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Families suspect SEAL Team 6 crash was inside job on worst day in Afghanistan
The Washington Times ^ | Oct 20, 2013 | Rowan Scarborough

Posted on 10/20/2013 8:35:21 PM PDT by huldah1776

Questions haunt the families of Extortion 17, the 2011 helicopter mission in Afghanistan that suffered the most U.S. military deaths in a single day in the war on terrorism.

...snip... More than two years later, more answers may be forthcoming.

The House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, led by Rep. Darrell E. Issa, California Republican, is making inquiries after meeting with some families.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; US: California; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: afghanistan; benghazi; california; darrellissa; dod; extortion17; issa; sealteam6; waronseals; waronterror
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Long and Detailed. My heart goes out to the Gold Star families and friends of those sacrificed.
1 posted on 10/20/2013 8:35:21 PM PDT by huldah1776
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To: huldah1776

Bump


2 posted on 10/20/2013 8:38:29 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar
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To: huldah1776

If Issa is running this, nothing will happen. He has been turned.


3 posted on 10/20/2013 8:42:36 PM PDT by Drill Thrawl (The Gubment Has No Legitimacy. It needs to be Removed!)
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To: Jet Jaguar

I tend to agree. There were too many things that went wrong for it to not be deliberate.


4 posted on 10/20/2013 8:45:17 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: huldah1776; MestaMachine; Old Sarge; Michael Barnes; Mossad1967; Palladin; brucecw; ...
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5 posted on 10/20/2013 9:22:25 PM PDT by LucyT
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To: huldah1776

This article doesn’t go into the imam cursing the bodies of our guys, or how the DOD covered that up by giving the families a runaround as they tried to get video of the memorial service. There’s a LOT more to the story of what these families have been through, and why they suspect that the military is not operating in good faith towards them. That stuff all needs to be sorted out.

The question that continuously comes up with this regime is this: Were the deadly results deliberate, or were the people just so pathetically incompetent that they are just as dangerous as if they were enemy combatants? So which is it, DOD? Were these deaths deliberate, or are you just so incompetent that you could just as well be enemy combatants?


6 posted on 10/20/2013 9:34:40 PM PDT by butterdezillion (Free online faxing at http://faxzero.com/ Fax all your elected officials. Make DC listen.)
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To: huldah1776

Our guys were set up - that’s almost 100% for sure.

Now the question is why, by whom and how far up does the conspiracy go .


7 posted on 10/20/2013 9:44:01 PM PDT by rdcbn
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To: huldah1776
May 2013 FReeper thread here:

BOMBSHELL: Was the downing of SEAL Team 6's CH-47 helicopter an inside job?

8 posted on 10/20/2013 9:44:24 PM PDT by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (If Americans were as concerned for their country as Egyptians are, Obama would be ousted!)
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To: butterdezillion
What I find totally implausible was the official statement that the black box could not be found because it "washed away in a flood". TOTAL BULLSH!T!

Perhaps that chopper was taken down from the INSIDE, not by external means.

9 posted on 10/20/2013 9:49:01 PM PDT by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (If Americans were as concerned for their country as Egyptians are, Obama would be ousted!)
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To: Jet Jaguar; NorwegianViking; ExTexasRedhead; HollyB; FromLori; EricTheRed_VocalMinority; ...

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10 posted on 10/20/2013 9:55:56 PM PDT by Nachum (Obamacare: It's. The. Flaw.)
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To: huldah1776

There has been only one talker who has been on the Seal Team 6 incident from day one, and absolutely refuses to let it go. The guy everyone loves to hate... Michael Savage.


11 posted on 10/20/2013 10:07:12 PM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America

thanks for the link. The parents appreciate any and all sharing of info.


12 posted on 10/20/2013 10:12:57 PM PDT by huldah1776
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To: huldah1776

Such evil. Of course it was a deliberate, inside job. We have hard core Marxists in charge of our government. They are inhumane. It makes me sick. Thank God my son is out of Afghanistan and the service!

They are purging our forces of the greatest and most moral......the Christians and the virtuous/the dedicated/the excellent——for their homosexual Brownshirts/lesbian generals-—so they can use the military to run the NWO and Fema camps and kill off people who believe in unalienable Rights from God. They need immoral men/women/sodomites-—like Hitler’s Henchmen and the Bolsheviks-—it is why they promote Vice in the military now.

