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The Poor Get Caught in Tobacco's Grip as They Stuggle With Hunger
The Lakeland Ledger via The Philadelphia Inquirer ^ | Saturday, October 19, 2013 | ALFRED LUBRANO

Posted on 10/20/2013 5:43:53 AM PDT by Sam's Army

Many people smoke after they've eaten. Lindell Harvey smokes because he hasn't.

"You smoke out of anxiety because you don't have the food you need," said Harvey, 54, who lives alone in Crum Lynne, Pa. He receives disability checks from the Navy that keep him $2,000 below the poverty line.

Harvey relies on his Newports to see him through his hard days. "In my mind, the smoking becomes a comfort as I try to create ways to get food."

(Excerpt) Read more at theledger.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: crumlynne; democrattaxcode; excisetax; excisetaxes; lindellharvey; pennsylvania; secondhandsmoke; tobacco; welfaresmokes
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1 posted on 10/20/2013 5:43:53 AM PDT by Sam's Army
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To: Sam's Army

“You smoke out of anxiety because you don’t have the food you need,”

Wow. Winner of the most ignorant statement ever! Cigarettes are an expensive habit. I’m not knocking it, I’m just stating the financial truth. If this person can spend $5/day on them, then he can buy food. His diet wouldn’t have much variety but he wouldn’t starve.

Five dollars also buys a lot of vegetable and fruit seeds. Grass clipping and newspaper mulch are free. Just sayin’.


2 posted on 10/20/2013 5:48:00 AM PDT by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: Sam's Army

I’m sure there are additional subsidies to be had for abusing mind-altering substances. Poor guy just has the wrong addiction from a progressive standpoint.


3 posted on 10/20/2013 5:50:04 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: Sam's Army

You can buy a lot of staples on a $6 a day smoking habit, this so called Journalist will garner no sympathy from me.


4 posted on 10/20/2013 5:50:25 AM PDT by DAC21
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To: Sam's Army

Eat your cigarettes, problem solved. So they are unable to logically make a choice eat or smoke. I guess this is another job for government at the tax payers cost


5 posted on 10/20/2013 5:51:30 AM PDT by ronnie raygun
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To: Sam's Army
Where does one begin with an article like this? I guess this is as good of a start as any to highlight:

"Even as health insurance comes to the poor through the Affordable Care Act, smoking remains a problem: Smokers may be charged a premium of up to 50 percent..."

So, "Minorities & Poor Hit Hardest" raises its head once again. Yet, Obamacare of course solves nothing.

6 posted on 10/20/2013 5:51:54 AM PDT by Sam's Army
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To: goodwithagun

The vast majority of that $5.00 goes to... government in the form of taxation.

Those evil progressives are stealing food off his plate.


7 posted on 10/20/2013 5:52:40 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: Sam's Army

What a hardship to have to choose between food and ciggies.

The poor should get free cigs. Allow cigs to be purchased with EBT cards. Where are Rangel and Sharpton? They should be advocating for this.

No cigs for the middle class, though. If they smoke, they’re evil.


8 posted on 10/20/2013 5:54:55 AM PDT by randita
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To: Sam's Army

Translation: It is my fault that he makes bad decisions.


9 posted on 10/20/2013 5:56:48 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: Sam's Army

Bet they also spend money on lottery tickets?


10 posted on 10/20/2013 5:56:57 AM PDT by TruthWillWin (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other peoples money.)
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To: Sam's Army

Poor people in Africa or Haiti don’t smoke two packs of cigs a day. When they get that poor, then I might care.

I’d like to know the nature of his disability too. My guess is there is some type of work he could do.


11 posted on 10/20/2013 5:57:30 AM PDT by boycott
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To: goodwithagun
Tobacco is not that difficult to grow. I don't spend anything like $5/day on cigarettes. I do have to spend some time out in the garden, though.

/johnny

12 posted on 10/20/2013 5:58:57 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

You’ve mentioned this before. Would what you grow be suitable for dip? We don’t have the climate (Ohio Valley) for tobacco, so I’m just curious.


