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Jim DeMint: We Won't Back Down on ObamaCare
wsj.com ^ | October 17, 2013 | Jim DeMint

Posted on 10/17/2013 11:19:12 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe

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To: Tzimisce

Past tense— voted for him. He heads up Heritage. And lots of people believe him.

Think it’s expensive now— wait until single payer and rationing— the expense is one’s life for the good of the “mob” and re-distribution by theft. The premiums in a single payer will be 10 times higher than now.


101 posted on 10/18/2013 8:16:59 PM PDT by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: kearnyirish2

Someone has to pay the subsidy. It is a simple matter to demonstrate the lost jobs that are part of the cost of those who DO pay for the subsidy. Class warfare only goes so far when one finally wakes up and realizes they will never get anywhere with their “free” healthcare that is not set up that way at all. Like having insurance for a hotel room, that is then taken over by the govt.— how much would a room cost that way? The subsidy serves those on top— this is just like the ponzi scheme of social security. And like europe— headed for disaster and 3rd world.


102 posted on 10/18/2013 8:29:56 PM PDT by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: Fishtalk

Extremely well put the entire comment. It is the deductibles that have to be paid to get the benefit— NO MATTER what the subsidy for the premium is.

Living proof this is NOT about coverage but re-distribution— because who IS going to pay for the subsidy? Us? The dems continue to borrow from china or wherever to fund the subsidies and the other giveaways. It is unsustainable and intended to fail, or break the financial system, and hence the US system of govt. and way of life. THAT is the goal— despite all delusional democrat libs belief in the 100 year dream. We are not Europe- and Europe would not pay for this either— and doesn’t now.


103 posted on 10/18/2013 8:37:45 PM PDT by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: antceecee

Jim demint is someone I just don’t trust


104 posted on 10/18/2013 8:39:32 PM PDT by Morgana (Always a bit of truth in dark humor.)
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To: Theodore R.

Machinery, and the reality in SC, hence he left the Senate as a result, because the romneybots just about ruined any chance he had. A learning experience.


105 posted on 10/18/2013 8:40:12 PM PDT by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: antceecee

Cruz and lee yes! Not demint.


106 posted on 10/18/2013 8:40:28 PM PDT by Morgana (Always a bit of truth in dark humor.)
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To: Fishtalk

Footnote: If I understand correctly, the premium subsidy will be taxed as income...


107 posted on 10/18/2013 9:14:50 PM PDT by mbj
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To: 1035rep
With a revived and engaged electorate, ObamaCare will now be the issue for the next few years.

Rather:
With a revived and engaged electorate, ObamaCare will now be the issue for the next few decades.
108 posted on 10/18/2013 9:31:16 PM PDT by campaignPete R-CT (WWLD? What would LaRussa do?)
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To: CincyRichieRich
I agree with you here. Jim Demint is excellent, but he has to get out there, make his face very well known and his VOICE and MESSAGE HEARD. Agree with you idea that he appear with Sarah Palin, Ted Cruz, Mike Lee, and other Conservatives who are out there and fighting for We the People. We need representation and the public has to see and hear the numbers of strong Conservatives who must get that message out, and must repeat the message OFTEN, they must be the town crier.
109 posted on 10/18/2013 11:53:22 PM PDT by itssme
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To: Be Free
THANK YOU for the “list.” I have a newly found 43 year old relative who lives in Chicago and is a oboma robot. I'm gathering all the info talking points I can find in my quest to present him with the facts and the error of his ways. I'm not that articulate, and as strong a speaker on behalf of all the facts as I should be, so if anyone has some info on talking point lists I can use, would like to hear from you.
110 posted on 10/19/2013 12:07:59 AM PDT by itssme
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To: Theodore R.
Does Jim DeMint continue to this day to back Lindsey Graham? Does anyone have something in print to back this up?
111 posted on 10/19/2013 12:18:34 AM PDT by itssme
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To: itssme

Put it in a rap song for the youngsters to hear it.


