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Americans Plan To Pay Obamacare Fine (Husseincare's 'affordable' part)
Fox News ^ | 10/19/13

Posted on 10/19/2013 2:38:26 PM PDT by Libloather

Selling the American people on ObamaCare was always going to be a big challenge. That's why it was passed all but in the middle of the night. Now, with the number of people who say they will opt out of ObamaCare and pay the fine instead growing - the selling of ObamaCare is only going to become more difficult, not less.

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KEYWORDS: affordable; fine; husseincare; obamacare
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Maybe they can wait it out until Hussein is gone.

Or go Amish.

1 posted on 10/19/2013 2:38:27 PM PDT by Libloather
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To: Libloather

Will they take EBT card for payment?


2 posted on 10/19/2013 2:39:43 PM PDT by big bad easter bunny (If it weren't for coffee I would still be living with my parents!)
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To: Libloather
HUACA - Hussein's Ultimate Affordable (or Unaffordable) Care Act


3 posted on 10/19/2013 2:40:39 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: Libloather
Obamacare Fine (Husseincare's 'affordable' part)

Well said.

4 posted on 10/19/2013 2:44:34 PM PDT by MUDDOG
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To: Libloather
The first year will be less than a hundred bucks.

The following year it will be much higher.

5 posted on 10/19/2013 2:47:27 PM PDT by Slyfox (Satan's goal is to rub out the image of God he sees in the face of every human.)
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To: Slyfox
The first year will be less than a hundred bucks.

Or 1% of your gross income, whichever is higher.

6 posted on 10/19/2013 2:52:07 PM PDT by RikaStrom ("To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize." ~Voltaire)
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To: Libloather
Obamacare does nothing at all to increase the number of doctors and nurses; it does nothing to lower the cost of health insurance; and the basic sign-up site does not work, so God knows what the rest of the IT will be like. In other words, this monstrously awful legislation was written by people who don’t know anything about health care, don’t know anything about health insurance, and don’t know anything about health care IT!

But, in keeping with the folks in charge, while they are blindingly ignorant, they don’t even know…that they don’t even know.

7 posted on 10/19/2013 2:57:23 PM PDT by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral.)
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To: Libloather

Social Security on steroids.


8 posted on 10/19/2013 3:02:18 PM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: Libloather

Sure, we’re opting out ... but who says we’re paying the fine?
It’s a free citizen’s duty to resist unjust laws.


9 posted on 10/19/2013 3:03:17 PM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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To: Libloather

ObamaCare fine Roberts Tax


10 posted on 10/19/2013 3:05:00 PM PDT by Paine in the Neck (Is John's moustache long enough YET?)
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To: Paine in the Neck

I call it “RobertsCare.”


11 posted on 10/19/2013 3:05:24 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Libloather

The Obamacare planners expected sheeple, not a herd of cats. There’s a lot of rebellion going on. If nothing else adds to the Tea Party this “tax” will.


12 posted on 10/19/2013 3:06:26 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: tumblindice

They just take it out of your tax return.


13 posted on 10/19/2013 3:06:38 PM PDT by MattinNJ (It's over Johnny. The America you knew is gone. Denial serves no purpose.)
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To: tumblindice
Sure, we’re opting out ... but who says we’re paying the fine? It’s a free citizen’s duty to resist unjust laws.

Did you know the IRS will handles ObamaCare collections? And that the IRS hates Americans who are conservative? And that you're a conservative American tumblindice... Dots, dots, everywhere dots - wanting to be connected...

14 posted on 10/19/2013 3:08:55 PM PDT by GOPJ (Self-respect is the root of discipline...dignity grows with the ability to say no to oneself-Heschel)
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To: Libloather

Obama will simply increase the penalty to an outlandish amount and call it the spite tax.


15 posted on 10/19/2013 3:09:47 PM PDT by Toespi
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To: Slyfox

In other words...you’re being suckered in....and then try to get out...you can’t....just like SS or Medicare. They’ll follow you...take it out of your account. They have your SS No. They have YOU!!


16 posted on 10/19/2013 3:12:42 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: SkyDancer
Once you are "signed up," there is another issue that none of them have even considered: most of the "po" live on a cash economy (or a maxed-out credit card economy). They pay bills in cash---you can see them at the local power company or the banks.

Obamacare's idiotic exchanges are not set up to accept cash. What are they going to do, let you send in a bag of money? Uh huh.

17 posted on 10/19/2013 3:15:00 PM PDT by LS ('Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually.' Hendrix)
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To: LS

No, since you are unable to pay the IRS will fine you for your inability to pay.


18 posted on 10/19/2013 3:18:51 PM PDT by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral.)
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To: Libloather

Great. So instead of 30 million people without health insurance, we’ll have 200 million.


