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Undivided Power Begets Undivided Tyranny. Always.

Posted on 10/18/2013 1:53:17 PM PDT by Jacquerie

The solution to America’s political problems reside within the American tradition. The answer is right in front of our noses.

First, if one thinks, as the dimwitted commentariat does, that the problem is bickering between the two parties, the answer is simple. Eliminate political opposition. Destroy one of the belligerents, and the party left standing will rule without discord. That is Obama’s operandi, and he is well on his way to establishing de facto one party rule.

OTOH, patriotic Americans see the problem as an undivided government in Washington DC rapidly eroding freedom. Our Fabulous Framers knew that who one elects is irrelevant to the larger problem of keeping all power out of the hands of a single government. Recall James Madison’s definition of tyranny as the holding of all powers, legislative, executive and judicial in the same hands, whether by one person, a few, or many and regardless of whether the hands were appointed or elected. This separation of powers theory is the bedrock, the foundation of secured rights. When power is divided, tyranny is impossible. Duh.

Undivided power inevitably leads to undivided tyranny. Isn’t that what we have? The three branches have, for all practical purposes, folded into one self-supporting mass. A president, a few hundred legislators, and nine judges are quite comfortable pushing us around and imposing, with little fear of retribution, their social justice theories on over three hundred million people.

But, according to so many at FreeRepublic, if we just elect virtuous politicians, all will be well. Despite our hundred year experience with popular elections to both the House and Senate, these well-meaning, concerned freepers imagine a Utopian, Platonic paradise where elected, wise philosophers administer a benevolent government that limits itself to enumerated powers, and resists popular demands for more goodies. Equating elections with freedom is a big hurdle for many freepers to overcome. These otherwise intelligent folks should refer to Einstein’s definition of insanity.

So, where is the answer? It is within our proven American tradition. Divide power once again between the national government and states. Restore the all-important vertical separation of powers through a return to federalism. Renew our republic; repeal the 17th Amendment.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; FReeper Editorial; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 17th; constitution; statesrights

1 posted on 10/18/2013 1:53:18 PM PDT by Jacquerie
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To: entropy12; Girlene; Resolute Conservative; VerySadAmerican; Nuc 1.1; Usagi_yo; MamaTexan; ...

Federalism Ping!


2 posted on 10/18/2013 1:55:45 PM PDT by Jacquerie (An Article V amendment convention is our only hope.)
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To: Jacquerie

I could get behind that!


3 posted on 10/18/2013 1:56:54 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set...)
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To: Jacquerie
There are over 3,000 counties in the United States.
Over half of the population live in just 146 of those counties.

Residents of these urban areas represent the majority of "we the people",
and dictate policy to the residents of the other 2,800 counties.

Currently, the representatives from the 4 largest US cities
can out-vote the total of representatives of 15 states entirely.

Currently, the representatives from the state of California
can out-vote the total of representatives from 21 other states entirely.


4 posted on 10/18/2013 2:06:27 PM PDT by Repeal The 17th (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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To: Repeal The 17th

This chart shows the margin of victory from the last election. I've seen other charts like this that show the actual votes. This one shows the differences.

-PJ

5 posted on 10/18/2013 2:11:21 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: Repeal The 17th

Here's a view of total votes.

-PJ

6 posted on 10/18/2013 2:18:54 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: Repeal The 17th

But that’s why the Senate has 2 per state, right? What I think is the solution is the Catholic teaching of Subsidiarity, which I learned about recently: That which can be done locally should be done locally, and tasks passed UP only as they cannot be done at the local level. (NOT the original wording).

Hence, schools should be controlled locally. The parents MUST be involved in their children’s education. Etc. I cannot stand some do-gooder in the state legislature or in DC telling me - what kind of dishwasher soap to use, or what kind of bags I can get groceries in, or what kind of TP I have to use.

I am sick to death of that kind of sticky-tar ‘help.’ Paid for by MY taxdollars by those who are supposed to be working FOR me.


7 posted on 10/18/2013 2:21:58 PM PDT by bboop (does not suffer fools gladly)
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To: Jacquerie; Political Junkie Too

My point being...
with the 17th amendment in place,
the states are no longer represented.
It is all about “the people”.
There are no “red states” and “blue states”.
The states don’t matter anymore.


