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Schumer: Dems Got Everything They Wanted; Republicans Got ‘A Fig Leaf’
Cybercast News Service ^ | October 17, 2013 - 8:51 AM | Susan Jones

Posted on 10/17/2013 7:00:24 AM PDT by Olog-hai

The bipartisan deal to reopen the government and temporarily lift the debt ceiling includes one small Obamacare element—a provision that says people’s incomes must be verified before they can get Obamacare subsidies to help pay their insurance premiums.

But this was not a concession to Republicans, Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) told CNN’s Jake Tapper on Wednesday.

“It’s, you know, it is, frankly, a bit of a fig leaf, which we were happy to give, but that was not a negotiation. That was not what Ted Cruz and the others started to demand that we give them.” …

(Excerpt) Read more at cnsnews.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; News/Current Events; US: District of Columbia
KEYWORDS: chuckschumer; debtceiling; fiscalcliff; gopcaved; obamacare
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1 posted on 10/17/2013 7:00:24 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

Chuck, you prick. Everyone knows this is true, but you’re not supposed to rub it in our faces.


2 posted on 10/17/2013 7:01:05 AM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: Pearls Before Swine

Watch Schmucky howl when the 2014 sequester cuts kick in.


3 posted on 10/17/2013 7:02:17 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad & lived with his parents most his life.)
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To: Olog-hai

What goes around comes around you friggin socialist pig.


4 posted on 10/17/2013 7:03:27 AM PDT by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal the 16th Amendment)
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To: Olog-hai
Dear Chuck....You think the vets still love you??

And so far, we've heard nothing but bad things about Obamacare.

And as a reminder, Excellus of New York State has dropped it's Medicaid policies....about 100,000 New Yorkers.

5 posted on 10/17/2013 7:04:10 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Olog-hai

Good thing for the GOPe’s like Boner and McConnell that the tiny fig leaf is ample enough to cover their pathetic manhoods....


6 posted on 10/17/2013 7:04:18 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: Olog-hai

A fig leaf? I think the Republicans, with a few exceptions got a fig tree shoved up where the sun don’t shine.


7 posted on 10/17/2013 7:05:42 AM PDT by trubolotta
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To: Olog-hai

Fig leaf?
WHAT fig leaf?
I don’ see no steeeeeenking fig leaf.


8 posted on 10/17/2013 7:07:05 AM PDT by Flintlock ("The redcoats are coming" -- TO SEIZE OUR GUNS!!--Paul Revere)
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To: Olog-hai

Chuckie’s statment just weakens the position of the establishment Repubs like Boehner and McCain because it confirms everything the Tea Party has been saying. The GOPe crowd is willing to give the Dems everything they want and get nothing in return. When push comes to shove they will always fold. Schumer isn’t that bright and crowing like this only helps the Tea Pary in the long run by vindicating everything they’ve been saying.


9 posted on 10/17/2013 7:08:21 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: Olog-hai

Chucky owes his two little pixies, Juan McCain and Linda Graham a big, wet smooch! They done good.


10 posted on 10/17/2013 7:08:55 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (The Constitution is obsolete only if you see Mein Kampf or the Communist Manifesto as a replacement.)
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To: Olog-hai
“[Income verification in order to qualify for subsidies], you know, it is, frankly, a bit of a fig leaf...

It is very seldom that I find myself nodding in agreement with the senior senator from New York; but it is very hard to avoid doing so here...

11 posted on 10/17/2013 7:10:06 AM PDT by AmericanExceptionalist (Democrats believe in discussing the full spectrum of ideas, all the way from far left to center-left)
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To: Olog-hai

The Republican party died yesterday.


12 posted on 10/17/2013 7:10:26 AM PDT by Proud2BeRight
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To: Olog-hai

D’amato was right about him.


