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Jim DeMint: We Won't Back Down on ObamaCare
wsj.com ^ | October 17, 2013 | Jim DeMint

Posted on 10/17/2013 11:19:12 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe

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To: kearnyirish2

“They’ve been cleaning the Repubs’ clocks when it comes to elections over the last few years...”

Then explain how the Republicans control 26 states while the rats control 11. Living in liberal New Jersey is overwhelming your reasoning faculties.


51 posted on 10/18/2013 6:58:31 AM PDT by sergeantdave
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To: snippy_about_it

DeMint was an early, early backer of Mittens.


52 posted on 10/18/2013 7:06:02 AM PDT by Theodore R. (The grand pooh-bahs have spoken: "It's Jebbie's turn!" to LOSE!)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Oh people, people. Don't get your panties in a bunch. God tells us in the book of Revelation 9:21, "Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts."
The word sorceries comes from the Greek word pharmakeia which is the root word in English for the word pharmaceutical (Oh I know. Some egghead will try to twist and spin this reality but the point's made.). We're NOT going to be able to get away from obamacare and what it morphs into. The people of this nation are unwilling to repent and to turn away from evil. Isaiah speaks of this time and the sorceries of this time as well.
God promises in 2 Chronicles 7:14 to heal our land if we will just repent - "If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land." Problem is His people are afraid to manifest who and what they are.
They sit on their laurels and figure that God is speaking of some other people and some other land and some other generation, not open to accept that the United States of America is the ONLY country in the history of man that was founded on Christian principles. The US is the ONLY country that's ever called herself a "Christian" nation. And NOW this nation is denying this fact. Like it or not Jesus Christ IS God. Christians are not only "His" people. We are His bride.

The end is near. A remnant of us have trimmed our lamps, stood fast in His lordship and awaited the days that are now upon us. If you are one of us you know of what I say.
The simpletons of the world are too lazy to fight the good fight. They are ashamed to call good good and evil evil. They find it easier to call good evil and evil good. As scripture says "Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!" Their woes are just beginning. It would have been better for them had they never known the goodness of God and Christ.

Pass the popcorn. Things are going to get interesting.

53 posted on 10/18/2013 7:11:46 AM PDT by Whats-wrong-with-the-truth
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To: kearnyirish2

It’s very simple for TEA party advocates.

As long as the problems won’t go away neither will the opposition. And with Obama, there are always problems.


54 posted on 10/18/2013 7:19:57 AM PDT by Justa
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To: Tzimisce

Demint is speaking on behalf of the Heritage Foundation and millions of conservatives. He is not in elective office now.


55 posted on 10/18/2013 7:32:35 AM PDT by kabar
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To: kearnyirish2
Obama’s re-election showed just how desperate and ignorant voters are, and I don’t see Republicans doing anything constructive about that.

Obama's reelection marked a tipping point in national politics. The Dems are the permanent majority party, at least on the national level. We have entered the era of tribal politics.

Immigration since the 1965 Immigration Act has changed the demographics of America forever. In 1970 one in 21 was foreign born in this country. Today it is one in 8, the highest it has been in 90 years. And within the next decade it will be one in 7, the highest in our history.

87% of the 1.2 million legal permanent immigrants who enter annually are minorities. By 2019 half of the children 18 and under will be minorities as classified by the USG. Each cohort that turns 18 is more Democrat than the previous one.

This has electoral consequences. Romney won the non-Hispanic white vote with 59% of the vote. He won it in every age group and by gender. In other times, Romney would have won easily. However, only 66% of the electorate is now non-Hispanic white compared to the 89% in 1970. Obama won Hispanics with 71%, Asians with 73%, and blacks with 95%.

At least in terms of future Presidential elections, the Dems have a lock on the WH no matter who runs or how bad the policies of Obama are. The GOP's main hope is taking control of Congress--at least in the short run. If we don't curtail the current immigration levels, then the Dems will be the permanent majority party at every level.

The Gang of 8 bill in the Senate increases the number of legal immigrants over the next ten years to 33 million compared to the 13.9 million who entered during the decade that ended in 2010. It just so happens that the last decade was the highest in American history in terms of the number of immigrants. And this doesn't include the doubling of the number of guest workers increasing the numbers from 700,000 to 1.4 million a year. Demography is destiny.