19 posted on 10/19/2013 3:29:09 PM PDT by mom.mom
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To: GOPJ

A lot more than most people know of the IRS tax collection procedures depends on self-policing: in other words, the government depends on people being basically honest.
Example in fact, the internet tax. How many Americans—who consider themselves basically honest—kept track of and paid all the sales taxes on internet purchases?
When conservative, basically honest people think they’re being screwed, they find ways to rationalize behavior they ordinarily wouldn’t participate in or condone.
230 +- years ago: Buy the tax stamps. Or don’t. Treason or liberty, take your pick.
Just sayin’....


20 posted on 10/19/2013 3:31:00 PM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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To: MattinNJ

You mean, out of your refund? Not if you pay taxes.
As a postscript to my message above, btw, all this correspondence is, what some writer labeled, & not too long ago, “pre-revolutionary.”


21 posted on 10/19/2013 3:35:25 PM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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To: MattinNJ

Contact payroll and tell them you want to change your W-4 so you have less automatically taken out of your paycheck.
So that you will owe income taxes.
I seem to remember doing that years ago—filling out the W-4 to make it so that I got a refund, back in my wage-slave days.


22 posted on 10/19/2013 3:40:17 PM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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To: Sacajaweau

Very true.


23 posted on 10/19/2013 3:40:32 PM PDT by Slyfox (Satan's goal is to rub out the image of God he sees in the face of every human.)
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To: tumblindice

PPS Hi NSA!


24 posted on 10/19/2013 3:41:22 PM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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To: Libloather

It looks like 0bama intends for JP Morgan Chase to pay for it, what with the fines for doing something the government told them to do—or else—in the 1st place.

“Give those poor folks CRA loans or we’ll...”
“What! You gave poor folks CRA loans? You, you....”


25 posted on 10/19/2013 3:43:07 PM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto!)
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To: Libloather

I wonder what Zero is going to do about the millions that work under the table and pay no payroll taxes.


26 posted on 10/19/2013 3:43:10 PM PDT by Fzob (In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock. Jefferson)
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To: Libloather
It is called shake-down or extortion.
27 posted on 10/19/2013 3:45:38 PM PDT by Redleg Duke ("Madison, Wisconsin is 30 square miles surrounded by reality.", L. S. Dryfus)
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To: RikaStrom

Can’t we just not participate? Just don’t sign up; if we get sick we go to Emer Room. They have to treat us. This is America and we don’t turn away those in need. PERIOD


28 posted on 10/19/2013 3:49:49 PM PDT by ncpatriot
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To: Fzob

Like his “undocumented immigrant” buddies?
This is another reason he’s anxious to get them on the tax rolls.
He knows they’re breaking the law here, as well, and will continue to under Obamacare. They have fatter paychecks than Americans to send home to Mehseko.
Ask Americans to choose between patriotism and their pocketbooks ... and what makes him think Mexicans will start complying with the law? Becoming citizens?
This is the same fallacy that led to the sub-prime housing failure: “Making un-credit worthy people homeowners will make them more credit worthy people.”


29 posted on 10/19/2013 3:50:31 PM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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To: mom.mom

Here in Upstate New York, Excellus just cut out of a Medicaid & family program. 200,000 people are being dumped in NYS by them....most in Monroe County....a Dem stronghold aka a welfare city.


30 posted on 10/19/2013 4:17:12 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Libloather

I’m not buying 0bamaCare and I won’t pay the fine either.


31 posted on 10/19/2013 4:32:35 PM PDT by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: Libloather
Americans Plan To Pay Obamacare Fine (Husseincare's 'affordable' part)

This assertion keeps popping up continuously the last several weeks.
Am I the only one who either understood (or misunderstood) the facts?

The $95 penalty, as I understand it, is just the first year penalty. From there, it escalates each year until it can be literally thousands$. Of course, that only applies to people with non-government jobs who pay net taxes.

The welfare component, people without a job (voluntarily or otherwise) and without assets, (the Medicaid and SSDI welfare population) will get total subsidies, so no effect on them now or ever...

Am I wrong?

32 posted on 10/19/2013 4:37:02 PM PDT by publius911 (Look for the Union label, then buy something else.)
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To: SkyDancer

Ok, but where do they get the money if you aren’t paying an income tax anyway? This has never been clear. They can impose fines on your REFUND, but I don’t see where they can get the money from you if you don’t have it.


33 posted on 10/19/2013 4:37:14 PM PDT by LS ('Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually.' Hendrix)
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To: MattinNJ
They just take it out of your tax return.