13 posted on 10/17/2013 7:10:40 AM PDT by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free..... Even robots will kill for it!)
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To: Olog-hai

14 posted on 10/17/2013 7:11:34 AM PDT by Daffynition (*In memory of FReeper Blackie. God rest his *Hooligan* soul.*)
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To: FlingWingFlyer
When My congressman chooses to side with the people who didn't vote for him he made it completely clear that the gop does not represent my views. He in essence threw away his base of voters.
15 posted on 10/17/2013 7:11:56 AM PDT by jimpick
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To: Olog-hai

I read today that negotiations over an (gasp) ACTUAL BUDGET were part of that “fig leaf”. The battle continues.


16 posted on 10/17/2013 7:13:02 AM PDT by jdsteel (Give me freedom, not more government.)
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To: Olog-hai

Take a lesson, Rubio. Stay away from this guy on immigration.


17 posted on 10/17/2013 7:14:20 AM PDT by Paine in the Neck (Is John's moustache long enough YET?)
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To: Olog-hai

I have real hatred for RATS and their enablers....


18 posted on 10/17/2013 7:14:35 AM PDT by rrrod (at home in Medellin Colombia)
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To: Olog-hai

And the good news is, with the blatant defeat of the GOP, the TEA Party becomes the more viable alternative.


19 posted on 10/17/2013 7:15:11 AM PDT by RideForever
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To: Olog-hai

They own it. 110%.


20 posted on 10/17/2013 7:16:54 AM PDT by bigbob
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To: Olog-hai

What did the GOP idiots expect from these National Socialist Democrats? Of course they are going to rub in your face, shove it up your asses, make sure everyone knows that you are all weak, spineless dumbasses who do not represent in any way the interests and needs of the people who elected them.

They’ve all got their obamacare cutouts at our expense as well as a guaranteed lifestyle of the nobility that they’ve given themselves at our expense.


21 posted on 10/17/2013 7:17:10 AM PDT by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: Paine in the Neck
"Take a lesson, Rubio. Stay away from this guy on immigration."

Very good advice. If Rubio ignores it you just know what Chuckie's next statment will be: "Rubio gave us everything we wanted on amnesty and we gave up nothing".

22 posted on 10/17/2013 7:18:31 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: jdsteel

You mean the budget they’re required BY LAW to produce?

This was no “compromise,” it was capitulation.

In compromise, each side receives concessions. The GOP got jack squat. This weakens any future negotiation position the GOP had.

When you bring nothing to the table, what’s the opposition’s incentive to negotiate?

Welcome to the permanent minority status folks, you’ve earned it.


23 posted on 10/17/2013 7:19:54 AM PDT by MDspinboyredux
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To: Olog-hai
Republicans? who are they? Oh wait wasn't that another political party way,way,way back in the day when the country had at least two parties to vote for instead of a endless dog and pony show with pretend representation and principals?
24 posted on 10/17/2013 7:20:45 AM PDT by johnny reb (When in the course of human events.....)
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To: Olog-hai

The Democrats won the battle but the American people will be the eventual losers of this economic war. We’re toast folks unless a significant number of Americans wake out of their hope and change induced trance. I’m watching the MSM and they’re acting like it’s Christmas Day and nirvana has been unleashed across the land. We just added another trillion dollars of debt and the government is on its way to destroying private medical insurance in this country. I have a very empty feeling inside knowing that most Americans are just standing by and letting the country just fall off an economic cliff.


25 posted on 10/17/2013 7:21:13 AM PDT by dowcaet
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To: Olog-hai
I'm not gullible enough to say the Republicans won by any stretch of the imagination but they may have accidentally stumbled on to a "fig leaf" that, in the long run, could end up doing far more damage to Obamacare than they, the democrats, or Obama believe.

Word is that insurance companies are NOT happy with the new provision that requires them to verify income and eligibility before they can issue a policy. The insurance companies were the ones that had petitioned Obama to postpone the verification requirements in the first place. The reason being is that there is currently no simple "one stop" system in place for them to do the verifications. Since the onus is now on the companies to obtain information to verify eligibility, they will be on the hook if they issue a policy without doing so.