56 posted on 10/18/2013 7:50:50 AM PDT by kabar
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To: Tailgunner Joe

They already did... repeatedly.


57 posted on 10/18/2013 7:55:36 AM PDT by Pikachu_Dad (Impeach Sen Quinn)
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To: FourtySeven
I’m curious, what exactly do you see happening if indeed the Republicans “take” the Senate in 2014?

Any answers yet? I agree, nothing will happen. Without super majority, we are powerless against this dictator King Obama and his powerful communists structure.

58 posted on 10/18/2013 7:57:56 AM PDT by Logical me
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To: listenhillary
Imagine a 28 year old coughing up $5,000 to get health care. 80% or more wont be able to scape up this money.

And my deductible is yearly. Is this deductible once for life if the same treatment for same health problem. If you have to change hospitals, $5000 again? Lots of questions.

59 posted on 10/18/2013 8:05:56 AM PDT by Logical me
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To: pfony1; All
I hope the Heritage Foundation opens a website that publishes reports of ObamaCare RipOffs.

They're WAY ahead of ya....

http://heritageaction.com

60 posted on 10/18/2013 8:09:11 AM PDT by Jane Long (While Marxists continue the fundamental transformation of the USA, progressive RINOs assist!)
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To: pfony1

I hope the Heritage Foundation opens a website that publishes what republicans voted to exempt their staffers.

How many republicans voted FOR the Vitter Amendment ?
(to eliminate congress and their staffer from being subsidized for Obamacare)


61 posted on 10/18/2013 8:22:01 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad & lived with his parents most his life.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Jim DeMint is also a backer of Lindsey Graham. That’s why I never listened to him that much. I am surprised that he is considered part of the Tea Party considering his Graham advocacy.


62 posted on 10/18/2013 8:45:15 AM PDT by Theodore R. (The grand pooh-bahs have spoken: "It's Jebbie's turn!" to LOSE!)
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To: RetiredArmy
the media does win most battles and the Rinos cave on most battle

but we've won a few in the past, we got the rinos to stop amnesty,hillary care , gun control in the past. if we give up and don't try to get them to stop amnesty this time we are much worse of with 50 million new 3rd world maggots invading the USA and taking away our jobs

it's a long shot but we have to try to stop amnesty

63 posted on 10/18/2013 8:45:42 AM PDT by Democrat_media (IRS rigged election for Obama and democrats by shutting down tea party)
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To: Whats-wrong-with-the-truth
The people of this nation are unwilling to repent and to turn away from evil.

Tucked away in your essay is this gem of truth. The American people are burning themselves to death; they just can't see the flames yet.

64 posted on 10/18/2013 8:48:29 AM PDT by Theodore R. (The grand pooh-bahs have spoken: "It's Jebbie's turn!" to LOSE!)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

I wish I understood why the GOP is so inept at messaging!!! This should be a fairly simple script, that even the dimmest of bulbs in the party can repeat:

“The question shouldn’t be why we’re still working to keep Obamacare from going into full effect. It should be why WOULDN’T we be doing everything we can to stop it.

When the Dems conjured up the ACA:

- We said it would kill jobs; they said it wouldn’t. Well now we have proof - it kills jobs, particularly middle-class jobs that are the backbone of our economy. Employers are cutting full-time jobs, and making them part-time. And they’re taking part-timers, and limiting their hours to ensure their costs of providing medical insurance don’t skyrocket.;

- We said it wouldn’t reduce medical or insurance costs, and would almost certainly drive those costs up. They said it would reduce costs - insurance, care provision, everything. Well now we have proof - it is driving costs higher.

- We said it would reduce care options, as individual doctors, doctor groups, and other care providers would retire, close down, or limit patient access. The Dems said this wouldn’t happen, and we were fear-mongers. Well now we have proof - we were right, and medical care choices are now more limited.

- They said medical insurance premiums would drop - not just for a few, but for everyone; we said there was no way to insure an additional 10 million people, and not have premiums increase to cover costs. Again, we were right, as people across America are seeing the devastating effects of higher premiums for mandated coverage they don’t want or need.

- They said we could keep our existing plans if we liked them. But, as millions of Americans have learned, this also is a falsehood. Individual policy-holders in the millions are being told their plans aren’t available under the ACA, tne their replacement plans are sometimes 2 or 3 times more expensive than their canceled plans.

