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CNN poll shows majority opposed to GOP House control, Obama approval 44/52
Hotair ^ | 10/21/2013 | Ed Morrissey

Posted on 10/21/2013 8:49:57 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

Did the shutdown do lasting damage to the Republican brand? A new poll from CNN shows some short-term damage, at least, in public perception of the party in reference to control of the House. For the first time since winning the majority in 2010, CNN’s polling shows a majority who disapprove of it, and more than 60% want John Boehner out as Speaker:

Just more than half the public says that it’s bad for the country that the GOP controls the House of Representatives, according to a new national poll conducted after the end of the partial government shutdown.

And the CNN/ORC International survey also indicates that more than six in 10 Americans say that Speaker of the House John Boehner should be replaced.

The poll was conducted Friday through Sunday, just after the end of the 16-day partial federal government shutdown that was caused in part by a push by House conservatives to try and dismantle the health care law, which is President Barack Obama’s signature domestic achievement.

According to the survey, 54% say it’s a bad thing that the GOP controls the House, up 11 points from last December, soon after the 2012 elections when the Republicans kept control of the chamber. Only 38% say it’s a good thing the GOP controls the House, a 13-point dive from the end of last year.

Farther into the piece, we also learn that Barack Obama didn’t fare too well, either. He’s at 44/52 on job approval, which is where he was in this series before the shutdown began. Gallup polling over the weekend has him at 44/50, almost the same, although the Saturday average had him at 42/52. Instead of positioning himself as the adult in the room by encouraging and fostering negotiations, Obama’s job approval eroded significantly in Gallup from 47/46 the week before the shutdown.

Gallup has more bad news for Obama this morning, too. His latest quarterly approval rate fell three points from the previous level. The polling period for the third quarter ended the day before the shutdown:

President Barack Obama averaged a 44.5% job approval rating during his 19th quarter in office, a decline of more than three percentage points from his 18th quarter. That is one of the largest quarter-to-quarter declines of his presidency, behind a nine-point drop in his third quarter and a six-point drop in his 11thquarter.

Most of the days following October 1st gave Obama a lower approval rating than 44.5%, so he’s off to a bad start for Q4.

No one will come out of this unscathed, in other words, but then no one will pay much of a long-term price for it, either. People will remember the shutdown more academically in a few weeks as other stories take precedence in the media, especially with the disaster at HHS in the ObamaCare rollout. This CNN poll lays down a marker with which to compare later polls, and those will focus on more significant long-term issues such as jobs, spending, deficits, and incompetents in the executive branch.

On those issues, Republicans will have an edge — and National Journal’s Michael Hirsh believes that the GOP is already winning on the fiscal fight:

When it comes to policy, it is still the Republicans—that is, the tea party, the GOP’s new beating heart—who are still largely setting the agenda. That’s not about to change. They lost on Obamacare, true enough, and except for a hard-core sub-minority of the tea-party faction, it’s unlikely Republicans will be stupid enough to try to wage that futile fight again. But even with this political setback, the tea partiers have made the sequester and debt-ceiling fights the new normal in Washington, as we will find out again in just a few months when the next deadline is reached.

Indeed, going back to 2010, when the GOP took control of the House, nearly everything has gone or more less the Republicans’ way on fiscal issues—they got the Bush tax cuts locked in (except on the highest earners), government spending reduced, and the sequester imposed. Despite Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid’s efforts to renegotiate the sequester, Obama in effect has conceded he can live with its across-the-board spending levels: In September, the White House announced it would approve a House Republican spending bill that kept the government funded at current levels as long as language that would defund Obamacare was stripped out.

In a longer time frame, all this must be counted as a victory. Increasingly, the tea party is looking like the Bolsheviks to Boehner’s Mensheviks, with the Democrats playing the role of the wobbly czarist regime (despite Obama’s show of toughness this time around). And if you recall, the Bolsheviks—the most zealous, no-compromise revolutionaries, in other words—were the ones who gained the power in the end. What of the polls and the 2014 election? That’s another reason Democrats are declaring victory, of course. Some are even deliriously sensing a possible takeover of the House. But that’s highly unlikely either, along with the much-hoped-for disappearance of the tea party. Remember: The tea-party adherents in the House just don’t care about the polls. At home, in their scarlet-red districts, they’re still beloved. The only thing most of them worry about is whether they are far-right enough to survive a primary challenge. And as long as the current gerrymandered congressional map remains in place, that’s probably all they’re going to have to worry about.