Machiavelli stated that it is most important to promote Virtue in the military. Evil militaries can never be trusted and will go after power and kill women and children for it. Sodomy is a vile, dehumanizing Vice—the narcissism is immaturity and creates disdain for women and children-—which only breeds more evil and more dehumanizing acts when their habitual acts get boring. Depravity knows no bounds. Little children will be brutalized-—they have no connections to Natural Law and God’s Design-—they despise them.


13 posted on 10/20/2013 10:13:59 PM PDT by savagesusie (Right Reason According to Nature = Just Law)
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To: savagesusie

At first I didn’t get the connection, but knowing the history of the “rumors” about the gay/lesbianism in the administration, their contempt of the military being honored for their patriotism and sacrifice makes sense. It is like when I think about seeing God, I would dive to the ground and plant my face in the dirt, whereas they would crucify Him, after spitting on Him.


14 posted on 10/20/2013 10:19:53 PM PDT by huldah1776
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To: huldah1776; All

After reading all the comments, I want to throw in my two cents worth.

When I first heard of the deaths, the first image in my head was Obama sitting in the Situation Room, with a pained and terrified expression on his face, while he watched the mission in real time.

People must consider that anyone who is becoming more and more like a dictator every day .. might see that mission as something scary. Not for the military .. but for himself. Unless the dictator/tyrant somewhat controls the media, will his fear of them become slightly less. However, if you go back in history, you will find that most dictators were terrified of their militaries .. and it sometimes ended up that their own militaries took them out.

I’m not trying to say our military would do that .. what I’m saying is that our current president has a terrible fear of our military .. and the mission he watched on video didn’t help his fear.

Funny thing though; while I have much admiration for all the Seals (and their families), there is another group who any leader of America should fear - Delta Force.

I have no evidence to support my supposition - but history does show that fear of a publically supported military is not something any dictator/tyrant likes to deal with.

Therefore, it seems very possible to me (considering the people surrounding the president) that some action toward the fiercest group in the Seals would seem likely. Just saying ..........


15 posted on 10/20/2013 10:52:29 PM PDT by CyberAnt (MY AMERICA: "... I'm terrified it's slipping away.")
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To: savagesusie
Your observations are correct:
"Last week came the low-key announcement that the Army is closing 13 Reserve Officers' Training Corps programs at colleges in mostly rural and conservative areas. This news has come as a shock to the colleges concerned. The official rational is that they were producing too few officers, yet many had been instructed to cut back on the number of cadets entering their programs. In place of these rural and conservative-leaning colleges the Army will switch its recruitment to New York, Chicago and other big cities. Columbia, Harvard and other 'elite' schools, which in the past closed their programs to protest the Armed Forces ban on homosexual activists, are now going to be opened for recruitment."
(see our blog October 7 for the context).
16 posted on 10/21/2013 12:36:04 AM PDT by Mr Radical (http://www.radical-and-right.org)
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To: CyberAnt

When we need them, who will do the job? Who’s in our corner and capable?


17 posted on 10/21/2013 12:44:49 AM PDT by itssme
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To: CyberAnt

Copy that.


18 posted on 10/21/2013 12:46:41 AM PDT by huldah1776
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To: Drill Thrawl
If Issa is running this, nothing will happen. He has been turned.

That is correct.
Issa is filthy dirty.

19 posted on 10/21/2013 12:52:33 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: savagesusie

“They need immoral men/women/sodomites-—like Hitler’s Henchmen and the Bolsheviks-—it is why they promote Vice in the military now.”

Reality check: Both the Nazis and the Bolsheviks were against homosexuality, treating it as a sign of the decadence of the capitalist system. As to morality and God, the Nazis did not want women to serve in the military, believed they should devote themselves to “Kinder, Küche, Kirche”, or Children, Kitchen, Church, and decried the effetism and moral rot of the Western democracies. In the Soviet Union, mothers of large families were given the “Mother Heroine” title and homosexuality was equated with pedophilia. So much for immorality.


20 posted on 10/21/2013 1:27:45 AM PDT by Skylab
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To: huldah1776

Someday, maybe we will know the truth.

