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California's $68 Billion High-Speed Rail .. Would 'Span the State'
NewsBusters. ^ | October 20, 2013 | Tom Blumer

Posted on 10/20/2013 5:42:01 PM PDT by george76

In a Sunday morning report which tries to put the best possible face on a project which appears to be on track to make the $22 billion "Big Dig" in Massachusetts look like a petty cash disbursement, Juliet Williams at the Associated Press claimed that the $68 billion involved thus far "would span the state." No it wouldn't, unless all of the formerly Golden State north of the San Francisco Bay Area — roughly one-fourth of the state's land mass — were to secede.

Williams also wrote: "Voters in 2008 approved $10 billion in bonds to start construction on an 800-mile rail line to ferry passengers between San Francisco and Los Angeles in 2 hours and 40 minutes." Nope. It's an 800-mile rail "network" (quoting from the state's ballot measure guide) which was supposed to include San Diego to the south (see the top left at Page 6 at the link), and apparently now does not. In other text seen below, she cited that 2008 proposition, which carried by a margin of 52.7% to 47.3%, as evidence that voters "overhelmingly approved" the project.

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If, as the judge ruled, the rail authority's plan does not identify all private funding sources, that indeed breaks a promise made to voters in 2008 .

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: California; US: District of Columbia; US: Massachusetts
KEYWORDS: govtmicromanagement; highspeedrail; highspeedtrains; hsr; lofan; overspending; sanfrancisco
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AP Claims California's $68 Billion High-Speed Rail Got 'Overwhelming' Voter Approval (of 52.7%), Would 'Span the State'

1 posted on 10/20/2013 5:42:01 PM PDT by george76
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To: george76

And the billions in kickbacks and graft will span the entire Democrat Party


2 posted on 10/20/2013 5:44:01 PM PDT by digger48
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To: digger48

Starting with Senator Diane Finestein and her husband.


3 posted on 10/20/2013 5:51:00 PM PDT by Rumplemeyer (The GOP should stand its ground - and fix Bayonets)
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To: george76

This is a damn joke. If you think I would go to a station park my car and pay parking charges you are full of it. Then take this piece of speedy crap to the destination get off and hire a cab to and from my only point of contact, reverse all the crap and get home when I decided I would have paid ten times what it would cost me to just drive and I would have transportation at destination to very my visit.


4 posted on 10/20/2013 5:54:13 PM PDT by Logical me
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To: george76

$68 Billion seems like a lot of money to me, even if they were going to do it within budget.

But the ongoing subsidies are going to be the gift that keeps giving here if it gets up and running.


5 posted on 10/20/2013 5:56:40 PM PDT by I_Like_Spam
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To: george76

Get to LA in 2h 40m ...

Then get to where? and how long will that take?????

There is NO logical way this will work.

It’s all about the money.


6 posted on 10/20/2013 5:57:11 PM PDT by Scrambler Bob ( Concerning bo -- that refers to the president. If I capitalize it, I mean the dog.)
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To: Logical me

Conduct the meeting via teleconferencing.

Problem solved.


7 posted on 10/20/2013 5:58:46 PM PDT by Scrambler Bob ( Concerning bo -- that refers to the president. If I capitalize it, I mean the dog.)
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To: Logical me

Somehow, someone in the mainstream media will find a way to make your statement an example of racism.

It’s not, but that’s how the liberals roll.


8 posted on 10/20/2013 5:59:54 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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To: Scrambler Bob

The thought behind this is that it is somehow easier to get from the train station in downtown LA to your final destination than it is to get from LAX to where you are going.

I don’t that’s necessarily true at all, but that’s the logic.


9 posted on 10/20/2013 6:01:17 PM PDT by I_Like_Spam
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To: Scrambler Bob

The SEIU BART strike is their future ?


10 posted on 10/20/2013 6:01:45 PM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: Scrambler Bob

One good earthquake would take it out.