112 posted on 10/19/2013 3:51:41 AM PDT by lilypad
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To: mbj

I had not heard the subsidy would be taxed as income though I suppose, it should be.

They will be taxing so-called “Cadillac” plans through the roof after all.


113 posted on 10/19/2013 6:39:55 AM PDT by Fishtalk (http://patfish.blogspot.com/)
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To: mbj

wrong, the premium subsidy is a tax credit one next yr’s tax form, people will be paying the full premium each month


114 posted on 10/19/2013 9:09:15 AM PDT by markman46 (engage brain before using keyboard!!!)
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To: kabar

“You can’t blame it on just the MSM.”

I don’t blame them solely; only 99%. Look at how much attention is given to a Repub criticizing another Repub versus how much is given to the majority of Repubs who criticize Obama. The media alone is the reason Republicans are branded “racist”; Dems have kept blacks (and increasingly Hispanics) in absolute squalor for their own political gains, and are never called out about it. The GOP’s worst enemy will always be the communists in this country and their media.

If Republicans found a way to eliminate all taxes without cutting a cent from the budget, the media would never report it (and you know it).


115 posted on 10/19/2013 9:31:15 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: sergeantdave

“Like a typical brainwashed New Jersey dunderhead”

Nice; the elementary school GED is paying dividends.


116 posted on 10/19/2013 9:40:42 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: kearnyirish2
I don’t blame them solely; only 99%.

Nonsense. You ascribe too much power and control to the MSM.

Look at how much attention is given to a Repub criticizing another Repub versus how much is given to the majority of Repubs who criticize Obama.

How many Dems criticize other Dems, particularly on the floor of the House and Senate? Reps criticizing Obama is just another "dog bites man" non-story. When Reps go after other Reps, that is a story.

The media alone is the reason Republicans are branded “racist”

Meanwhile, Manhattan Institute fellow Heather Mac Donald notes the White House continues to attack opponents of the Bush-Kennedy amnesty package as “nativists.” Conservative columnist Linda Chavez accused amnesty critics of “not liking Mexicans.” Homeland Security Department Secretary Michael Chertoff suggested enforcement advocates wanted to “execute” illegal aliens. Sen. Lindsay Graham, South Carolina Republican, trashed immigration enforcement proponents as “bigots” in front of the ethnocentric, open-borders group La Raza. Yeah, we’re the nativists.

An employee of Grover Norquist’s Americans for Tax Reform (ATR), together with a political ally of “Gang of Eight” member Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL), will argue Friday that groups opposed to the immigration bill pending in the U.S. Senate are “nativists,” Breitbart News has learned.

Reagan speechwriter Peggy Noonan cites other attacks by Bush surrogates on the conservative base: "Sen. Lindsey Graham has said, 'We're gonna tell the bigots to shut up.' ... Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff suggested opponents would prefer illegal immigrants be killed; Commerce Secretary Carlos Gutierrez said those who oppose the bill want 'mass deportation.' Former Bush speechwriter Michael Gerson said those who oppose the bill are 'anti-immigrant' and suggested they suffer from 'rage' and 'national chauvinism.'

"Why would they speak so insultingly, with such hostility, of opponents who are concerned citizens? And often, though not exclusively, concerned conservatives?" asks Noonan.

Because, Peggy, down deep where they live, they don't like the right, never did and have always sought to be seen by the Big Media as the progressive children of a dysfunctional and retarded family.

In the new book Game Change there are a number of revelations, gossip and innuendo that are attributed to those who were running for president in 2008. There are two quotes in the book though that I have no doubt were actually made. Both are from Senator John McCain.

The first is where McCain said that those who oppose amnesty for illegal aliens are "going to destroy the fu*king party”.

The second is in a call with Senator Lindsey Graham where McCain said in frustration at the rebuke he was getting, "Listen to these people ... Why would I want to be the leader of a party of such assholes?"

If Republicans found a way to eliminate all taxes without cutting a cent from the budget, the media would never report it (and you know it).