8 posted on 10/18/2013 2:22:32 PM PDT by Repeal The 17th (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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To: Jacquerie

The answer is eliminate the opposition. This is exactly what the republican party is trying to do. In cahoots with the democrats. Their “opposition” is the Tea Party.


9 posted on 10/18/2013 2:26:35 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: Repeal The 17th
Quite right, yet Article V remains. We have tremendous power outside of the New Rome in Washington, DC.

I will be surprised if Ted Cruz does not bide his time for the proper moment to announce his learned support for an Article V amendment convention to repeal the 17th.

10 posted on 10/18/2013 2:33:58 PM PDT by Jacquerie (An Article V amendment convention is our only hope.)
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To: Jacquerie

Without outside stimuli all governments start off a ideological anarchy and end up a fascist totalitarianism.

It’s called ‘Mission Creep’.

Having 3 branches of separate but equal government (the triumvirate), each one selected to be representative from different segments of society and placed at odds with each other. Was designed to impede that creep — if not ideologically rid us of it completely.

When the 17th amendment was passed, it was thought to strengthen the hand of the people — because the people elect Senators right? And probably for a time it actually did, until continued industrialization, then the computer age with instant communications, instant money transfer transitioned the Senate — representatives of the states from which they came, to the Senate — a body of 100 people who represent the combined 50 states.

This is more executive, so the end result is the 17th shaved a little power from the legislature and by proximity the judicial (through advice and consent) and gave it to the Executive. Which makes us susceptible to a tyrannical party.


11 posted on 10/18/2013 2:47:00 PM PDT by Usagi_yo
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To: Usagi_yo

You make the situation far too complex.

Our framers knew exactly what they were doing when they create the two houses of congress, and what would happen if congress depended on popular elections.


12 posted on 10/18/2013 2:56:45 PM PDT by Jacquerie (An Article V amendment convention is our only hope.)
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To: Repeal The 17th; Jacquerie
Absolutely.

And it will only get worse if the National Popular Vote movment makes more progress. Then you will see those spikes in the few largest cities overwhelm the total votes in several states combined.

At least for now, the Electoral College prevents extreme vote tallies from leaking over into other states. A win by one vote in California is the same as a win by 1 million votes. With a National Popular Vote, all of those extra votes will count in every state in the compact, and therefore in every state in the nation.

-PJ

13 posted on 10/18/2013 3:03:14 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: Jacquerie

I like my explanation better and I don’t subscribe to the infallible theory about our founders.


14 posted on 10/18/2013 3:18:08 PM PDT by Usagi_yo
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To: Jacquerie; All

I will simply repeat what the Gipper said:
“I will vote for the most conservative republican who can GET ELECTED”.

Which means not necessarily the most conservative candidate in a primary, but some one who can get elected in general.

Only thing which can change the elite gov’t from DC is winning elections. That is easier than any constitutional changes or conventions. DO not nominate candidates like Akin and Mourdock. They were too old and not savvy in dealing with MSM who is always out to get conservatives.

I will only support candidates in 2014/2016 who I feel are quick on their feet, can deal with MSM like Newt can, and never have that deer in headlight look when asked gotcha questions like Palin.

This is especially true in liberal states such as New York and California. No point in looking for a candidate like Ted Cruz in those states.


15 posted on 10/18/2013 3:21:06 PM PDT by entropy12 (With no fear of re-election, Obama is becoming more radical left..thanks a lot all you who abstained)
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To: Political Junkie Too
In 2012, I called the morning C-Span show. The topic was the electoral college. The guest was a professor from Harvard, and he spewed the expected social justice nonsense.

I was surprised at how long the moderator let me go.

I had posted my research from the constitutional convention to FR and knew EXACTLY the who, what, why and when. The oh-so-pompous perfesser was left practically speechless, muttered more incoherence and the moderator rescued him.

God help us if NPV gathers steam. Democracy over a wide continent and varied people means our end.

16 posted on 10/18/2013 3:36:32 PM PDT by Jacquerie (An Article V amendment convention is our only hope.)
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To: entropy12

Thank you for sharing your feelings.


17 posted on 10/18/2013 3:38:31 PM PDT by Jacquerie (An Article V amendment convention is our only hope.)
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To: Usagi_yo

Considering the Framers’ experience in war and early state constitutions, I think their design of Congress and its relationship to the other branches and states was superb.

