: montag813
What did Rubio do/

Sorry, I meant to say Cruz. But I also like what Rubio did. After his horrible misstep on immigration and being lower than dirt with conservatives, he din't fall in line with the RINOs. He stood with Cruz and Lee, against Obamacare, during the 21 hours. His vote has been solid.

I think Rubio made two awful mistakes. The first was getting played horribly by McCain and Schummer. The second was not having a handle about how strongly US citizens feel about people who are in the US illegally. Rubio didn't do what Flake and Ayotte did, which was to become minimccains and sabotage conservatives. So I think Rubio did the correct thing, and we have enough total turncoats to despise, so I'm willing to let Rubio learn from his missteps.

33 posted on 10/17/2013 6:44:31 AM PDT by grania
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To: 11th_VA

Salon is a White House Spokesman.


34 posted on 10/17/2013 6:45:53 AM PDT by AppyPappy (Obama: What did I not know and when did I not know it?)
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To: 11th_VA

I’m sure the conference committee will remove this provision. The liberals of both parties will not let it stand.


35 posted on 10/17/2013 6:46:17 AM PDT by Daveinyork (IER)
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To: sport

Mitch McConnell fought tooth and nail against Obamcare before Cruz was even in the Senate.


36 posted on 10/17/2013 6:46:58 AM PDT by Blackirish
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To: driftless2

What’s going to be ‘fun’ is when their ‘savings accounts’ for vacations, appliances, fun stuff etc. i.e. their tax refunds, start disappearing because they either didn’t know they had to sign up or just said ‘forgeddaboutit’.


37 posted on 10/17/2013 6:50:43 AM PDT by MissMagnolia (You see, truth always resides wherever brave men still have ammunition. I pick truth. (John Ransom))
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To: McGruff

As opposed to all the left-wing nuts and moonbats on Salon.....


38 posted on 10/17/2013 6:52:31 AM PDT by july4thfreedomfoundation (The Second Amendment makes all the other amendments possible)
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To: commish
The best thing Republicans can do know is leave Obamacare alone. Let it implode, let the people see what a disaster it is, and let them feel the pain.

I respectfully disagree. While it is unquestionable that Obama and his party TRULY own Obamacare, the implosion, if and when it occurs, will be owned by the Republicans, so sayeth the mainstream media and left-controlled websites. The low-information voter will believe as they are told, that the reason for all the Obamacare trouble is the result of X Y and Z that the Republicans have done to block implementation.

39 posted on 10/17/2013 6:58:51 AM PDT by GreenAccord (Bacon Akbar)
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To: driftless2
I would bet a very sizable percentage of the under 30 crowd (the ones who love Obama the most) are completely unaware of the requirements of the ACA.

Why do you think parents are supposed to insure their kids into their mid twenties? (So the youth vote will remain unaware of the cost, etc.).

40 posted on 10/17/2013 7:05:49 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: commish

NO!!!

They don’t run on how they will fix it...

They need to repeal this tax, and restore the healthcare industry (in this country) back to before the Affordable Care Act (tax) was enacted...

Period...


41 posted on 10/17/2013 7:12:00 AM PDT by stevie_d_64 (It's not the color of one's skin that offends people...it's how thin it is.)
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To: 11th_VA

42 posted on 10/17/2013 7:13:47 AM PDT by Daffynition (*In memory of FReeper Blackie. God rest his *Hooligan* soul.*)
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To: commish
The best thing Republicans can do know is leave Obamacare alone. Let it implode, let the people see what a disaster it is, and let them feel the pain.

Flashback to 1992: "The best thing Republicans can do now is let Bill Clinton get elected. That'll teach 'em."

Flashback to 2008: "The best thing Republicans can do now is let Barack Hussein Obama get elected. That'll teach 'em."

NO!

It is PAST TIME to fight back. PAST TIME.

And if the mousey Republicans won't do it, somebody else better.

43 posted on 10/17/2013 7:19:17 AM PDT by backwoods-engineer (Blog: www.BackwoodsEngineer.com)
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To: 11th_VA

Socialist playbook: When a socialist scheme blows up because the entire concept is an utter failure, that has failed everywhere it was tried, complain:

1) It was underfunded.
2) It was sabotaged.
3) It only works if it is universal, with no competition.
4) (total denial mode) It did work, and perfectly.


44 posted on 10/17/2013 7:46:12 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Welfare is the new euphemism for Eugenics.)
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To: caver

Next thing you know those crazy tea party wacko birds will want ID to vote!


45 posted on 10/17/2013 8:00:30 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad & lived with his parents most his life.)
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To: kevkrom

Passing the Vitter Amendment would have been more evil trickeration.

Instead the GOPe made sure their little underlings got subsidized.


46 posted on 10/17/2013 8:03:12 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad & lived with his parents most his life.)
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To: Blackirish

Did he vote for cloture?


47 posted on 10/17/2013 8:09:12 AM PDT by sport
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To: Smokin' Joe
Why do you think parents are supposed to insure their kids into their mid twenties? (So the youth vote will remain unaware of the cost, etc.).

Exactly right. Youth will continue to vote for candidates and policies that make them "feel good" without having to bear the consequences of their vote.

48 posted on 10/17/2013 8:10:25 AM PDT by informavoracious (Of course I want people to have healthcare, I just didn't know I was the one who would be paying...)
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To: TurboZamboni

Somehow, in the twisted mind of the left, preventing fraud is a bad thing.


49 posted on 10/17/2013 8:10:31 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: The Sons of Liberty

1. I’m pretty sure that illegal immigrants are fine with the current system of not having health insurance and just going to the ER when needed (unless EMTLA has been repealed, which I’m pretty sure it has not been).
2. The “fat cats” typically have private insurance through work or that they contract on their own that will more than meet the ACA minimum.


50 posted on 10/17/2013 8:14:18 AM PDT by SouthParkRepublican
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