13 posted on 10/20/2013 6:00:50 AM PDT by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: RegulatorCountry

We should be building monuments to smokers. Their taxes pay for so much and they don’t even know it. Schools are supposed to teach students the evils of tobacco, yet those school buildings exist because of tobacco.


14 posted on 10/20/2013 6:02:54 AM PDT by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: goodwithagun

Cigs $5, bag of potatoes $5.

We are spending $50k per person on the poor and they are still going hungry? Time to identify the real reasons.


15 posted on 10/20/2013 6:04:02 AM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: goodwithagun
Processing is what makes dip vs chewing tobacco vs cigarette tobacco.

Tobacco grows in every state in the union from Texas to Alaska, you just have to pick your time.

/johnny

16 posted on 10/20/2013 6:04:37 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Sam's Army

Yikes. Cigs in this area run around $7.00/pack. That’s a lot of rice, chicken and beans for one day.


17 posted on 10/20/2013 6:05:10 AM PDT by mrs. a (It's a short life but a merry one...)
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To: Sam's Army

We’ve got food stamps. Why not tobacco stamps?


18 posted on 10/20/2013 6:06:57 AM PDT by boycott
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To: mrs. a
It doesn't have to cost that much.

/johnny

19 posted on 10/20/2013 6:07:15 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Sam's Army

Newports are expensive. He should save some money and roll his own. Bulk tobacco is cheap.


20 posted on 10/20/2013 6:07:21 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: DAC21
You can buy a lot of staples on a $6 a day smoking habit, this so called Journalist will garner no sympathy from me.

Cigarettes cost about $7 a pack in Pennsylvania. This guy smokes two packs a day when he has the money. Fourteen bucks a day can buy plenty of nutrition.

The inverse relationship between wealth and smoking can be seen every day. Cheap bars and restaurants inevitably have "smoking porches" where patrons can duck out and take a drag. More expensive places tend not to have them, and don't need them.

21 posted on 10/20/2013 6:08:20 AM PDT by southernnorthcarolina ("Better be wise by the misfortunes of others than by your own." -- Aesop)
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To: Sam's Army
It says there is more asthma in the black community because of smoking. My brother and I sure suffered with asthma aggravated by our parents constant smoking. There was at least one cig burning in our house or car every minute my parents were awake.

I get annoyed with the “second hand smoke” meme. Yes the smoke that comes out of their lungs could be considered 2nd hand but how about the smoke that comes off the burning end of the cig? That is pure 1st hand smoke and everyone around smokers is smoking it!

22 posted on 10/20/2013 6:11:03 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: SampleMan

I posted something similar on another thread. A #10 bag of potatoes can be had for $1.49 at our Aldi. A #1bag of rice or beans is under one dollar at Walmart. A generic #5 bag of flour or sugar is just under $2.50 each. A container of whole oats is cheaper than, lasts longer than, and is more nutritious than a box of cereal. if I had to feed all five of us (granted baby girl is only six weeks old) for $10/day I could.


23 posted on 10/20/2013 6:11:05 AM PDT by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: Sam's Army

Smoking is an addiction......addictions to anything always has priority. When one doesn’t have their “fix” anxiety and physical withdrawal symptons begin. So of course they’re going to choose cigs. over food.

I find it interesting that people who eat too much often do so to “comfort” their anxiety as well. They “wear” their addictive habit via pounds of unwanted flesh.

I have a friend who has fought her emotional eating for years. If happy she eats, if sad she eats, no matter what emotion food is her “friend”.

I think it’s similar for people who smoke. It’s routine and equally as enjoyable.


24 posted on 10/20/2013 6:12:34 AM PDT by caww
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To: JRandomFreeper

Interesting. This might be a fun garden experiment for the kids.


25 posted on 10/20/2013 6:13:09 AM PDT by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: goodwithagun

The Ohio valley is the most perfect climate for tobacco in the world. Kentucky burley is the world’s gold standard.


26 posted on 10/20/2013 6:14:30 AM PDT by Tail Gunner John
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To: goodwithagun

5 dollars a day is 150 dollars a month or 35 dollars a week.
35 dollars a week gets me a loaf of bread, a gallon of milk 1/2 gallon orange juice a dozen eggs, and a pound of bacon, 2 pounds of hamburger, a small pork loin roast, a couple of packages of frozen vegetables, a pound of peanut butter, some condiments, butter, and some fruit to round it all out.