Do you disagree?


18 posted on 10/18/2013 3:47:53 PM PDT by Jacquerie (An Article V amendment convention is our only hope.)
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To: Jacquerie

They made a fair compromise. They should have taken care of slavery and sufferage from the onset and they seemingly overlooked the problem of career partisans and they completely left out dissolution of the Union.

Other than that it’s the classical Triumvirate. The Supreme Court Justice, The President and the Speaker of the House.

The power and the influence of the Speaker of the House has been underrated of late. Speaker of the House is a very powerful position for the right type of individual.


19 posted on 10/18/2013 4:05:17 PM PDT by Usagi_yo
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To: Usagi_yo

I asked about the relationship of congress to the other branches and the states.

I think their design divided power sufficiently to prevent tyranny. Do you?


20 posted on 10/18/2013 4:14:42 PM PDT by Jacquerie (An Article V amendment convention is our only hope.)
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To: Jacquerie

Answering the question presupposes that I can do better. The fact that your asking it means they could have done better.

I can’t do better and they made the best deal they could at the time and given the climate of today, I would have liked to have seen better. Our government and our system is a lot different then what it was at incept so my answer is in regards to what we have today, not what we had.

Perhaps stronger roles for the Speaker of the House and to the Supreme Court Justice. Congress should have some enforcement powers over its enumerate powers and oversight roles that only apply to elected officials and political appointees.

Collective bargaining didn’t exist or wasn’t mature at the time, but it seems that something of the sort should have been thought of and that government employees both federal and state should be forbidden to Unionize and collectively bargain.


21 posted on 10/18/2013 4:38:59 PM PDT by Usagi_yo
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To: Jacquerie
"Undivided power inevitably leads to undivided tyranny. Isn’t that what we have? The three branches have, for all practical purposes, folded into one self-supporting mass."

Indeed!

I also agree that repealing the 17th Amendment is of the utmost importance. The states have been neutered by this farce. The people are represented by the house, the states should be represented by the senate as intended. We tinkered and fubar-ed the intent of our framing. It's like the nun who tried to touch up that old fresco.

I also would love to see an increase in the number of our representatives, it would throw a monkey wrench into all their grand altruistic dream laws and crony BS. We certainly aren't properly represented by the current number.

I am not pushing Mark Levin's book but I am certain that he has written a guide, the instructions, of how we can start to dig ourselves out of this mess. He is the only political talk person that I listen to with any regularity any longer. He offers solid solutions, a plan-- I trust him.

22 posted on 10/18/2013 8:01:34 PM PDT by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: Jacquerie

Yes that is some of what must be done. But there needs to be much more. The federal governments ability to enslave us must be broken. Repeal of the 17th would be a great first step.


23 posted on 10/18/2013 8:24:32 PM PDT by Nuc 1.1 (Nuc 1 Liberals aren't Patriots. Remember 1789!)
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To: Nuc 1.1

Bookmark


24 posted on 10/18/2013 11:40:28 PM PDT by publius911 (Look for the Union label, then buy something else.)
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To: entropy12
Which means not necessarily the most conservative candidate in a primary, but some one who can get elected in general.

Well recently the GOP-e has been a very poor judge of just who can get elected.

25 posted on 10/18/2013 11:46:09 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Irenic
Agree on more reps. We've had 435 for over a hundred years. Back then, our population was less than a third of what it is today. Today each rep has over 720,000 constituents, way too many. I'd like to see a doubling of reps. 870 is still manageable.

I hope Mark has adequate security. As Breitbart’s widow knows, the Left plays for keeps.

26 posted on 10/19/2013 1:40:09 AM PDT by Jacquerie (An Article V amendment convention is our only hope.)
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To: Nuc 1.1

Certainly more must be done. I like Levin’s additional amendments because they would make the government even more federal than the Framers’ plan.

Of special importance is cutting the nuts off the supreme court.


27 posted on 10/19/2013 1:43:12 AM PDT by Jacquerie (An Article V amendment convention is our only hope.)
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To: Jacquerie

So correct. Article III must be amended to eliminate judicial review. For those not familiar with the term it means federal courts reviewing laws for constitutionality. Using federal courts, the left has imposed its tyranny upon us and shielded its sedition and treason from lawful consequences, under the auspices of Judicial Review. More correctly Article III does not authorize judicial review so it must be amended to prohibit the practice. Adding state nullification into the mix would restore federalism to the judicial branch.


