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'Best and brightest' techies drafted to fix Obamacare computer glitches
Christian Science Monitor ^ | 10/20/13 | Brad Knickerbocker

Posted on 10/20/2013 6:14:01 PM PDT by NormsRevenge

Two big problems hit the Obama White House on Oct. 1: the government shutdown, which saw hundreds of thousands of federal workers furloughed, national parks closed, and other disruptions. And the launch of the Affordable Care Act, which was always going to be tricky.

The first problem was solved – temporarily, at least – when Republicans and Democrats worked out a stop-gap spending deal, also heading off (for now) a government default on its debts. By most accounts, the White House came out the winner, although President Obama was careful not to beat his chest too much about it.

The second problem – the president’s signature achievement so far, known as “Obamacare” – has only gotten worse.

The White House reported this weekend that about 19 million people have visited HealthCare.gov and 476,000 individuals have applied online for health insurance.

But officials have yet to say how many people have actually bought a policy. In any case, it's a long way from the 7 million people the administration wants to see enrolled for health insurance through online exchanges during the six-month sign-up period.

Computer “glitches” seem massive. USA TODAY reports that "the federal health care exchange was built using 10-year-old technology that may require constant fixes and updates for the next six months and the eventual overhaul of the entire system."

Obama, presumably, has been asking sharp questions of his staff.

"I think that there's no one more frustrated than the president at the difficulty in the website," Treasury Secretary Jack Lew said on NBC's “Meet the Press” Sunday.

The coming week should see significant political activity surrounding Obamacare.

Obama is scheduled to speak about it at a health care event Monday.

(Excerpt) Read more at csmonitor.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bestandbrightest; drafted; fix; glitches; obamacare; techies
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Maybe Nasa has some ideas.. or they could have a Beer Summit and have Sebilius buy.

Epic Fail The Sequel

1 posted on 10/20/2013 6:14:01 PM PDT by NormsRevenge
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I'll have a Bud Lite.


2 posted on 10/20/2013 6:15:39 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi)
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To: NormsRevenge

Does anyone still remember how to write code in Basic anymore?


3 posted on 10/20/2013 6:16:14 PM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (On the evening of 10/16/13, the ailing republican party breathed its last breath.)
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To: NormsRevenge

We’re talking about a stupid computer program. There is no reason for failure. We have millions of these programs...all devised to catch people at “whatever”...so we’ll all be criminals together.


4 posted on 10/20/2013 6:16:26 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: NormsRevenge

Spaghetti code, if that’s what it is to reflect the 2,000+ page law and 30,000 (!) pages of regulations, is not fixable.


5 posted on 10/20/2013 6:17:18 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: NormsRevenge

I can see it now. Hundreds of Ivy League professors put on the payroll to supervise a 16 year old kid to fix it. If one supervisor is good, hundreds must be “more better”.


6 posted on 10/20/2013 6:17:19 PM PDT by RetiredTexasVet (When His Arrogance talks out of his a$$, Harry Reid's lips move.)
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To: NormsRevenge

*sigh* You can’t throw 9 women in a room and make a baby in a month. (Old saying at my former employer) But they will try....until the finally realize that this monstrosity can’t be fixed this way. I wonder which of them will tell the Pres the emperor has no clothes.


7 posted on 10/20/2013 6:17:24 PM PDT by SueRae (It isn't over. In God We Trust.)
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To: NormsRevenge
“the federal health care exchange was built using 10-year-old technology that may require constant fixes and updates for the next six months and the eventual overhaul of the entire system.”

I'm sure that was built into the system by design. More money for Obies campaign contributors.

8 posted on 10/20/2013 6:18:23 PM PDT by bitterohiogunclinger (Proudly casting a heavy carbon footprint as I clean my guns ---)
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To: NormsRevenge
"I think that there's no one more frustrated than the president at the difficulty in the website"...

The president is signing up? Har har....laugh a minute this jerk is.