The Nation’s editorial board reached the same conclusion last week after the end of the shutdown:

Because the deal only includes minor concessions, the Beltway consensus is that it represents a resounding defeat for Republicans, who “surrendered” their original demands to defund or delay Obamacare. In the skirmish of opinion polls, that may be true, for now. But in the war of ideas, the Senate deal is but a stalemate, one made almost entirely on conservative terms. The GOP now goes into budget talks with sequestration as the new baseline, primed to demand longer-term cuts in Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security. And they still hold the gun of a US default to the nation’s head in the next debt ceiling showdown.

Surrender? Any more “victories” like this and Democrats will end up paying tribute into the GOP’s coffers. …

The GOP may be bearing the brunt of the public’s rage, but anger is also directed at Washington and government generally. Nearly eight in ten say the country is seriously off-track. The Tea Party may be plummeting in public esteem, but it is taking government down with it. There is simply no way to rebuild widely shared prosperity without a government with a clear strategy in the global economy. There is no way to make needed public investments and temper the extreme inequality that threatens our democracy without progressive tax reform. The terms of the Republican “surrender” take us in the wrong direction.

Ahem. The ObamaCare disaster is doing most of the “taking government down with it” work all on its own. The quicker the GOP gets out of the way and allows the public to focus on it, the quicker their poll numbers will rebound, and the faster the big-government project will collapse.


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1 posted on 10/21/2013 8:49:57 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Oh yeah, abandon ship. Let Al Qaida run things.. You love ObamaCare and regulations ,, then you’ll love OsamaCare.


2 posted on 10/21/2013 8:53:23 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi)
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To: SeekAndFind

The democrat population centers don’t like GOP House control. Too bad represenatives are not chosen that way. Oh, too bad!


3 posted on 10/21/2013 8:53:49 AM PDT by cotton1706
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To: SeekAndFind

“CNN poll” tells it all. Forget about it.


4 posted on 10/21/2013 8:55:09 AM PDT by From The Deer Stand
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To: SeekAndFind

I do agree with the part about wanting Boehner out as Speaker.


5 posted on 10/21/2013 8:55:11 AM PDT by Oshkalaboomboom
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To: SeekAndFind
This is all the fault of the local and national press.

I can't tell you how many people I've spoken to that believe the House never offered the Senate a budget, even though they did TEN TIMES.

These offers were never mentioned by the local/national press so in the minds of many people they never happened.

6 posted on 10/21/2013 8:55:21 AM PDT by freerepublicchat
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To: SeekAndFind

Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory damages the “brand”.

Surrender monkeys like Boehner and traitors like Vichy McConnell ensure it.


7 posted on 10/21/2013 8:56:06 AM PDT by Ray76 (Get thee behind me, Obama.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Yes. I believe CNN and the poll. I am totally committed to complete departure of my senses and personal realities and will succumb to the blood of the vampire's bite.

I sit here right now listening to a live presentation of Obama explain about the website. Like all Affirmative Action acolytes he is relegated to stumbling over preprogrammed, prescripted bullshit excuses about why this new ObamaCare website don't work and how “getting to talk to an ObamaCare [Islamic, possible felon, probable Democrat Operative] Navigator is a good thing. Even though he's clearly totally unprepared for what's been written for him.

A total Affirmative Action, unqualified boob who feels we all should cower unto him because he is black.

8 posted on 10/21/2013 8:56:26 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: SeekAndFind

The numbers were much better, and much less reported, before they surrendered again.


9 posted on 10/21/2013 8:56:33 AM PDT by Ingtar (The NSA - "We're the only part of government who actually listens to the people.")
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To: SeekAndFind

Will they be polling again after the new open enrollment forms hit the working folks over the next few weeks?


10 posted on 10/21/2013 8:57:02 AM PDT by jersey117
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To: SeekAndFind

Most people haven’t begun to get a taste of Obamacare. Bogus polls won’t overcome the disaster of Obamacare.


11 posted on 10/21/2013 8:57:23 AM PDT by pallis
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To: SeekAndFind

Republicans and conservatives disgust me! I’m all for unrelenting government spending. Ted Cruz really disappoints me. I want government to spend all they can on me and my dependents! How dare the republicans try to stop socialism, obamacare and 17 trillion dollar deficit!


12 posted on 10/21/2013 8:59:16 AM PDT by 2nd Amendment (Proud member of the 48% . . giver not a taker)
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To: jersey117

“open enrollment” - if it were open then it could happen at any time.


13 posted on 10/21/2013 8:59:23 AM PDT by Ray76 (Get thee behind me, Obama.)
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To: SeekAndFind

CNN poll - read no farther.