So how will this hurt Obamacare as a whole? It will add another layer of bureaucracy to an already obtuse and convoluted system and make it even harder for people to sign up than it is now. It will also create delays as the insurance companies must verify eligibility before they can issue the policy. Last, it could very well drive some insurance providers out of the exchanges altogether and keep others from joining (participation is already very low with some states only having a single company).

26 posted on 10/17/2013 7:21:53 AM PDT by apillar
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To: Pearls Before Swine

No, I want him and the rest to rub it in. I want them to force that sh*t sandwich between the clenched teeth of Congress. I want the GOP-e in Congress to be loudly and publicly humiliated at every possible moment. Either they’ll roll ober and take it, or they’ll have enough vestiges of pride to find their backbone. I don’t count on the latter, so at least I’ll have the fun of watching them squirm as the ‘rats humiliate and beat like whipped dogs, their “friends across the aisle”. They earned it.


27 posted on 10/17/2013 7:22:30 AM PDT by mrsmel (One Who Can See)
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To: apillar

A leftie in another article was complaining that this was “sabotage” because, with all the existing technical challenges in the website, this one more thing would be currently impossible to implement.


28 posted on 10/17/2013 7:23:06 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Pearls Before Swine

As if he cares now? The Republic is done. We are now a “Social Democracy” and upChuck Schumer is part of the ruling class. From here to the end of my life my job is to work for the benefit of others, and die when my usefulness is finished.


29 posted on 10/17/2013 7:23:46 AM PDT by SkiKnee
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To: bigbob
Yes sir, and when the crap hits the fan they can't blame the Tea Party Republicans........
When reality finally hits ? they will be cornered.
30 posted on 10/17/2013 7:24:09 AM PDT by American Constitutionalist
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To: Olog-hai

No chit ... and look at them gloat. RNC is dead to me.


31 posted on 10/17/2013 7:24:29 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (Occupy the DC Mall - take back the monuments)
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To: Olog-hai

Hate to say it...but Schmucky is not wrong.


32 posted on 10/17/2013 7:26:42 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Olog-hai

Since they wanted to lift the sequester, they didn’t REALLY get everything they wanted. They DID end up with the bill they originally agreed to back on September 30th, with a small change.

Which should REALLY get an unbiased press to ask — why didn’t Reid bargain with McConnell in September for this deal? Why did he wait until 2 weeks of shutdown.

Anyway, this wasn’t really a bargain, it was surrender terms. We didn’t really bargain away anything. That’s like saying the Japanese “bargained” badly at the end of WW2.

We lost the war. But just remember — Texas LOST at the Alamo as well. But that doesn’t mean the Alamo was a senseless fight.


33 posted on 10/17/2013 7:27:11 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: AmericanExceptionalist

“[Income verification in order to qualify for subsidies], you know, it is, frankly, a bit of a fig leaf...
It is very seldom that I find myself nodding in agreement with the senior senator from New York; but it is very hard to avoid doing so here...


It won’t stop anything. Just like the current welfare crop rolling around in escalades with 10,000 bucks worth of wheels on um.


34 posted on 10/17/2013 7:27:34 AM PDT by cableguymn (The founding fathers would be shooting by now..)
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To: Paine in the Neck

That is actually another thing we “won”. Given this fight, it is much more likely that the moderates will not take a chance with immigration reform, because the tea party has proven that it has the power to influence the house.


35 posted on 10/17/2013 7:29:13 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Olog-hai

he’s right, because checking income before giving ppl subsidizes was already part of obamacare. So basically GOP got what was already law


36 posted on 10/17/2013 7:29:34 AM PDT by 4rcane
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To: C. Edmund Wright

And the bill includes a $2bil kickback to McConnell’s home state to help him get re-elected and continue working for 0bama. These people are shameless.


37 posted on 10/17/2013 7:32:11 AM PDT by privatedrive
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To: Olog-hai

Karma’s gonna get you Schumer. I am curious about your business with Mexico and their drugs.


38 posted on 10/17/2013 7:32:42 AM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: Olog-hai
Thatcher's "Ratchet Effect" worked once again. America moves ever leftward and only occasionally stops, but never moves back to the right.