9 posted on 10/20/2013 6:18:34 PM PDT by TomServo
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To: bitterohiogunclinger

“I’m gonna write me a minivan.”


10 posted on 10/20/2013 6:18:46 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: NormsRevenge

And the WH got all this data from a screwed up website that doesn’t work. LOL


11 posted on 10/20/2013 6:18:47 PM PDT by Rodm
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To: NormsRevenge
I am thinking that some Solyndra engineers need jobs. Agreed, solar cells and software aren't quite the same. But who cares, they have tons money the American people don't know the difference.
12 posted on 10/20/2013 6:19:47 PM PDT by dhs12345
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To: NormsRevenge

They spent $600 million and did’t have the best and the brightest?


13 posted on 10/20/2013 6:20:25 PM PDT by cicero2k
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To: NormsRevenge

Best and Brightest = OFA script kiddies with confidentiality agreements.


14 posted on 10/20/2013 6:21:13 PM PDT by struggle
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To: Rodm

Wait until this monstrosity really gets going.


15 posted on 10/20/2013 6:21:25 PM PDT by dhs12345
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To: cicero2k
They spent $600 million and did’t have the best and the brightest?

How convenient, huh. Oh we only need another couple billion... (lather, rinse, repeat)

16 posted on 10/20/2013 6:27:26 PM PDT by Ezekiel (The Obama-nation began with the Inauguration of Desolation.)
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To: NormsRevenge

Biggest glitch is the out of reach pricing in return for the high deductible and lower quality of care.


17 posted on 10/20/2013 6:30:48 PM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God Bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: NormsRevenge

Let’s hope they do better than the morons involved with Fulfillment By Amazon.


18 posted on 10/20/2013 6:31:54 PM PDT by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: NormsRevenge

“The Mythical Man-Month” by Fred Brooks, first published in 1975, discusses the phenomenon that adding workers to a late software project only makes it later.


19 posted on 10/20/2013 6:31:56 PM PDT by informavoracious (Of course I want people to have healthcare, I just didn't know I was the one who would be paying...)
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To: NormsRevenge

the best and brightness understand how bad this is... and will embed bugs, back doors, and crashes all triggered by external means

should be interesting

meanwhile... where’d our $450m go??


20 posted on 10/20/2013 6:33:34 PM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: SueRae
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brooks's_law

Brooks's law is a principle in software development which says that "adding manpower to a late software project makes it later".[1] It was coined by Fred Brooks in his 1975 book The Mythical Man-Month. The corollary of Brooks's Law is that there is an incremental person who, when added to a project, makes it take more, not less time. Brooks adds that "Nine women can't make a baby in one month".


21 posted on 10/20/2013 6:34:20 PM PDT by RightGeek (FUBO and the donkey you rode in on)
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To: dfwgator

22 posted on 10/20/2013 6:35:02 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (21st century. I'm not a fan.)
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To: NormsRevenge; All

And a lot of GOPe support ObamaCare, refused to fight for defunding and even postponement


23 posted on 10/20/2013 6:37:05 PM PDT by SeminoleCounty (Fact Is: GOPe want ObamaCare.)
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To: Sacajaweau

In my experience it is much more difficult to fix someone elses code than it is to write it correctly in the first place.


24 posted on 10/20/2013 6:37:35 PM PDT by ully2
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To: ClearCase_guy

25 posted on 10/20/2013 6:40:28 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: cicero2k
They spent $600 million and did’t have the best and the brightest?

As with everything else with this administration, they no doubt looked to give the contracts to political cronies.

These cronies likely bought their BMW's and travelled to the Caribbean on our dime; why should they feel compelled to do the work after getting free money?

26 posted on 10/20/2013 6:41:34 PM PDT by what's up
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To: RightGeek

if you’re approaching a critical deadline... and the system is pure failure... adding more people can work. I say this with decades of experience

the trick is to identify and remove the failing pieces as you add new ones thru a strict filter to insure capability

I’ve been brought into many projects and turned certain failure into stunning success in short order.


