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Georgia Slaps $5 Fee on Free Cellphone Service for Poor (Obamaphones)
Wall Street Journal ^ | Oct. 16, 2013 7:44 p.m. ET | Gautham Nagesh

Posted on 10/17/2013 7:06:14 PM PDT by Pan_Yan

Georgia has become the first state to charge a fee to low-income people who receive free cellphone service through a federal program, saying the move would combat fraud.

The Georgia Public Service Commission voted 3-2 Tuesday to approve a $5-a-month charge on participants in the Lifeline program, which is designed to ensure low-income households have access to basic communications services.

Georgia Public Service Commissioner Doug Everett, who proposed the rule, said the program's structure encourages wireless providers to sign up as many customers as possible to rake in taxpayer-funded subsidies, without first verifying their eligibility. Each eligible household is supposed to get only one phone with free service.

Mr. Everett, a Republican, said his rule was motivated as much by carriers' aggressive sales tactics as by consumer abuse. "I believe the program is broken," he said. "We found multiple phones in the same household because no one is verifying or checking information."

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; US: Georgia
KEYWORDS: georgia; lifeline; obamaphones
Fighting garbage like this on every level is a must.
1 posted on 10/17/2013 7:06:14 PM PDT by Pan_Yan
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To: FreedomPoster

Ping!


2 posted on 10/17/2013 7:06:34 PM PDT by Pan_Yan
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To: Pan_Yan

Dept of Just Us is not going to like this.


3 posted on 10/17/2013 7:08:07 PM PDT by Jane Long (While Marxists continue the fundamental transformation of the USA, progressive RINOs assist!)
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To: Pan_Yan

Half of them will be shut off.

And to quote one recent Walmart EBT glitch shopper I personally heard.

“F**k that, I ain’t spendin my own money”


4 posted on 10/17/2013 7:08:55 PM PDT by barmag25
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To: Jane Long

Oh the humanity!


5 posted on 10/17/2013 7:09:05 PM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: Pan_Yan

What’s “basic” about a product that didn’t exist 10 years ago? What else is considered “basic,” 3D HD TV with 800 channels? If they want “basic” they should get free postage stamps and that’s IT.


6 posted on 10/17/2013 7:09:32 PM PDT by JediJones (The #1 Must-see Filibuster of the Year: TEXAS TED AND THE CONSERVATIVE CRUZ-ADE)
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To: Jane Long
Dept of Just Us is not going to like this.

Oh yeah, this will be as popular as a new voter ID law with the DC crowd.

7 posted on 10/17/2013 7:15:43 PM PDT by Pan_Yan
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To: barmag25
Yep. Something like this should have been done nationwide back at the beginning of the year when everybody's taxes got raised by 2% when the temporary reduction in FICA taxes went away.

Didn't BO call it "skin in the game"? If you aren't working and paying FICA taxes, you don't have skin in the game.

8 posted on 10/17/2013 7:21:11 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Pan_Yan

You mean, the state of Georgia is actually charging the USERS? Not just the vague “rich folk”? I say more power to ‘em!


9 posted on 10/17/2013 7:23:45 PM PDT by workerbee (The President of the United States is DOMESTIC ENEMY #1)
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To: Pan_Yan

10 posted on 10/17/2013 7:24:17 PM PDT by RightGeek (FUBO and the donkey you rode in on)
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To: JediJones

Maybe *basic* cars for all, basic car insurance for all, basic house full of basic furniture and basic clothes. Maybe that’s what’s next on 0’s *Free$#it* list.


11 posted on 10/17/2013 7:28:03 PM PDT by Jane Long (While Marxists continue the fundamental transformation of the USA, progressive RINOs assist!)
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To: Pan_Yan
give-em phones that can ONLY call 911, and their doctor.
12 posted on 10/17/2013 7:30:07 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: RightGeek

If opposing a program is blatently racist doesn’t that mean that the program was inherently racist to begin with?