If the Reps would stop forming their circular firing squads they would be much better off. The way they treated Akin and Mourdock was uncalled for. The Dems stick together. We don't. When the leadership of the party including a Presidential nominee, senators, WH advisors, cabinet members, etc. label fellow members of the party as racists and bigots and nativists, it destroys the brand. Who wants to be a member of such a party? It just reinforces the Dems who label the GOP as a bunch of racist, old white men. It is the most destructive thing we can do. Don't blame the MSM for reporting it. Blame the a$$holes who are saying it.

"We must, indeed, all hang together, or most assuredly we shall all hang separately." Ben Franklin

117 posted on 10/19/2013 10:02:24 AM PDT by kabar
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Yes, you will.


118 posted on 10/19/2013 10:18:48 AM PDT by GeorgeTex (Obama-The Ultimate Terrorist Weapon.)
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To: 1035rep

thanks for the info


119 posted on 10/19/2013 2:35:14 PM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: kabar

“Nonsense. You ascribe too much power and control to the MSM.”

You’re right; they were beaten by Obama’s oratorical brilliance./s

There is no other explanation how this half-wit token with such high unemployment, high prices for staples, record consumer debt, and low home prices is here for another four years. If you talk to average people you will be shocked by their perceptions, and you’ll very quickly understand who shaped them. If Republicans can’t find an alternative means of reaching voters, they may as well close up shop; there was NO REASON for Romney’s loss in 2012. Whatever shortcomings he had were NOTHING compared to Obama’s by 2012; Obama was a proven failure, while Romney could hold out hope (in the same way the Kenyan Pirate did in 2008).


120 posted on 10/19/2013 4:25:48 PM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: John S Mosby

“Class warfare only goes so far when one finally wakes up and realizes they will never get anywhere with their “free” healthcare that is not set up that way at all.”

This will be free to many people “on the bottom” (and I don’t mean those on welfare - they already had free healthcare); high earners (over $30K, probably) will be subsidizing the healthcare of those people trying to raise families on minimum-wage jobs. Just as in Cuba where communism spelled doom for the middle and upper classes, this will actually bring benefits to people who currently have nothing; they’ll always support the party that gives them our money.


121 posted on 10/19/2013 4:34:13 PM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: kearnyirish2
You’re right; they were beaten by Obama’s oratorical brilliance./s

They were beaten by tribal politics. Demography is destiny.

There is no other explanation how this half-wit token with such high unemployment, high prices for staples, record consumer debt, and low home prices is here for another four years. If you talk to average people you will be shocked by their perceptions, and you’ll very quickly understand who shaped them.

59% of non-Hispanic whites voted for Romney. They voted in the majority for Romney across all age groups and gender. In any other election, Romney would have won the WH. The problem is that non-Hispanic whites make up only 66% of the population compared to 89% in 1970.

By 2019 half of the children 18 and under will be minorities as classified by the USG. Each cohort that turns 18 is more Democrat than the previous one. The Democrats are increasing their voters while ours are decreasing.

87 percent of the 1.2 million legal immigrants entering annually are minorities as defined by the U.S. Government and almost all of the illegal aliens are minorities. By 2042, half of the residents of this country will be minorities. Generally, immigrants and minorities vote two to one for the Democrat Party. Hence, Democrats view immigration as a never-ending source of voters that will make them the permanent majority party. In essence, every year we are importing hundreds of thousands of Dem voters.

The Democrats, under the banner of multiculturalism and diversity, have forged a political coalition that depends on individuals coalescing around racial and ethnic identities rather than the issues. The continuing and increasing flow of minority immigrants, mostly poor and uneducated, provides a natural constituency for the Democrats, which see them as their principal source of political power.

The reason this "half-wit token with such high unemployment, high prices for staples, record consumer debt, and low home prices is here for another four years" is that issues no longer matter when you vote along tribal lines.