11 posted on 10/20/2013 6:01:49 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: george76

There were so many claims and promises that saw that first initiative passed, that the resulting document and associated law should be declared null and void.


12 posted on 10/20/2013 6:02:27 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (People will retain the power to control the Government, or it will retain the power to control them.)
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To: I_Like_Spam

trains are population control.

restrict movement means restrict property ownership.


13 posted on 10/20/2013 6:03:43 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: george76

#1-— This is just a huge scam to keep Democrat union buddies working on useless projects
#2-— the potential for Democrat bribes and graft are tremendous
#3-— Democrat Connected crony contractors will make out like banditos


#4-— there is not the passenger demand to fill these trains or make them anywhere near profitable
#5-— this is the Democrat cargo cult exemplified. That if you build these high speed trains like the sophisticated Europeans do then Americans will automatically get on them


14 posted on 10/20/2013 6:04:24 PM PDT by dennisw (The first principle is to find out who you are then you can achieve anything -- Buddhist monk)
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To: longtermmemmory
trains are population control.

Yep.

15 posted on 10/20/2013 6:05:11 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Scrambler Bob
Conduct the meeting via teleconferencing.

How are government agencies going to conduct "business" without all of the fancy lunches, dinners, 5 star hotels, resorts, and goody bags?

16 posted on 10/20/2013 6:06:01 PM PDT by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal the 16th Amendment)
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To: unixfox
How are government agencies going to conduct "business" without all of the fancy lunches, dinners, 5 star hotels, resorts, and goody bags?

Don't forget the whores.

17 posted on 10/20/2013 6:07:00 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: george76
High speed rail in an earthquake zone is not good.

18 posted on 10/20/2013 6:09:06 PM PDT by BitWielder1 (Corporate Profits are better than Government Waste)
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To: Scrambler Bob
And that's the thing (apart from the rest of the reasons not to do it): from a purely sociological/statistical standpoint, one can assume that stations will not be built in convenient locations due to the NIMBYs. So basically, even if the rail line is built, the stations will be in the middle of nowhere. I've seen it happen so many times I could spit.
19 posted on 10/20/2013 6:12:26 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: BitWielder1

High speed rail in an earthquake zone is not good.


I don’t think high speed rail will work in Cali, but Japan is more of an earthquake zone than California, and they’ve been doing high-speed rail for some time now.


20 posted on 10/20/2013 6:15:24 PM PDT by hanamizu
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To: george76
I don't miss Willie Greene.

Not a bit.

21 posted on 10/20/2013 6:22:50 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (Grovelnator Schwarzenkaiser, fashionable fascism one charade at a time.)
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To: Rides_A_Red_Horse
Somehow, someone in the mainstream media will find a way to make your statement an example of racism. It’s not, but that’s how the liberals roll.-

since San Fran is involved it would be homo phobic.

22 posted on 10/20/2013 6:23:32 PM PDT by Drill Thrawl (The Gubment Has No Legitimacy. It needs to be Removed!)
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To: hanamizu
I don’t think high speed rail will work in Cali, but Japan is more of an earthquake zone than California, and they’ve been doing high-speed rail for some time now.

The big difference between Japan and California is soil. Japanese soil is volcanic. Coastal California soils are mostly clay, expansive, unstable, and subject to liquefaction. Maintaining a stable railbed for a high speed train would be a nightmare.

23 posted on 10/20/2013 6:25:06 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (Grovelnator Schwarzenkaiser, fashionable fascism one charade at a time.)
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To: george76
High Speed Rail? How fast in reality? The High Speed Rail proposal that Gov John Kasich refused to fund in Ohio would in fact have been a net forty mile an hour slowpoke basically parallel to 70 mph I-71, only without the flexibility of leaving when you want to, and no provision to get you from the train station to your destination.

I have ridden trains across country and it can be an enjoyable experience, but it's not for getting to a business appointment on Monday morning. Central planners are brain diseased to think otherwise.

24 posted on 10/20/2013 6:27:34 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: george76
B/S.... This is ObamaCare with a locomotive pulling the wreck...