13 posted on 10/17/2013 7:30:49 PM PDT by Pan_Yan
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To: Chode

In Democrat lingo that means you hate poor people.


14 posted on 10/17/2013 7:31:33 PM PDT by Pan_Yan
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To: Pan_Yan

But...that’s taking cigarettes out of the mouths of children!!!!


15 posted on 10/17/2013 7:33:58 PM PDT by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: Pan_Yan
only if they are lazy... see my tagline
16 posted on 10/17/2013 7:34:02 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Vigilanteman

I’d like to take the “skin in the game” idea a little further: you don’t pay federal taxes = you don’t vote in federal elections.


17 posted on 10/17/2013 7:35:43 PM PDT by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: Pan_Yan

Amen.

never saw a cell phone til I was 35 or so. First one was a bagphone.

Now it’s a necessity??

Nobody gave me jack; I went to work and pulled myself up by my own bootstraps. Ate mackerel and bread and peanuts until I figured it out.


18 posted on 10/17/2013 7:37:57 PM PDT by One Name (Ultimately, the TRUTH is a razor's edge and no man can sit astride it.)
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To: Pan_Yan

I think we all ought to quit our jobs and go on welfare. I wonder how congress would react if millions of working Americans walked into work Monday and quit. Tell the takers it’s their turn.


19 posted on 10/17/2013 7:47:26 PM PDT by McGavin999
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To: Pan_Yan

Waivers for everybody!


20 posted on 10/17/2013 7:48:26 PM PDT by uncitizen (Obamacare IS TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION)
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To: Chode

.......... give-em phones that can ONLY call 911, and their doctor. ......................

Hay yo! Would you’se call Dominoes, so’s that I can buy me a pizza on my super card??


21 posted on 10/17/2013 7:51:00 PM PDT by Noob1999 (Loose Lips, Sink Ships)
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To: McGavin999
I think we all ought to quit our jobs and go on welfare. I wonder how congress would react if millions of working Americans walked into work Monday and quit.

I think they'd love it. It would be the excuse they need to end this pretense of liberty and nationalize industry so hey can control labor directly.

22 posted on 10/17/2013 7:58:04 PM PDT by Pan_Yan
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To: Jane Long

And basic cigarettes!


23 posted on 10/17/2013 8:10:05 PM PDT by cableguymn (The founding fathers would be shooting by now..)
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To: Pan_Yan

I think I like this charge. At least the state is getting something from these parasites.


24 posted on 10/17/2013 8:47:07 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: Pan_Yan

Why not just give them a roll of quarters every month so they can use the pay phone?


25 posted on 10/17/2013 9:25:22 PM PDT by kaehurowing
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To: Pan_Yan; AnAmericanMother; Broker; clee1; ctdonath2; dansangel; Dick Bachert; DJlaysitup; epow; ...

GA FReeper ping.

While I am generally against new taxes, this one I think I can agree with.


26 posted on 10/18/2013 3:18:13 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: FreedomPoster

It’s a link to Online WSJ that requires log in so I can’t read the whole story.

My gut tells me that this ‘fee’ is just another revenue stream for government. Nothing in what is freely visible in the excerpt tells me HOW they will combat the potential fraud. For instance, how will that fee be used? Will it be used to verify eligibility? Will it go to the vendor? To some nondescript fund that gets used up for other things?

I need more information before I’d say good or bad.


27 posted on 10/18/2013 3:24:30 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Gaffer

The point here is that people will be less likely to have multiple phones that they sell to others if they have to shell out $5/mo. It’s not about how the revenue is used, it’s about discouraging fraud.


28 posted on 10/18/2013 3:26:55 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: FreedomPoster

Okay...thanks


29 posted on 10/18/2013 3:28:25 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Pan_Yan
fighting garbage like this on every level

These phones are an insult to self-sufficient US citizens everywhere. They include 240 minutes, free cell phaone, and no fees or taxes.