States like NV, CO, NM, VA, NC, and FL are turning purple and will soon be blue. I have seen how demographics have changed VA. Here in Fairfax County, 30% of the residents are foreign born. In 1990 they were 15% of the population. This has electoral consequences. McAwful will more than likely by elected as Governor over a solid conservative, Ken Cuccinelli.

Unless we stem the tide of legal immigration, get used to losing elections. Hillary is as big a lock as any first time Presidential candidate in our history. The Electoral College math is inescapable.

122 posted on 10/19/2013 5:11:23 PM PDT by kabar
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To: itssme

I have not read of anything about DeMint backing a Graham opponent for 2014.


123 posted on 10/19/2013 6:53:05 PM PDT by Theodore R. (The grand pooh-bahs have spoken: "It's Jebbie's turn!" to LOSE!)
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To: kearnyirish2

Well, there you have it-— a “high earner” defined as 30K or higher-— this is the death of the middle and lower class... hence true marxism.

Let us see if the savvy 27 year olds who are just beginning to work their life and try to save and be responsible, are going to sign up for confiscatory premiums, confiscatory deductibles to get “limited” coverage. The sale is a poor one, and enforcement to do so utterly ludicrous— the makings of a revolution, like during Vietnam and LBJ. The millenials and the younger ones will not stand for this— only the dumbasses and uninformed. Which is why the continual assuaging by the msm to paper this nightmare over.
This battle is just beginning and it will be a war.


124 posted on 10/20/2013 8:58:13 AM PDT by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: kabar

“By 2042, half of the residents of this country will be minorities.”

I personally believe this will happen by 2020; the later dates are thrown out there to prevent a panic or reaction by “Americans”.

“59% of non-Hispanic whites voted for Romney. They voted in the majority for Romney across all age groups and gender.”

That is a very low number considering what had happened to this country in the preceding four years.

“Generally, immigrants and minorities vote two to one for the Democrat Party.”

No doubt; the country is being given away by people who no longer care enough about it to produce another generation of Americans.

“Unless we stem the tide of legal immigration, get used to losing elections.”

I am used to it.


125 posted on 10/20/2013 4:23:16 PM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: John S Mosby

“This battle is just beginning and it will be a war.”

I hope so; this peace is killing us.


126 posted on 10/20/2013 4:26:15 PM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...

Thanks Tailgunner Joe.
On Wednesday, Drew Gonshorowski of the Center for Data Analysis at the Heritage Foundation published research that shows exchange premiums are going up in all but five states. In North Carolina... premiums almost double... Georgia, Arizona, Vermont and North Dakota, will see premium increases of up to 150%... "A state that exhibits this clearly is Vermont... where the increase for 27-year-olds is 144 percent and the increase for 50-year-olds is still 60 percent, but far less. All states exhibit this relationship." We also know that, once established, the cost of ObamaCare's new entitlements will not fall... the Congressional Budget Office's projection that ObamaCare will cost "only" $250 billion (you read that right: a quarter-trillion dollars) a decade from now seems far-fetched... Harry Reid recently claimed that ObamaCare will lead to a single-payer health-care system: It happens to be true.

127 posted on 10/20/2013 4:52:23 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's no coincidence that some "conservatives" echo the hard left.)
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To: kearnyirish2
I personally believe this will happen by 2020; the later dates are thrown out there to prevent a panic or reaction by “Americans”.

LOL. It has nothing to do with what you believe but with hard data based on the census. If the Gang of 8 bill passes, then it will happen much sooner due to almost tripling of legal immigration over the next decade.

No doubt; the country is being given away by people who no longer care enough about it to produce another generation of Americans.

If you want to see something that is amazing, take a look at this May 2013 press release from the Census Bureau: International Migration is Projected to Become Primary Driver of U.S. Population Growth for First Time in Nearly Two Centuries

"International migration is projected to surpass natural increase (births minus deaths) as the principal driver of U.S. population growth by the middle of this century, according to three new series of population projections released today by the U.S. Census Bureau. This scenario would mark the first time that natural increase was not the leading cause of population increase since at least 1850, when the census began collecting information about residents' country of birth. The shift in what drives U.S. population growth is projected to occur between 2027 and 2038, depending on the future level of international migration.