For Free Republic, this is a personal loss. One of those SEALs was a Freeper. (For now, I’m not disclosing his Freeper handle.)


21 posted on 10/21/2013 2:51:30 AM PDT by OwenKellogg
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To: huldah1776

Justice and His will be done. Anchors Aweigh brothers.


22 posted on 10/21/2013 3:00:10 AM PDT by Vigilantcitizen
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To: OwenKellogg
One of those SEALs was a Freeper.

I wasn't aware of that. Only consolation is that he's part of Heaven's Chapter of FR now.

I still believe the Obama administration was responsible for this.

23 posted on 10/21/2013 3:04:26 AM PDT by McGruff (Mitch McConnell sold his soul for a Dam project.)
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To: savagesusie
Machiavelli stated that it is most important to promote Virtue in the military. Evil militaries can never be trusted and will go after power and kill women and children for it. Sodomy is a vile, dehumanizing Vice—the narcissism is immaturity and creates disdain for women and children-—which only breeds more evil and more dehumanizing acts when their habitual acts get boring. Depravity knows no bounds. Little children will be brutalized-—they have no connections to Natural Law and God’s Design-—they despise them.

I guess Machiavelli must have heard about the Syrian Army or the Rebels. I remember articles (1981) about Syrian commando training where they had to eat live snakes and tear the heads off of rabbits. I even remember the pictures. They were trained well as this is what they are doing to each other right now - excellent training, you savages.

24 posted on 10/21/2013 4:22:35 AM PDT by Netz
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To: Jonty30

This is the team that went in and killed Osama? Are any of the members that were on the Osama raid alive?

Why would our government want to kill these men?


25 posted on 10/21/2013 6:01:29 AM PDT by FreedomStar3028 (Evil must be punished.)
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To: FreedomStar3028
Why would our government want to kill these men?

We have no proof it was osama do we?

26 posted on 10/21/2013 6:03:52 AM PDT by angcat
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To: angcat

So, I’m correct? All the men involved on the ground at the Osama compound are dead? I was under the impression that this event was SOME of seal team 6...not all?

Could that be the proof whoever said they had that would impeach Obama? That Osama is really alive and it was staged knowingly by our administration?


27 posted on 10/21/2013 6:08:00 AM PDT by FreedomStar3028 (Evil must be punished.)
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To: SpaceBar

Jeff Kuhner ,who writes for The Washington Times, is also on the case along with his wife who is following the story. For those that don’t know, Kuhner does a talk show here in Boston from 6-10 AM. He’s terrific and pulls no punches.


28 posted on 10/21/2013 6:39:52 AM PDT by surrey
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To: huldah1776

Issa knows what to do, but he is too darned slow about doing it!!


29 posted on 10/21/2013 7:20:24 AM PDT by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-hereQaeda" and its allies.)
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To: FreedomStar3028

Probably Quid pro quo.

The administration may have gotten something in exchange for their lives.


30 posted on 10/21/2013 7:20:40 AM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: FreedomStar3028
That Osama is really alive and it was staged knowingly by our administration?

I believe this to be the case. The Seals had no idea who was really in that compound they all look alike anyway.

31 posted on 10/21/2013 7:24:17 AM PDT by angcat
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To: FreedomStar3028
BTW Osama was dead in 2004 killed in Tora Bora bombings.
32 posted on 10/21/2013 7:25:04 AM PDT by angcat
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To: angcat

One of the dads was on with Savage and said who knows if Bin Laden was really at the location where they claimed he was killed. He thought the crash was deliberate.


33 posted on 10/21/2013 7:34:08 AM PDT by surrey
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America
Perhaps that chopper was taken down from the INSIDE, not by external means.

There was a new Afghanis who supposedly took others' places aboard that day. Or the names on the manifest didn't match the bodies. Either way, yes, it was a set up.

34 posted on 10/21/2013 7:39:23 AM PDT by bgill (This reply was mined before it was posted.)
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To: huldah1776
of course the second tragedy is Larry Klayman ... Al Sharpton with a law degree .... I hope he hasn't taken this case to solicit funds for 'legal expenses' from friends and family and then just let it linger as usual ... this family of families doesn't deserve his usual treatment and I'm sure many will be watching the actions of Mr. Klayman

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35 posted on 10/21/2013 7:52:30 AM PDT by Elle Bee
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To: Lancey Howard
A lot of people say Issa will not get it done...