28 posted on 10/19/2013 8:12:32 AM PDT by Nuc 1.1 (Nuc 1 Liberals aren't Patriots. Remember 1789!)
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To: Jacquerie

Very well said, Jacquerie, as usual.

BUMP!


29 posted on 10/19/2013 9:48:38 AM PDT by shove_it (long ago Orwell and Rand warned us of 0ama’s America)
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To: Repeal The 17th; Political Junkie Too

Great graphics to illustrate the point!


30 posted on 10/19/2013 9:53:47 AM PDT by shove_it (long ago Orwell and Rand warned us of 0ama’s America)
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To: Jacquerie

Repealing the 17th Amendment is an excellent start. We are already in a one party system. Establishment republicans (which are most republicans) and democrats have a common goal: to keep our money and through that money their power centralized in Washington, D.C. There is no serious effort in Washington D.C. to repeal or change any of the Marxist amendments or changes made in the 20th Century.

It is Washington D.C. vs. the rest of the nation, not republican vs. democrat. The recent stand by Senators Cruz and Lee to seriously deal with federal government overspending proves that point. The republican party along with the democrats attacked Cruz and Lee for trying to force them to justify that federal overspending particularly in light of the cost of obamacare. And the result of this courageous stand: the debt ceiling got raised with no budget still, no changes to obamacare, all federal workers back to work, and business continues as usual in D.C. and it will continue that way in a few months too.


31 posted on 10/19/2013 11:09:06 AM PDT by Q-ManRN (Progressivism is regressive!)
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To: Jacquerie
I'd like to see a doubling of reps. 870 is still manageable.

I've been saying this for a long time, too.

In fact, I'd go further. If we want to create a new "shovel-ready" jobs program, let's convert Washington DC to a museum heritage city and relocate the capital to a new location, say Kansas City, and build it out to handle modern government needs.

Article I Section 8:


To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings;

Cede the District of Columbia back to Maryland (Congress returned the Virginia portion in 1846) and create a new Government District where we can break the faux "majesty" and sense of nobility that has arisen within our political class from living amongst all the marble splendor.

Build a new capital city that can handle a House of Representatives larger than 430 representatives. Build a proper infrastructure where there are enough offices for staff and other government departments, security, housing, transportation, etc.

Then, when it's done, we can annex Mexico and have enough room for another 20 or 30 states in the seat of government.

-PJ

32 posted on 10/19/2013 11:43:35 AM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: Nuc 1.1; Jacquerie
What do you think about the other part of Article III, "and in such inferior Courts as the Congress may from time to time ordain and establish."

What can Congress do today, without amendment, to change the shape and role of the lower courts in a way that affects the jurisdiction and control of the Supreme Court?

I don't think that this is a Congressional muscle that Congress has flexed very much.

-PJ

33 posted on 10/19/2013 11:48:03 AM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: Q-ManRN
Well said. It is them v. us. Cruz speaks the language of our founding generation, and the sad fact is that people like him and us are derided as radicals. I wouldn't be surprised if Cruz delivers a floor speech in which he calls for a return to federalism, a senate of the states. Liberal heads would explode and the nation would be somewhat forced to debate and hopefully realize what a horrible mistake the 17th Amendment was.
34 posted on 10/19/2013 12:00:22 PM PDT by Jacquerie (An Article V amendment convention is our only hope.)
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To: Political Junkie Too; Nuc 1.1
Nuc 1.1 would take things a bit further than I, but the larger point is an out of control court system.

I agree with you that congress has not used its Article III powers to check Scotus. Congressional power over pay, the makeup of lower courts and cognizance over jurisdiction are significant tools to check Scotus. Like the impeachment power, they just aren't used because controversy may threaten the reelection of reps/senators.

The reason is . . . back to the 17th Amendment. When the states were represented in the senate, Scotus was careful not to tread upon state toes. Congress could make life very difficult for federal judges. The 17th upended that, and effectively repealed the 10th Amendment.

If the states appointed senators, what is the chance a president would bother to nominate a judge who had a written history of hostility to the 10th amendment? Today, the federal courts are loaded with leftists who have no trouble flicking away state laws as if they were unwanted lint on a sweater.