"This projected milestone reflects the mix of our nation's declining fertility rates, the aging of the baby boomer population and continued immigration."

Other highlights:

Total U.S. population in 2060 ranges from 392.7 million in the constant series to 442.4 million in the high series.

The 65 and older population would outnumber the population younger than 18 as of 2038 in the constant series, 2046 in the low series, and 2056 in the December 2012 projections. In the high series, the under-18 population would remain greater than the 65 and older population throughout the period.

The population younger than 18, 23.5 percent of the total in 2012, would drop to 20.8 percent in 2060 in the constant series. In the high series, it would decrease to 21.4 percent in 2060.

The series with the latest projected date for when the U.S. population would become majority-minority (2046) is the constant series.

The population under 18 years is projected to become majority-minority in either 2018 or 2019 in all four series.

The working-age population is projected to become majority-minority between 2036 (high series) and 2042 (constant series).

The percentage of the population 65 and older that is minority would increase in each series, but not become majority-minority by 2060 in any of them.

128 posted on 10/20/2013 5:03:14 PM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar

“It has nothing to do with what you believe but with hard data based on the census.”

My beliefs have nothing to do with it; I have eyes, and the ethnic makeup of my children’s classes don’t lie.


129 posted on 10/20/2013 5:05:28 PM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: kearnyirish2
My beliefs have nothing to do with it; I have eyes, and the ethnic makeup of my children’s classes don’t lie.

Please don't take me for a fool. Anecdotal information is not as reliable or accurate as census data based on hundreds of millions of responses.

The ethnic makeup of your children's classes is a reflection of where you live and the demographics of the area. It doesn't reflect the entire country.

130 posted on 10/20/2013 5:10:56 PM PDT by kabar
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To: kearnyirish2
Take a look at the Census Bureau demographic comparison of NJ with the entire country
131 posted on 10/20/2013 5:14:40 PM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar

“The ethnic makeup of your children’s classes is a reflection of where you live and the demographics of the area. It doesn’t reflect the entire country.”

Anglo-Americans have deceived themselves for decades that someone else would have the kids they themselves were foregoing; keep going with that strategy. It gave us two terms of Obama; that doesn’t lie, either.


132 posted on 10/20/2013 5:15:40 PM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: kabar

The ethnic makeup of your children’s classes is a reflection of where you live and the demographics of the area. It doesn’t reflect the entire country.


and the entire country doesn’t reflect the local situation. BOTH are valuable information, not one or the other.


133 posted on 10/20/2013 5:29:40 PM PDT by PeterPrinciple
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To: kabar

It tells me that NJ is 58% “Anglo” while the US is 63%; you think that indicates we have 30 years before those “Anglo” percentages are below 50%? I assure you based on school enrollments alone that is not the case.

For years we’d been told that Hispanics would outnumber blacks by 2010; soon after the 2000 census we were told it already happened. Why shouldn’t we think the same game is being played with whites?


134 posted on 10/20/2013 5:30:12 PM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: kearnyirish2
Immigration drives three quarters of our population growth. Blacks have the highest abortion rates. There would be twice as many blacks today without abortion.

Fertility rates decline as nations acquire more wealth. The fertility rates of China and Japan are much less than ours for different reasons. So is most of Europe.

It is one thing for "Anglo-Americans" to have less children, it is another to embrace a public policy on immigration that will transform a predominantly non-Hispanic white country to a majority minority nation. It started with the 1965 Immigration Act that abolished the national origins act. As a result, 87% of our 1.2 million legal immigrants who enter each year are minorities.

I doubt that there has ever been a country in world history that has peacefully transformed itself so that the principal race/ethnic group made itself a minority. Immigration is a controllable variable. We have actually increased immigration over the past 40 years. The last two decades have been the highest in US history. And if the Gang of 8 bill is adopted, we will almost triple the numbers that came in during the last decade, the highest in our history.