27 posted on 10/20/2013 6:45:12 PM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: NormsRevenge

...The second problem – the president’s signature achievement so far, known as “Obamacare” – has only gotten worse...

The president’s signature achievement is working as planned. Destroy the private insurance industry and extort single-payer from the rubble.


28 posted on 10/20/2013 6:53:04 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: sten
Think of what they're having to model, though. We're blaming the programming (quite justifiably - nothing like that should ever break under first load) but in fact if you're trying to model the mess that is 0bamacare with all of its contradictions and exemptions, you've got your hands full before you ever write the first line of code. I wish the techies luck but I'm sure glad the thing didn't get dumped into my lap.

It could get interesting, though. What actually is happening is that programmers are going to have to rewrite legislation, or pick which pieces will be acted on and which, ignored. That's not exactly how government is supposed to work around here...

29 posted on 10/20/2013 6:54:18 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: NormsRevenge

Are they choosing repair people thru the same set of lenses that they used to draft the original language?

If so (and that’s probably the case), I expect more of the same incompetence with no remedy.


30 posted on 10/20/2013 7:01:07 PM PDT by Rembrandt (Part of the 51% who pay Federal taxes)
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To: NormsRevenge

and remember how in 2009 how angry the right/GOP got whenever we were seeing Obama/Pelosi/Reid pushing everything thru before even reading/testing it? LIKE SOLYNDRA and THE CHEVY VOLT !!!!


31 posted on 10/20/2013 7:03:23 PM PDT by Cruz_West_Paul2016
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To: NormsRevenge

This “glitch” is just another scheme to steal millions and give it to people who already have millions.


32 posted on 10/20/2013 7:04:11 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: SueRae

Actually if you put 9 women in a room and stagger their pregnancies, nine months down the road you could start having a baby a month. And that’s probably what will happen with obamacare. They’ll stagger it into the future.


33 posted on 10/20/2013 7:05:49 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: Billthedrill

the rule base shouldn’t be a big deal ... and can be done almost in parallel by teams of people

the core system interfacing to the users would also be trivial.

hell, during the same week they barely got 50,000 thru their system... a system I’ve got running at home was managing numerous requests, live, for 200k+ across the US and the EU. 200k+ unique people... multiple requests each.

all on a win7pro box that I got from a Panasonic division shutdown for $200.

I could easily get their bs running... or at least design / coordinate the teams to bing it together... but then I’d be no better then 0failure and crew.

sorry, but I won’t help bury my country for any price. unfortunately, there are many that will. principal and integrity are in short supply these days


34 posted on 10/20/2013 7:14:58 PM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: sten

Nice that your so confidant, but I doubt it. It has to interface with a dozen fed systems and some of the data it needs is in flat files....


35 posted on 10/20/2013 7:33:50 PM PDT by babygene ( .)
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To: NormsRevenge

36 posted on 10/20/2013 7:38:03 PM PDT by rawhide
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To: NormsRevenge

Drafted, eh?

Slave labor is always the most motivated. Or not.


37 posted on 10/20/2013 7:45:52 PM PDT by Professional Engineer (I am not cynical. /s)
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38 posted on 10/20/2013 8:41:43 PM PDT by dsrtsage (One half of all people have below average IQ. In the US the number is 54%)
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To: NormsRevenge

The best and brightest techies are the hackers so we can expect lots of embedded problems.


39 posted on 10/20/2013 8:54:43 PM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah, so shall it be again,")
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To: sten

I’m an attorney and a code jockey. The legislation is incomprehensible. The regulation is worse. How do you get usable requirements from a web of interconnected, cross-referenced, external law referenced, and intentionally vaguely written liberal fantasy law that nobody gets except their personal favorite parts? That’s where the rule base is going to come from? Not likely. No doubt that’s where at least some of the garbled data is coming from for the insurers. Other data issues are probably based on trying to match fields in assorted remote dbs that have a myriad of different normalizations, and fields that should match have the data in incompatible formats. But nothing is so irresolvable as unknowable requirements.