We haven't had a real conservative as president since Reagan who left office 25 years ago. Bush I got into office because the Dems ran the worst candidate in history, Michael Dukakis. Bush II got into office by lying and telling everyone he was a "compassionate conservative". He governed like a mushy moderate and rapidly moved us toward bankruptcy.

Now the GOP holds the House but cannot hold the line on spending. Gee, I wonder why?

It's because we are being crushed in the vice of a Hegelian dialectic. The Dems and the GOP are on the same team and working toward the same goal - complete control. If you control both teams, you always win. Those who whine that we can't have a third party don't understand that a third party would actually be a second party.

If we stick with the current political landscape, we lose America and our freedom. Take the red pill and wake up.

39 posted on 10/17/2013 7:34:10 AM PDT by Dr. Thorne ("How long, O Lord, holy and true?" - Rev. 6:10)
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To: Olog-hai

Guess what Chuckie..... YOU OWN IT ALL - LOCK,STOCK, AND BARREL.


40 posted on 10/17/2013 7:35:10 AM PDT by jersey117
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To: Dr. Thorne

Yes the ratchet effect is in full force. I have been screaming about that here on FR for years, but every time a new issue comes up, it’s like history began this morning.


41 posted on 10/17/2013 7:36:22 AM PDT by mrsmel (One Who Can See)
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To: jersey117

Can you imagine how good Ted Cruz is going to look after 3 or 6 more months of the Obamacare uber-fail? He’ll be the ONLY guy who can stand up and say “I tried to stop it”.


42 posted on 10/17/2013 7:39:02 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: CharlesWayneCT

Texas LOST at the Alamo as well. But that doesn’t mean the Alamo was a senseless fight.


Wait’ll the dumbasses realize they can’t afford Christmas this year due to the Jan 1 premium sky-rocket.


43 posted on 10/17/2013 7:39:44 AM PDT by txhurl ('The DOG ate my homework. That homework, too. ALL my homework. OK?' - POSHITUS)
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To: Flintlock

“Fig leaf?
WHAT fig leaf?
I don’ see no steeeeeenking fig leaf.”

He did say “a bit of a fig leaf”. A very tiny bit.


44 posted on 10/17/2013 7:40:07 AM PDT by Brooklyn Attitude (Things are only going to get worse.)
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To: Olog-hai

The republican leadership didn’t even fight... they didn’t even negotiate... they rolled over exposing their fat bellies for schmucky to rub.


45 posted on 10/17/2013 7:40:53 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: Olog-hai

Of course they did. The GOP is just another wing of the Democratic Party....they just provide the cover to make it look like there was opposition.


46 posted on 10/17/2013 7:41:38 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Buckeye McFrog

Exactly right. Cruz and Lee will come out on top. Open enrollment for most companies is right around the corner. We’ll see how many people get kicked onto the exchanges or how premiums and deductibles have increased or how many elderly got dropped from Medicare Advantage supplemental insurance (my mother-in-law). They can’t even run a web site and they think they can run healthcare for 350 million people. What a joke they are.


47 posted on 10/17/2013 7:42:39 AM PDT by jersey117
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To: LibLieSlayer

They get their perks of office, what do they care? They don’t have to eat the dog s—t they force on everyone else.


48 posted on 10/17/2013 7:42:58 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Buckeye McFrog

“Can you imagine how good Ted Cruz is going to look after 3 or 6 more months of the Obamacare uber-fail? He’ll be the ONLY guy who can stand up and say “I tried to stop it”.”

If Obozocare fails the media will blame Republicans, over and over until it sticks. And by the time the next election rolls around they reduced Cruz’ reputation to that of Jerry Sandusky.


49 posted on 10/17/2013 7:44:07 AM PDT by Brooklyn Attitude (Things are only going to get worse.)
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To: Olog-hai

I don’t think kicking the can to January is EVERYTHING the rats wanted.

Let’s do this again. Right after New Years.....


50 posted on 10/17/2013 7:45:43 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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