The demographic changes have many consequences, including electoral ones. The question is whether we can assimilate such numbers and still remain the same country that embraces the views and vision of our Founders or whether we will be Balkanized along racial, ethnic, cultural, and linguistic lines. 20% of Americans now live in households where a language other than English is spoken. And those numbers will only grow.

135 posted on 10/20/2013 5:41:41 PM PDT by kabar
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To: kearnyirish2
It tells me that NJ is 58% “Anglo” while the US is 63%; you think that indicates we have 30 years before those “Anglo” percentages are below 50%? I assure you based on school enrollments alone that is not the case.

I gave you the census bureau data, but you continue to to proffer your own views based on anecdotal information. Did you read the press release I provided to you in my post #125?

The high series also projects that the minority population — all people except for those that are non-Hispanic, single-race white — would climb from 37 percent of the total in 2012 to 58.8 percent in 2060. In contrast, the U.S. minority population would reach 55.9 percent in the low series. The Asian population, 5.1 percent of the total in 2012, would reach 7.3 percent in 2060 in the low series and 9 percent in the high series. Similarly, the Hispanic population was 17 percent of the total in 2012 and is projected to reach 29.9 percent in 2060 in the low series and 31.3 percent in the high series.

The population under 18 years is projected to become majority-minority in either 2018 or 2019 in all four series.

The working-age population (18-64) is projected to become majority-minority between 2036 (high series) and 2042 (constant series).

For years we’d been told that Hispanics would outnumber blacks by 2010; soon after the 2000 census we were told it already happened. Why shouldn’t we think the same game is being played with whites?

Told by whom? Certainly not the Census Bureau.

136 posted on 10/20/2013 5:54:44 PM PDT by kabar
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To: PeterPrinciple
and the entire country doesn’t reflect the local situation. BOTH are valuable information, not one or the other.

The local situation is irrelevant when you are discussing national trends and public policy.

137 posted on 10/20/2013 5:56:56 PM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar

OK, you win; I’m imagining this whole thing.


138 posted on 10/20/2013 6:03:53 PM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

I’m paying $5 dollars for my Obamacare. No more no less. I was told this was “Affordable care” and $5 is all I can afford. I am sending a letter to Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid every month demanding they cover the rest of the cost so it remains affordable to me.


139 posted on 10/21/2013 6:25:42 AM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (What do we want? Time travel. When do we want it? It's irrelevant.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

How can you backdown DeNitWitt when you’ve completely surrendered?


140 posted on 10/22/2013 2:18:46 PM PDT by Fledermaus (Park Service employees "following orders" should be SHAMED and SHUNNED!)
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To: Fledermaus

Oops, wrong guy. Was thinking Cornyn.


141 posted on 10/22/2013 2:19:58 PM PDT by Fledermaus (Park Service employees "following orders" should be SHAMED and SHUNNED!)
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To: ex-Texan; All

To “start all over” is to admit that NOTHING was learned from the disastrous, mandatory Nationalization of 1/6 of America’s Economy.

Are any of us FReepers really that STUPID ?!


142 posted on 10/23/2013 7:15:56 AM PDT by Graewoulf (Traitor John Roberts' Marxist Obama'care' Insurance violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

I think he will follow his friend Lindsey and back down no matter the rhetoric to the contrary.


143 posted on 10/23/2013 6:42:09 PM PDT by Theodore R. (The grand pooh-bahs have spoken: "It's Jebbie's turn!" to LOSE!)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

I think Jim DeMint unlike what the late Jack French Kemp called “our liberal friends” means well. It’s just that his dedication to Lindsey Graham casts some doubt on him.


144 posted on 10/25/2013 11:05:21 PM PDT by Theodore R. (The grand pooh-bahs have spoken: "It's Jebbie's turn!" to LOSE!)
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