The condiments and peanut butter will carry over to the next week when I can do the above or buy dry cereals or oatmeal, get several bags of dried beans and vary other purchases to include soups. Chicken is still relatively cheap even if one must have the more “expensive” skinless boneless chicken breasst. As a matter of fact, I could live fairly well on 100 dollars a month food wise and use the 50 dollars saved to have a basic internet with which to hammer leftists with on line!

In short, if one knows how to cook, one can eat well on very basic items for 35 dollars a week. You won’t eat steak regularly, but one could enjoy a good pasta with sauce and have some left over for the next day as well. I do most of the shopping in my house and the basic items aren’t suffering as much with inflation as are the frilly prepared foods and fancy meats and deli items. 10lbs of yellow potatoes are about 3.50 at my stores and can last a single individual a whole month.

And as you stated, one can buy seeds and grow a heck of lot more fresh.


27 posted on 10/20/2013 6:14:59 AM PDT by mdmathis6
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...

Thanks Sam's Army.
"You smoke out of anxiety because you don't have the food you need," said Harvey, 54, who lives alone in Crum Lynne, Pa.
I know a panhandler who states that one has to be "stupid" to "starve" in this town, and I don't ever buy into any sob stories of this kind anywhere in this country. Fill out a form, qualify, boom, EBT card for food -- and it isn't hard to qualify, and food assistance is exempt from sanction (sanctions on grants happen when a client failed to report some change, like, oh, the kid no longer lives in the house). In this case, I don't buy it, not least because of the price of cigarettes and the speed with which they burn. This story is probably just part of the partisan media's meme-building program for the ag bill.


28 posted on 10/20/2013 6:16:57 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's no coincidence that some "conservatives" echo the hard left.)
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To: Ditter

<...”I get annoyed with the “second hand smoke”....>

You can always leave the room. I get annoyed with people who complaining about smokers. Currently overweight people create more health problems than smokers...so it’s good to know those facts.

I say each to his own...if you have a health issue which being around smokers aggrivates...well that is YOUR problem. So you stay away from places where people smoke....problem solved.

Gov. needs to stay out of peoples business period.


29 posted on 10/20/2013 6:18:43 AM PDT by caww
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To: SunkenCiv

Story is ridiculous....there are many places one can get food...we all know this. So it’s not a choice between food and cigs.


30 posted on 10/20/2013 6:20:18 AM PDT by caww
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To: Tail Gunner John; JRandomFreeper

Learned something new today! Thanks guys!


31 posted on 10/20/2013 6:20:55 AM PDT by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: SampleMan

Pound box of spagetti, $1.00 on sale.

Bag of frozen mixed asian veggies, 2.00 on sale.

Soy sauce, 1.00. Small head of cabbage: 1.00
Other seasonings, on hand.

Makes a lot of pancit and enough for three days for one person.


32 posted on 10/20/2013 6:22:15 AM PDT by OpusatFR
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To: goodwithagun

There are varieties of tobacco suitable for your climate. It grows in Canada, several of my friends made nice money spending summers up there helping manage the crop, back in the eighties.

If you can grow petunias or nicotania, you can grow their cousin, tobacco.


33 posted on 10/20/2013 6:22:37 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: caww
.there are many places one can get food

True. My brother is hunting this morning. He's particularly looking for an 80 lb feral pig for me.

That's a lot of free meat, and all I have to do is process it.

/johnny

34 posted on 10/20/2013 6:23:18 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: caww

All my life (I am 73) I always did leave the room without complaint but now there are more of us than there are of you so the tables have turned. Deal with it.


35 posted on 10/20/2013 6:23:53 AM PDT by Ditter
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"Excise: a hateful tax levied upon commodities and adjudged not by the common judges of property but wretches hired by those to whom excise is paid" -- Ben Jonson


36 posted on 10/20/2013 6:25:25 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's no coincidence that some "conservatives" echo the hard left.)
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To: Sam's Army

A quintessential liberal conundrum.