40 posted on 10/20/2013 8:57:05 PM PDT by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: babygene
and some of the data it needs is in flat files....

What data woud that be?
41 posted on 10/20/2013 8:59:40 PM PDT by 867V309 (Obama- he's just crazy enough to do it.)
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To: 867V309

much of the IRS data


42 posted on 10/20/2013 9:08:07 PM PDT by babygene ( .)
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To: struggle
Best and Brightest = OFA script kiddies with confidentiality agreements.

On top of that, wait until the entire system is supposed to "go live" instantly at every hospital, pharmacy, doctor's office, clinic, and government agency. And everybody logs on at once (like a Monday morning),and starts updating stuff. And expects the changes to be available instantly to the millions of people using the system. Massive crashes from traffic tsunamis that will happen from time-to-time. (Like "daily").

The system has to be built to handle peak stresses at least 100x greater than daily activity. Assuming it ever works with more than 4 or 5 real users logged on at any one time in the first place. Anything less than sub-second response time will lead to revolt. And I'm sure they have the safety and redundancy of the world's largest system outside of the NSA all figured out already.

This is the easy part, the slow manual entry of original data, with plenty of time (measured in months, rather than milliseconds) to get things right.

43 posted on 10/20/2013 9:32:42 PM PDT by 300winmag (Whatever CAN go wrong has already happened. We just don't know about it yet.)
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To: babygene

IRS? That’s hard to believe.


44 posted on 10/20/2013 10:34:52 PM PDT by 867V309 (Obama- he's just crazy enough to do it.)
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To: 867V309

“IRS? That’s hard to believe.”

look at in the context of the 80’s. The biggest disk drive was a couple hundred meg. Data was archived on 9 track mag tape... Even the drives to read this data were all gone by 2000.

Now they can store and sort a lot, but if you go back a few years they couldn’t.


45 posted on 10/20/2013 10:46:59 PM PDT by babygene ( .)
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To: Conspiracy Guy
Does anyone still remember how to write code in Basic anymore?

Sure. But Basic was abandoned totally when Windows took hold. Pity.
As an engineer, it didn't take me long to learn and apply it to solve every possible engineering problem, from Astronomy to structural engineering, hydraulics, coordinate geometry.
Even on Commodore 64s!

The best version I ever used, HP Basic, was never ported to truly fast microprocessors. I often wonder how far interpreted basic might have gone, or how popular it would still be, when run on a microprocessor with a speed of 3.4 GHz instead of 500 MHz.
Anyone, literally, with mastery of high school math could use Basic to do almost anything.

46 posted on 10/21/2013 12:08:35 AM PDT by publius911 (Look for the Union label, then buy something else.)
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To: dagogo redux
Let’s hope they do better than the morons involved with Fulfillment By Amazon.

Don't know what you're talking about.
Fulfillment by Amazon has worked for me for years with no glitches that I can remember.

47 posted on 10/21/2013 12:13:39 AM PDT by publius911 (Look for the Union label, then buy something else.)
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To: NormsRevenge

What would motivate the ‘best and brightest’ to ever want to kill this job?


48 posted on 10/21/2013 12:25:52 AM PDT by Radix ("..Democrats are holding a meeting today to decide whether to overturn the results of the election.")
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To: publius911

Don’t get me started. One of the absolute worst experiences of my life.

I suppose I’m just a moron compared to someone of your exemplary capabilities. I’ll try to do better in my next life. In this life, I’ve taken my business elsewhere, and am dang happy for it.


49 posted on 10/21/2013 12:26:13 AM PDT by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: babygene

file formats are a nonissue. encapsulate the format and move forward.

interfacing with multiple agencies are a non-issue... just define the gateway objects and move on.

it’s all data storage, data shuffle and business rules.


50 posted on 10/21/2013 12:58:52 AM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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