30 posted on 10/18/2013 3:29:23 AM PDT by grania
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To: Gaffer

Here is an AJC article about this:

http://www.ajc.com/news/business/georgia-becomes-first-state-to-charge-5-for-lifeli/nbN6d/


31 posted on 10/18/2013 3:29:25 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: FreedomPoster

I think they will now buy them for 5 and sell them to the pimps and pushers for 10. Isn’t that how capitalism works? :)


32 posted on 10/18/2013 3:40:18 AM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like it)
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To: FreedomPoster; Nifster; Gaffer

From the articles I’ve read it doesn’t look like it is a tax. The state is requiring the phone carriers to collect $5 from the “customer” instead of all costs being paid by the government program. I don’t think Georgia gets anything out of this but a reduction in fraud.

They are, of course, being sued by a phone company who see Georgia and throwing a block under the wheels of the chuck wagon.


33 posted on 10/18/2013 3:46:08 AM PDT by Pan_Yan
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To: Pan_Yan

Each cell phone is billed a certain amount each month for 911 service. I wonder if Obama Phones are billed that? I wonder if the vendors that collect the Obama Phone money from the government actually turn it over to the state which disburses to the counties?

I’d start there. And I’d increase that tax significantly just for Obama Phones, sending the tax bill to the user.


34 posted on 10/18/2013 4:35:59 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: FreedomPoster; Pan_Yan

I don’t have a problem with this. While they’re at it, they might as well start hitting them up for that Spanish-American War tax that the rest of faithfully paid for 108 years.


35 posted on 10/18/2013 4:39:04 AM PDT by Hoodat (BENGHAZI - 4 KILLED, 2 MIA)
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To: Noob1999
LOL... pretty much
36 posted on 10/18/2013 4:41:20 AM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: FreedomPoster
It’s not about how the revenue is used, it’s about discouraging fraud.

I agree. First I find the idea that some people should get free cell phones offensive, stupid, and totally lacking in logic. Why not free TV's and free cars and free food and free housing - OH wait, they already get free food and free housing, but the food and housing is at least covered by the thin venner of "necessity" (as in keeping the terminally lazy from starving) Cell phones OTO are not a necessity. they didn't even exist 30 years ago. How did the parasites get along without them then?

37 posted on 10/18/2013 5:36:29 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: from occupied ga

They are not My FRiend. You [and I] are paying for them. And the good part is that it is just one more thing we pay for that they are using against us. Kinda like the Chinese having to pay for the bullet used to kill them.


38 posted on 10/18/2013 5:40:38 AM PDT by sport
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To: sport

I’m fully aware of who pays for the parasites’ food, housing, medical care, etc. By free i meant free to them.


39 posted on 10/18/2013 5:50:23 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: Pan_Yan

I love Georgia.


40 posted on 10/18/2013 6:38:09 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: The Antiyuppie

Yes, I’d like to see revocation of voter registration upon 3 consecutive years of being on government “assistance”.


41 posted on 10/18/2013 6:42:59 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Pan_Yan

Fraud and waste on a govt program. Hard to believe. :-)


42 posted on 10/18/2013 7:24:31 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Pan_Yan

States will almost always go after the providers and never the welfare recipient fraudsters, Go after both of them!


43 posted on 10/18/2013 7:38:52 AM PDT by TheCause ("that these United Colonies are, and of right ought to be, free and independent States")
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To: Pan_Yan

The articles I have read lead me to the same conclusion. At $5 (which ain’t all that much), the end user will have some skin in the game


44 posted on 10/18/2013 2:16:12 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: Pan_Yan
Under the new rule, participating carriers in Georgia must bill Lifeline consumers $5 every month starting Jan. 31, or provide them with 500 minutes of call time per month.

They'll go with the 500 minutes.


45 posted on 10/18/2013 2:25:19 PM PDT by steve86 (Some things aren't really true but you wouldn't be half surprised if they were.)
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To: Pan_Yan

our “leaders” are insane


46 posted on 10/18/2013 2:53:09 PM PDT by GeronL
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