Smoking relieves stress, cigarettes raise revenue, cigarette advertising encourages the poor to smoke, many have to choose between smoking and eating, the poor spend a higher percentage of income on smoking, ...

A quintessential liberal conundrum — a good liberal can take either side and feel good about it.

Smoke ‘em if you’ve got ‘em. Don’t smoke because smoking is bad.

[Disclaimer: I smoked for 4 decades. I quit in January 2003. I have empathy for smokers, but smokers can quit — if they really want to.]


37 posted on 10/20/2013 6:29:24 AM PDT by TomGuy (.)
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To: Sam's Army

“If they would rather die, they had better do it, and decrease the surplus population.”


39 posted on 10/20/2013 6:31:36 AM PDT by Autonomous User (Pain Fades. Chicks Dig Scars. Glory, lasts forever.)
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To: Sam's Army

“You smoke out of anxiety because you don’t have the food you need,”

And I keep hitting myself on my head with a hammer because it feels so good when I stop.

It’s the chemical addiction altering his better judgement. I used to be a heavy smoker and drinker and I am speaking from experience. Just about any lame excuse worked to keep my addictions going.


40 posted on 10/20/2013 6:34:28 AM PDT by redfreedom (Republicans = The faux conservative wing of the democrat party.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

What are those seven leaf plants in the background? ;^)


41 posted on 10/20/2013 6:34:45 AM PDT by DeepInTheHeartOfTexas
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To: Tail Gunner John

In the world? I thought Vinales in Pinar del Río had that claim.


42 posted on 10/20/2013 6:35:18 AM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: DeepInTheHeartOfTexas
Only thing in the background is squash and tomato plants. ;) I don't grow any of that left-hand tobacco around here.

/johnny

43 posted on 10/20/2013 6:36:20 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Sam's Army

Don’t cigarettes cost about 6 bucks a pack? What’s that? The World’s Smallest Violin.....


44 posted on 10/20/2013 6:36:33 AM PDT by FrdmLvr
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To: caww
” ArmySmoking is an addiction......addictions to anything always has priority. When one doesn’t have their “fix” anxiety and physical withdrawal symptons begin. So of course they’re going to choose cigs. over food.”

I have read a lot about POW camps in WWII. It has always surprised me how many near starvation inmates would still trade some of their food for tobacco when some was available.

45 posted on 10/20/2013 6:36:42 AM PDT by CrazyIvan (Obama phones= Bread and circuits.)
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To: Ditter

I grew up on a tobacco farm, Tobacco is a weed. It will grow anywhere. As a crop it is labor intensive, and cigarettes are blends of different kinds of tobacco.
Most of those who smoke would find the tobacco they grow to be pretty coarse compared to cigarettes. The same with chewing tobacco, It is mixed with sugars and other ingredients, but yes. You can chew it right from the leaf.

I was upset when they started outlawing smoking I bars and public places, but now I kind of like going places without my eyes burning and a dry throat from smokers. I have never smoked I suppose because my father and mother never smoked, and I never saw much to the habit.

If this guy has money to buy cigarettes there is no excuse for his being hungry.


46 posted on 10/20/2013 6:36:58 AM PDT by Venturer (Keep Obama and you aint seen nothing yet.)
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To: redfreedom

“I keep hitting myself in the head with a hammer because it feels so good when I stop”>>>>>>>

LOL! That is going to made me laugh all day, great line!


47 posted on 10/20/2013 6:37:38 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: Sam's Army

Hmmmm. That brings up a new issue: How are the homeless going to register for Obamacare? If they don't sign up, how will they pay their fines, since they probably don't file income tax forms.


48 posted on 10/20/2013 6:37:57 AM PDT by TomGuy (.)
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To: CrazyIvan
Whoops. Didn't crop that quote correctly. Lose “Army”
49 posted on 10/20/2013 6:38:44 AM PDT by CrazyIvan (Obama phones= Bread and circuits.)
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To: Sam's Army

Obamacare should allow docs to write prescriptions for medicinal smokes.


50 posted on 10/20/2013 6:41:33 AM PDT by moovova
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