- They also said we could keep our doctors, but doctors and doctor groups are refusing to participate in the least expensive plans, because of the dramatic shift in reimbursement rates they would receive for providing care.

You see, the Dems were not straight with the American people when they rammed this legislation through. There was a reason not a single Republican legislator voted for it in the House and the Senate. We knew it, and said it at the time. We were ridiculed by them, and by the press. But we were right - and the proof is there for all to see now.

All of America would be well served to see this terrible legislation repealed. But, at the very least, we should hit the pause button. There literally is no good reason to continue down this path, and it’s why we’re fighting so hard to mitigate its negative impacts.

So again, the question isn’t why we’re against it. The question is: “Why would any reasonable person be for it?”.


65 posted on 10/18/2013 9:14:13 AM PDT by Be Free (I believe in gun control. The more people that control their own guns, the safer we'll all be.)
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To: 1035rep
Amidst all the blather about Republicans going over the cliff and taking the world with them, a tantalizing bit of truth was spoken on today's Morning Joe. Doomsaying notwithstanding, the GOP is actually positioned to do OK in 2014." "Making the comment particularly surprising was its source: Barack Obama's former senior adviser himself—David Axelrod."

On Jan 1 when the sheeple find out just how odious Obamacare really is (not just the premiums, but the high co-pays and deductibles - and what is not seen right now, the limited number of doctors that will take it), they 'might' remember that only the Republicans attempted to stop it. Maybe. I doubt it, given the short attention span of the sheeple, but .... maybe.
66 posted on 10/18/2013 9:29:32 AM PDT by yorkiemom
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To: Tailgunner Joe
The goal is a single payer system, and managed care.

The biggest concern to the Fedgov is long life times. People retire at 62, go on SS, and live to their 90’s. With the demographic winter coming, that is not sustainable.

A single payer system, with managed care, will lower the average life span. Big corps are for it, because they want to get out of the health care side of things, and they are worried about all the 401K’s being drained out of the market when the Boomers cash out.

My grandparents lived till their 90’s. My parents are in their 70’s. With what is coming, I don't expect to reach either mark.

67 posted on 10/18/2013 9:39:14 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Where are the five states that will have premiums that go down? Is he factoring in illegal Mexicans who will get free insurance?


68 posted on 10/18/2013 9:54:33 AM PDT by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Agreed. We will keep working until this program is repealed.


69 posted on 10/18/2013 10:11:09 AM PDT by popdonnelly (The right to self-defense is older than the Constitution.)
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To: Tzimisce
the people who vote for you.

Welcome visitor from distant past!

70 posted on 10/18/2013 10:13:51 AM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: Tzimisce

MEMO: Richard M. Nixon is no longer President of the United States.


71 posted on 10/18/2013 10:17:10 AM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

72 posted on 10/18/2013 10:19:01 AM PDT by Paine in the Neck (Is John's moustache long enough YET?)
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To: Guenevere

Your welcome to your opinion, but DeMint’s voice was much more powerful as a leader in the senate.


73 posted on 10/18/2013 10:28:58 AM PDT by kenmcg (scapegoat)
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To: listenhillary; 1rudeboy
It takes a lot of effort to pay attention to politics. Freepers pay more attention than most Americans and even with this, many of them miss details.

Now think about how informed the average American would be. It’s pretty scary how easily they can be manipulated.

You're right. Honest to goodness, reading the comments on this thread has been depressing as hell.

74 posted on 10/18/2013 10:34:30 AM PDT by lonevoice (Today I broke my personal record for most consecutive days lived)
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To: Theodore R.

You keep trying and crawling out of the woodwork. DeMint did not support his 2008 campaign.


75 posted on 10/18/2013 10:39:43 AM PDT by snippy_about_it
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To: snippy_about_it

There must be quite a few on this thread that do not belong to the Heritage Foundation or follow what they do or are against the Heritage Foundation.


76 posted on 10/18/2013 12:09:22 PM PDT by RedMDer (http://www.dontfundobamacare.com/)
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77 posted on 10/18/2013 12:10:47 PM PDT by RedMDer (http://www.dontfundobamacare.com/)
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To: FourtySeven
I’m curious, what exactly do you see happening if indeed the Republicans “take” the Senate in 2014?

They aren’t going to get 60 seats. I think we can all agree there.

Nothing will happen even if they had 70 seats.