..but he is stonewalled at every level...

..Have you not seen how the administration refuses-(w/Holder's help) to give evidence if they don't want to....

...they pull every trick in the book to obfuscate their part in all of this.

36 posted on 10/21/2013 8:06:05 AM PDT by Guenevere (....)
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To: Guenevere
Darryl Issa is filthy dirty. Remember that first IRS hearing, a few weeks ago?

LOIS LERNER: "I did nothing wrong and now I am invoking my 5th amendment right to not answer any further questions."
DARRYL ISSA: "Well, okay then. The witness is dismissed and this hearing is concluded. Drive safely everybody."
EVERYBODY ELSE: "WTF...???"

Issa couldn't get Lerner out of that hearing room fast enough. It was surreal. Trey Gowdy jumped out of his seat like, Issa, are you freaking insane? But it was too late.

And now Lerner is gone and she'll never be back.

37 posted on 10/21/2013 8:14:05 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: surrey
I always said that myself. We were lied too and so were our wonderful men in uniform as usual. I pray one day Obama will reside in the bowels of hell.
38 posted on 10/21/2013 8:17:21 AM PDT by angcat
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To: huldah1776
It has always been my contention that the helo shootdown was an inside job and perfectly in keeping with the Left's hatred and vindictiveness regarding our military.

Someone inside the WH who perhaps was born in a muslim country and has connections to radical leftist and muslim groups used those connections to tip the Taliban about the Seal Team 6 helo. This was revenge for being cut out of the bin Laden raid which had been canceled numerous times through this person's influence on Obama. Remember, Obama was on the golf course when the bin Laden raid went down. Only one person was more surprised than he.

Check out this photo. Which top ranking WH advisor is missing?


39 posted on 10/21/2013 8:46:12 AM PDT by Dr. Thorne ("How long, O Lord, holy and true?" - Rev. 6:10)
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To: huldah1776

bump for later reading.


40 posted on 10/21/2013 9:05:45 AM PDT by Albion Wilde ("Remember... the first revolutionary was Satan."--Russian Orthodox Archpriest Dmitry Smirnov)
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To: huldah1776
Bttt.

5.56mm

41 posted on 10/21/2013 9:06:31 AM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: surrey

Jeff Kuhner used to be a frequent fill-in for Savage.


42 posted on 10/21/2013 9:40:43 AM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: FreedomStar3028; LucyT

This is based on what I have read not any direct knowledge so take it for what its worth.SO N S A KISS OFF,

SEAL team 6 has several groups they have color designations. The Red Squadron under took Operation Neptune Spear the killing of OBL, Gold Squadron was the group setup and sold out by The ISI and many others in this crash.

Again I read this in print it is not from any inside source.

I can’t tell you the level of greatness that was lost that night..


43 posted on 10/21/2013 10:00:45 AM PDT by crosslink (Moderates should play in the middle of a busy street)
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To: huldah1776

To date we have not seen one shred of evidence Bin-Laden was ever killed and they refuse to show the photo of his body.

Either they respect the enemy more than they do the 911 families or Bin-Laden was never killed.

And what did Matt Bissonnette say? The guy they took out looked nothing like Bin-Laden.


44 posted on 10/21/2013 10:01:41 AM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (What do we want? Time travel. When do we want it? It's irrelevant.)
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To: huldah1776; Travis McGee
From a May thread to another poster:

"I don’t see it as an inside job meaning the Obama administration. Possible but the more likely and obvious explanation is that Biden leaked the Seals out of incompetence and the Afghans identified them and took them out. Not buying this inside job theory."

I don't believe the conspiracy either. However, I do question why so many SpecOps personnel were on one bird. I also wonder why the Afgan personnel were changed at the last moment (if true). That alone could explain the whole catastrophe.

I highly doubt that the golfing, campaigning, self-arrgandizing, sh*thead in our Oval Office is actually involved in every military operation. Yes, Biden should have kept his big mouth shut, but I believe it was just "wages of war" that brought down that Chinook.

Remember, they were going in to backup/rescue some trapped Rangers. So there were many ragheads in the area. They have countless RPG's and probably shoulder Stinger guided missles.