How do these Sacto-Ninnies plan to high-tail it over the Tehachapi Mountains ??? What about the San Andreas Fault? It will move suddenly someday. Even if you took the train, would you be any closer to your destination? Pfffttt.... idiots.

25 posted on 10/20/2013 6:28:46 PM PDT by ptsal (Repubicans swallowing more kool-aide from Rove & Kristol)
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To: george76

Governmental land grab of fertile agricultural fields..or they would be fertile if the state stopped dumping all the snow melt water into the Bay in the name of “protecting” the non-indigenous Delta smelt.


26 posted on 10/20/2013 6:40:33 PM PDT by informavoracious (Of course I want people to have healthcare, I just didn't know I was the one who would be paying...)
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To: george76

Wow! California must be rolling in extra cash.


27 posted on 10/20/2013 6:41:06 PM PDT by Old Yeller (Obama: A dark spot in this country's history.)
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To: informavoracious

Hedley Lamarr: Wait a minute... there might be legal precedent. Of course! Land-snatching!

Hedley Lamarr: Land, land... "Land: see Snatch."

Hedley Lamarr: Ah, Haley vs. United States. Haley: 7, United States: nothing. You see, it can be done!

28 posted on 10/20/2013 6:42:21 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Logical me

Exactly. Nobody walks in LA.


29 posted on 10/20/2013 6:57:52 PM PDT by The_Media_never_lie (Actually, they lie when it suits them! The crooked MS media must be defeated any way it can be done!)
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To: george76

Compare the population densities of Asian Countries and Manhattan to that of the state of California.

You will see why they can have mass transit.


30 posted on 10/20/2013 7:17:08 PM PDT by NoLibZone (The reason we are where we are today is the belief that posting on a website will fix the nation.)
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To: Logical me

Considering it is only going from Fresno to Bakersfield, good luck getting a Cab, and WHY would you go there anyway??


31 posted on 10/20/2013 8:27:56 PM PDT by eyeamok
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To: BitWielder1

Please don’t confuse the Demcoratic crooks and their dumbass voters with facts and logic. It is way beyond their paygrade.


32 posted on 10/20/2013 10:29:09 PM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: george76
$68 billion involved thus far "would span the state."

It appears they spelled DRAIN incorrectly.

33 posted on 10/21/2013 9:44:30 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: hanamizu

and they are packed in like SARDINES!!

https://www.google.com/search?q=japan+subway+pushers&rls=com.microsoft:en-US:IE-SearchBox&rlz=1I7ADRA_enUS475&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=bFplUovgJtet4AO50IDIBg&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAQ&biw=1366&bih=588


34 posted on 10/21/2013 9:46:31 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: dfwgator
Hope they don't run into any quicksand out there...


35 posted on 10/21/2013 9:52:46 AM PDT by andy58-in-nh (Cogito, ergo armatum sum.)
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To: andy58-in-nh
Mongo, why would Hedley Lamarr care about where the choo-choo goes?

Don't know. Mongo only pawn in game of life.

36 posted on 10/21/2013 10:00:50 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator

I envision Mongo as California’s Secretary of Transportation.


37 posted on 10/21/2013 10:07:16 AM PDT by andy58-in-nh (Cogito, ergo armatum sum.)
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To: george76

This is Willie Green’s most fantastic dream come true.


38 posted on 10/21/2013 5:16:40 PM PDT by Sgt_Schultze (A half-truth is a complete lie)
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To: george76
Widen highway right-of-ways to add dedicated lanes for high-speed buses.
39 posted on 10/21/2013 9:10:36 PM PDT by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: george76

The interesting thing will be to see how much money (if this thing actually gets built) will be required in annual subsidies to keep it from going bankrupt. No way am I buying this thing will be self-funding (i.e. getting enough in revenues to cover costs and upkeep).


40 posted on 10/22/2013 6:18:59 PM PDT by DemforBush (Of all the Thompson gunners, Roland was the best.)
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