Elected Tea Party conservative republicans should pull a Joe Lieberman now and change parties. Let the GOP lose some seats now.

78 posted on 10/18/2013 12:20:38 PM PDT by tsowellfan (www.cafenetamerica.com)
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To: FourtySeven
Elected Tea Party conservative republicans in both the Senate and House should pull a Joe Lieberman now and change parties. Let the GOP lose some seats now.
79 posted on 10/18/2013 12:22:49 PM PDT by tsowellfan (www.cafenetamerica.com)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

I keep asking Heritage how much they’re paying Demint. Crickets. I’ll pay more attention to him when he discloses what the deal with Heritage is? I’m just natchurly suspicious that he’s a big money front name ala Lizzy Dole/Red Cross with no real participation/action.


80 posted on 10/18/2013 12:27:24 PM PDT by cherokee1 (skip the names---just kick the buttz)
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To: RedMDer

We do have a subset of FReepers who recoil at the mention of Heritage, but not on this thread, I think. It really, really makes one wonder where their heads are.


81 posted on 10/18/2013 12:45:14 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Tailgunner Joe
All you need to do is look at my country, Canada. Healthcare costs are now approaching 50% of provincial budgets.
82 posted on 10/18/2013 12:52:21 PM PDT by Sam Gamgee (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't. - Patton)
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To: Tzimisce

the media is the problem for if we had a true and fair media then bozo would never have even got to the state senate let alone the white house and this health care crap which is failing.


83 posted on 10/18/2013 1:42:13 PM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: 1035rep

I don’t visit the liberal and homosexual sites but are most of them saying this health care crap is awful now or are they still in denial?


84 posted on 10/18/2013 1:44:09 PM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: listenhillary

good guide though seeing Cheney go against another republican when she will be in the McCain corner if elected and with the homosexual lobby made me sick


85 posted on 10/18/2013 1:48:17 PM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: Tzimisce

Ah, Rip Van Winkle. And on this website too.

If we could encourage Jim to run for president while those with courage are impeaching the jackass in the White Hut our nation might be extracted from the pit.


86 posted on 10/18/2013 1:50:09 PM PDT by IbJensen (Liberals are like Slinkies, good for nothing, but you smile as you push them down the stairs.)
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To: sergeantdave

“Then explain how the Republicans control 26 states while the rats control 11. Living in liberal New Jersey is overwhelming your reasoning faculties.”

The “fundamental change” is national; you’re in denial about Republican control of anything. Solid Republican states have “gay marriage” forced on them by a liberal judiciary, and I haven’t seen 26 states refuse to participate in ObamaCare (or affirmative action, or legalized abortion, or anything else on the Dem agenda).


87 posted on 10/18/2013 2:43:47 PM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: kabar

The demographics alone doesn’t explain it; it is the absolute domination of media outlets along with the demographics that make it impossible for Republicans. As long as they are portrayed as white bigots to the Third World’s losers that wash up here, the Dem majority is permanent.


88 posted on 10/18/2013 2:46:59 PM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: listenhillary

Major care? I got charged $1200 (insurance paid), to stop a nosebleed...


89 posted on 10/18/2013 2:47:03 PM PDT by GregoryFul (... under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty to throw off such Gov't ...)
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To: kearnyirish2
You can't blame it on just the MSM.

The immigration issue has deeply divided the Republican Party. President Bush and then Presidential nominee McCain supported amnesty bills (Hagel-Martinez in 2006 and McCain-Kennedy in 2007) against the majority of their own party. Moreover, we had the sorry spectacle of people like Karl Rove and Lindsey Graham castigating their fellow Republicans [read Conservatives] who opposed amnesty using such epithets as bigots, racists, and nativists. These criticisms just reinforce the Democrat branding of the GOP and alienate minorities who perceive that they are not welcome in the party.

Moreover, being branded as a “racist” political party hurts the GOP in recruiting new members, regardless of race or ethnicity. America is not a racist country and no one wants to be associated with a racist organization.

The GOP is its own worst enemy. Look at how they are crucifying Cruz. The language of Peter King and John McCain against Cruz is destructive and uncalled for. Can you imagine any Democrat using such language against one of their own colleagues?

90 posted on 10/18/2013 3:06:02 PM PDT by kabar
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Why would anyone believe a republican anymore?
I sure don’t.