35 posted on 10/19/2013 12:17:08 PM PDT by Jacquerie (An Article V amendment convention is our only hope.)
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To: Political Junkie Too

It would gladden my heart to move the capitol to Kansas City.

If for no other reason, Washington DC and surrounding counties would assume a level of prosperity equal to Detroit.


36 posted on 10/19/2013 12:23:06 PM PDT by Jacquerie (An Article V amendment convention is our only hope.)
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To: Political Junkie Too

I agree. The easiest thing congress can do is eliminate judgeships. As you pointed out they could elevate or subordinate different courts. I believe RINOs would side with dims and prevent the exercise of this authority. Recall the gang of 14. Beyond that most in congress probably don’t know they have the authority.


37 posted on 10/19/2013 3:43:47 PM PDT by Nuc 1.1 (Nuc 1 Liberals aren't Patriots. Remember 1789!)
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To: Jacquerie

I also agree with the elimination of the 17th. It would go a long way toward restraining judicial hubris. But alone it is not enough. The left would just say the courts are politicized and disregard their rulings. Just like they do now with rulings they disagree with.

I don’t believe the folks have any real understanding of what their government is at the present time. They are lawless. In the not too distant future the dims are going to understand that there is nothing stopping them from declaring a dictatorship. For the people of course. I will be surprised if 0 leaves office at the end of his term.


38 posted on 10/19/2013 4:12:10 PM PDT by Nuc 1.1 (Nuc 1 Liberals aren't Patriots. Remember 1789!)
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To: Nuc 1.1
And what would that meanif oObama refused to vacate?

We can't have a legitimate Article I Congress with an illegitimate Article II executive who violated the 22nd amendment.

If Congress allows a violation of the 22nd amendment, then what's to stop them from ignoring the 1st, 2nd, 4th, and 5th? What's to keep the People from retaliating by violating the 16th?

If Obama refuses to vacate in 2016, then I suspect that the sitting Congress will try to do the same. How can they justify holding an Article 1 election while simultaneously accepting the termination of Article II?

The only way a move like that plays out is in total chaos.

-PJ

39 posted on 10/19/2013 5:45:42 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: dfwgator

well...no one can bar 100%.

But just examine what happened in Delaware.
That RINO who was primaried by O’Donnell had 100% better chance of winning in General election that “I am not a witch” O’Donnell. He won umpteen elections before. In a state like Delaware it is stupid to nominate strong conservative candidate. O’Donnell proved that. And I sent her campaign cash!

It was the same story in Indiana. Lugar was a shoe in. Mourdock lost us Indiana.

I concur 100% with Tea party objectives. I wish their tactics were smarter. May be they are learning the reality of politics.


40 posted on 10/19/2013 7:02:00 PM PDT by entropy12 (With no fear of re-election, Obama is becoming more radical left..thanks a lot all you who abstained)
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To: Nuc 1.1
Last week, Congress gave up its last weapon, the purse. With that precedent, Obama is so close to gathering all effective powers, he can taste them. As he says, “all reasonable people agree . . . “
41 posted on 10/20/2013 1:28:23 AM PDT by Jacquerie (An Article V amendment convention is our only hope.)
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To: Jacquerie

I hope that is wrong. I too have heard those reports but the folks reporting it simply don’t believe it and indicate they will check into the report. However, in my experience, when the marxist dims are involved, the worst is always true.


42 posted on 10/20/2013 9:28:53 AM PDT by Nuc 1.1 (Nuc 1 Liberals aren't Patriots. Remember 1789!)
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To: Nuc 1.1
Mark Levin and a congressman from CA spoke of it. Obama threatened to default if congress did not give him a CR and debt increase. There's plenty of money every month flowing in to cover debt service, but the dictator threatened default and would of course blame the pubbies.

AND the next time the debt limit gets near, in 2014, Congress will have to vote 2/3 to override whatever Obama wants.

It is another reason why we should shift most of our focus on our state legislatures to press for an Article V amendment convention.

43 posted on 10/20/2013 10:36:03 AM PDT by Jacquerie (An Article V amendment convention is our only hope.)
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To: Jacquerie

I agree. Starting after my state reps Monday.


44 posted on 10/20/2013 11:53:51 AM PDT by Nuc 1.1 (Nuc 1 Liberals aren't Patriots. Remember 1789!)
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