Adjust your withholding and there won't be any money due in a "refund." No sense giving the government an interest-free loan anyway.

34 posted on 10/19/2013 4:48:59 PM PDT by FoxInSocks ("Hope is not a course of action." -- M. O'Neal, USMC)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
Social Security on steroids.

NO!

Please don't buy into the fraud!

Social security was healthy.
And then they attached TWO 100-pound leeches on the 50-pound Social Security fund.

Medicaid and SSDI...

Try.
Just try to separate the Medicaid and SS permanent fraudulent lifetime disability from the user-funded real Social Security payments and Medicare.

It's all referred to as "Social Security" now. And you've meekly accepted and applied and perpetuated the gross lie.
Call it what it is. Welfare hidden in a legitimate program. If it were consistently listed separately, I and many other net-taxpayers would be happy.

35 posted on 10/19/2013 4:51:21 PM PDT by publius911 (Look for the Union label, then buy something else.)
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To: Sacajaweau
In other words...you’re being suckered in....and then try to get out...you can’t....just like SS or Medicare.

LOL!

HotelCaliforniaCare?

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!

36 posted on 10/19/2013 4:56:36 PM PDT by publius911 (Look for the Union label, then buy something else.)
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To: Libloather

So, if you pay the fine, you get nothing but the gratitude of the Democrats? Next, they’re going to come up with the Bigfoot Tax.

“Give us a hundred bucks, and Bigfoot won’t eat you.”

It’s a protection racket run by the government.


37 posted on 10/19/2013 5:07:41 PM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: TigersEye
I’m not buying 0bamaCare and I won’t pay the fine either.

Dude!
If you have no job, no savings or assets, you're home free!

Woooo Hoooo!

...Funny, everybody has figured that out except the Smartest Marxists in the world!...

38 posted on 10/19/2013 5:18:06 PM PDT by publius911 (Look for the Union label, then buy something else.)
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To: LS

You forget that the IRS >can< get blood from a stone - and if you don’t believe in resurrection just die owing the IRS ....


39 posted on 10/19/2013 5:28:46 PM PDT by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral.)
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To: publius911

The text of the law only allows the IRS to withold the “tax” from a refund. There are many ways taxes are paid that don’t involve W-4s and withholdings.


40 posted on 10/19/2013 5:42:29 PM PDT by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: RikaStrom
True. 1% of $50,000 is $500.

In 2016, the fine on $50,000 will be $1250.

"The [penalty] fee in 2014 is 1% of your yearly income or $95 per person for the year, whichever is higher. The fee increases every year. In 2016 it is 2.5% of income or $695 per person, whichever is higher.

In 2014 the payment for uninsured children is $47.50 per child. The most a family would have to pay in 2014 is $285.

You make the payment when you file your 2014 taxes, which are due in April 2015."

41 posted on 10/19/2013 5:50:34 PM PDT by rawhide
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To: MattinNJ

I don’t even think they’ll go to that trouble; they will just go directly into your bank account.


42 posted on 10/19/2013 6:21:42 PM PDT by incredulous joe ("No road is too long with good company" Turkish Proverb)
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To: Libloather

Then number who will pay the fine is going to go up astronomically as people find out what their premiums are going to be to buy mandated Obamacare policies.


43 posted on 10/19/2013 8:55:10 PM PDT by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: Libloather

Or Christian Science.


44 posted on 10/19/2013 9:19:45 PM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: rawhide

If you make too much for a subsidy but insurance isn’t affordable for you, then there is no penalty assessed. I think many Freepers may fit this criteria.


45 posted on 10/19/2013 9:37:03 PM PDT by Prince of Space (Be Breitbart, baby. LIFB.)
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To: dfwgator

I call it “DemocratCare”, and we should all be calling it that for the next two election cycles.


46 posted on 10/19/2013 10:00:42 PM PDT by The Duke
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To: The Duke

Why? It looks like a blatant rip-off of RomneyCare.


47 posted on 10/19/2013 10:31:52 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator
Well, the reason to call it "DemocratCare" is so that everyone with a '(D)' by their name gets tarred with it in the next election, of course.

And in this case what can be more just?

48 posted on 10/20/2013 6:26:43 AM PDT by The Duke
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To: LS
Ok, but where do they get the money if you aren’t paying an income tax anyway?

From you and me. You know, productive people. It's all part of our 'skin in the game', dontcha see?

49 posted on 10/20/2013 6:32:59 AM PDT by Colonel_Flagg (Some people meet their heroes. I raised mine. Go Army.)
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To: Libloather

If the government is so caring of the public and wants the best for us, why did they hire such a funky company to create the Obamacare web site?


50 posted on 10/20/2013 6:40:53 AM PDT by jetson
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