91 posted on 10/18/2013 3:17:25 PM PDT by Randy Larsen (Aim small, Miss small.)
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To: Randy Larsen

The McCain and Graham types never liked DeMint or any Conservative for that matter. He’s doing a great job right now at the head of Heritage.
I remember seeing DeMint and Pence mingling with the crowd on 9-12-2010 while most of the rest of Congress were absent or in hiding.


92 posted on 10/18/2013 3:39:23 PM PDT by RedMDer (http://www.dontfundobamacare.com/)
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93 posted on 10/18/2013 3:40:13 PM PDT by RedMDer (http://www.dontfundobamacare.com/)
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To: kearnyirish2

Like a typical brainwashed New Jersey dunderhead, you haven’t answered the question.

Frankly, I’m getting tired of your negative, surrender-monkey posts. You want to surrender, fine. Go find a hole to crawl into and leave us alone. We’re getting ready to fight, and you have no fight left in you.

Get lost.


94 posted on 10/18/2013 4:22:22 PM PDT by sergeantdave
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Good for DeMitt. Obummercare has shown itself to be a disaster. They had one sign up in Delaware and they had a celebration! I’m sure a 10 year old could have designed a better web page for Obamacare. This is an epic disaster brought to you by Democrats and RINOS!!!


95 posted on 10/18/2013 4:48:56 PM PDT by hockeyfan44 (No more RINOS!!!)
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To: manc
They’re having fits about the entire thing. Some are posting their policies then showing how much they’re going up. The deductibles are going way up and they are losing their plans because they don’t include all sorts of things like maternity care, etc. To be an “approved” plan you have to buy coverage for these things even if you will never use them.

I didn't know you would be forced to buy maternity and pediatric care when you are a male and have no kids. Mental health, additional prescription, pediatric and maternity, etc.

Single female, age 47, make too much for subsidies, the "Anthem Bronze" individual plan would be $230/mo for me (not bad but) .... a $6,000 deductible and a 60% co-pay. There's no way in HELL I am buying this, since, short of getting hit by a bus & having a heart attack, a coma and organ failure all at the same time, I'm never going to come near that deductible. Oh, and I don't need maternity or pediatric dental, either.

You either have to go to the exchange or get a better policy that will cover things you will never need.

They are saying Obama lied when he said if you like your plan you can keep it. So far, nobody qualifies for a subsidy or the subsidy will not offset the huge increases.

Im out of work due to needing a surgery, and dont have insurance. And since my income is too LOW to qualify for subsidies, I dont get shit. I get to hold my breath and wait to see if my state expands medicaid, which it has not done.

Some are trying to defend it.

We're supposed to be liberal Democrats on this site. The selfishness on a Democratic site is disheartening. This is part and parcel of living in a society where we have some sense of responsibility for others outside of ourselves. No man is an island, etc. etc. I am a senior whose children are grown and in their 40's and I don't whine and moan about paying taxes for public schools. Someone paid taxes for my children to go to school. When I was younger I didn't whine and moan about paying Medicare and Social Security taxes when my senior years were far off in the distance. It's part of the social contract that we pool our resources to help each other out, and I always thought that Democrats valued that. I've read so many posts both here and on Facebook that start with, "But this doesn't help me any." Then we complain about the "me" society.

Also, some of the liberals had no idea that a mandate meant that they had to purchase health insurance. Some other liberals explained it to them and they are not too happy knowing that they have to purchase it.

96 posted on 10/18/2013 4:53:09 PM PDT by 1035rep
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To: Morgana

I hope he keeps it up and will continue to support Heritage. Can’t imagine what your world view is, not even close to mine.


97 posted on 10/18/2013 6:14:18 PM PDT by antceecee (Bless us Lord, forgive us our sins and bring us to everlasting life.)
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To: upchuck

I’m game for it... love to be on the DeMint Ping list!


98 posted on 10/18/2013 6:15:52 PM PDT by antceecee (Bless us Lord, forgive us our sins and bring us to everlasting life.)
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To: sergeantdave

: )


99 posted on 10/18/2013 6:16:52 PM PDT by antceecee (Bless us Lord, forgive us our sins and bring us to everlasting life.)
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To: sergeantdave

;) <3!


100 posted on 10/18/2013 6:21:24 PM PDT by antceecee (Bless us Lord, forgive us our sins and bring us to everlasting life.)
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