However, again, I'm surprised SO many SEALs were on one plane. In my day in the Navy, the commander of the operation would not have done so. They are too valuable of a military asset to risk so many on one helo even if for our own. Our military has always tried to leave no soldier behind, but this op with so many almost irreplaceable warriors was just wrong planning by a politically correct commander, IMHO.

Last thought: If this was some kind of conspiracy by the Obambi administration or a DOD conspiracy, then I believe many active duty SEAL's would speak up. They are afraid of nothing. There's nothing Obambi or DOD or CIA or anyone that could scare them into not talking. There has been nothing but silence from them. They know it was a lucky shot by the enemy. It happens. That's why we have so many wounded warriors from Iraq and Aftganiscrap. It's called war. Shit happens.

45 posted on 10/21/2013 10:46:07 AM PDT by A Navy Vet (An Oath is Forever!)
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To: A Navy Vet

The witnesses have been ordered home, so how could any other SEALs talk?


46 posted on 10/21/2013 10:54:32 AM PDT by huldah1776
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To: butterdezillion

You have the right basic question. I’ve said from the gitgo that MAJOR incompetence was involved. There is no level of sabotage that could have done the damage by itself. Even a bomber in a mess hall couldn’t have racked up such a total. The stalling smells more of butt-covering than security concerns or anything else legitimate. Even the guys directly involved, and killed, had to know they were clusterflocking.


47 posted on 10/21/2013 11:08:05 AM PDT by cherokee1 (skip the names---just kick the buttz)
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To: angcat

Could you provide some evidence to back up this claim please?


48 posted on 10/21/2013 11:38:06 AM PDT by FreedomStar3028 (Evil must be punished.)
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To: angcat

Because you say it like you know for sure.


49 posted on 10/21/2013 11:38:25 AM PDT by FreedomStar3028 (Evil must be punished.)
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To: huldah1776; Travis McGee
"The witnesses have been ordered home, so how could any other SEALs talk?"

Really don't get your point about witnesses. I've known and partied with SEALs and know that if there was some grand conspiracy to kill their brothers, they would talk, at least the bachelors would. After re-reading the Washington Times article of May 2011, I'm certain the ROE (Obambi directed) was partially the reason that Chinook went down because they didn't have "gunship" support while going into an obvious hot LZ.

Remember, the Rangers were in an intense firefight. The enemy had the high ground and that's why backup was called in. Why so many SpecOps on one bird I will never understand.

The families are claiming that the more armoured MH-47 Chinook could have saved their SEAL's. That's not correct, because if you hit one of the top rotors, the aircraft goes down - hard. In this case it was a duel top rotor Chinook helo. Don't bother to argue that because I was an aviation rotorhead in my Navy years on LPH-11 (helo amphibious assault ship). I worked with Chinooks, Hueys, Cobras, Sea Stallions, and even VTOL Harriers.

I tend to believe it was the Aftganis who alerted the ragheads in the valley that backup was on the way for the Rangers. Or some stupid bastard got a luck shot because their were so many of them in the rocks. It happens. Remember "Black Hawk Down"? Those Somali savages brought down 2 of our Black Hawks with RPG's.

Ask a wounded warrior at Walter Reed hospital or near you how their buddies got killed or wounded. Most times they will tell you it was road mine or an ambush that couldn't be foreseen. Ask a Viet Nam air pilot how often our Hueys were shot down by lucky shots.

People try to make sense of war, and although I've never been on the ground I know many who have and the first thing they will tell you is to expect the expected. It's called, "Fog of War". Shit absolutely happens every day in combat. I don't believe that Obambi tipped off the Taliban to shoot this Chinook down. There would be too many in the chain-of-command who would be screaming it to high heaven, even with him firing so many flag officers of late. The further down the chain you go, the more non-political the military is.

Just accept the fact that commanders make mistakes; the enemy gets lucky; the CiC makes political wrong ROE; and shit happens even in training exercises. We experience more deaths and injuries in training than most people realize. They don't get reported because they're not in a war zone.

Bless our men and women in the Armed Forces. And let our leadership stop sending them to arms in a the savage area of the Middle East.

50 posted on 10/21/2013 11:55:04 AM PDT by A Navy Vet (An Oath is Forever!)
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