14 posted on 10/21/2013 9:00:04 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (_.. ._. .. _. _._ __ ___ ._. . ___ ..._ ._ ._.. _ .. _. .)
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To: Oshkalaboomboom
RE: I do agree with the part about wanting Boehner out as Speaker.

Me too. The problem with these polls is how they are worded. The fact that I would love to get rid of Boehner does not mean that I wish the Democrats were in charge of the House.

15 posted on 10/21/2013 9:01:11 AM PDT by Nevadan
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To: From The Deer Stand
“CNN poll” tells it all.

A Clinton/Communist News Network Poll? Never oversampled with Democrats in the Democratic Cities with skewed questions? No Never.

16 posted on 10/21/2013 9:05:55 AM PDT by sr4402
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To: Ray76

Most businesses do it end of October - early November. My point is that most people haven’t seen their new plans yet. How many businesses will change plans, raise premiums and deductibles, or pay the fine and send their employees to the exchanges? How many will find out their long-time doctors are no longer on the new plan? The sh!% hasn’t hit the fan yet.


17 posted on 10/21/2013 9:06:23 AM PDT by jersey117
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To: freerepublicchat

freerepublicchat: “This is all the fault of the local and national press.”

You can say that again. The national press is the propaganda arm of the Democrat Party. I dare say most people never even hear the conservative side of most political arguments.

Those nasty House Republicans, especially those anarchists in the Tea Party, were holding the country hostage don’t you know. This was actually a Democrat Party talking point, but you’d have a hard time distinguishing it from similar accusations in media reports.


18 posted on 10/21/2013 9:06:35 AM PDT by CitizenUSA (Conservatives are not anarchists!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Hmmm. I’m conservative and Republican and I hagte Boehner and all the loosers in the House and Senate repsonsible for failing to hold tough with Obama on ANYTHING.

So those numbers are a bit misleading.


19 posted on 10/21/2013 9:07:07 AM PDT by ZULU (Impeach that Bastard Barrack Hussein Obama)
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To: SeekAndFind

20 posted on 10/21/2013 9:07:34 AM PDT by JPG (Yes We Can morphs into Make It Hurt.)
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To: jersey117

Agreed. I didn’t mean to direct anything at you, just a comment on the double-talk that pervades society.


21 posted on 10/21/2013 9:07:47 AM PDT by Ray76 (Get thee behind me, Obama.)
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To: SeekAndFind

“CNN poll”

I stopped reading!


22 posted on 10/21/2013 9:07:52 AM PDT by Batman11 (Obama is not American.. he has no clue what it is to be American.)
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To: Ray76

LOL. I actually just figured out what you meant. Duh : )


23 posted on 10/21/2013 9:08:48 AM PDT by jersey117
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To: SeekAndFind

This is why we should ignore all presidential polls until after the first debate, when the public will hear Ted Cruz speak, unfiltered, for the first time.


24 posted on 10/21/2013 9:09:40 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: SeekAndFind

I think I’ll wait for elections of real candidates.


25 posted on 10/21/2013 9:10:21 AM PDT by LS ('Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually.' Hendrix)
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To: SeekAndFind
Many Republicans want Boehner out as speaker—not because they agree with the left, but because Boehner is a traitor to to the right. And they probably feel the same way about many of the other GOP Representatives.
26 posted on 10/21/2013 9:11:25 AM PDT by sourcery (Valid rights must be perfectly reciprocal.)
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To: Nevadan

I think the wording of the polls is important, too. If someone asked me if I thought the Republican Party was doing a good job, I’d say definitely not. If they asked me if Rep. Boehner should be removed as Speaker of the House, I’d say definitely yes.

My level of dissatisfaction with Republicans in D.C. is nearly as high as my contempt for all things Democrat. One party seeks to fundamentally transform America. The other only seeks to tweak the fundamental transformation on the periphery (and they couldn’t even get THAT!).


27 posted on 10/21/2013 9:11:30 AM PDT by CitizenUSA (Conservatives are not anarchists!)
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To: pallis

“..Most people haven’t begun to get a taste of Obamacare...”

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Very true. The fools and half-wits that elected Obama (twice) think that what is happening right now is “Obamacare”. Far from it. What they are too self-absorbed and ignorant to realize is that Obamacare is NOT ABOUT HEALTHCARE. The informed know it is about GOVERNMENT TAKEOVER, Marxist style, of America, and crushing the Constitution. Power and control — the radical, far-left agenda since BEFORE Obama was elected the first time. Nothing has changed.

Just look at Obama’s progress. He has the Congress and the Supreme Court. What else does he need except control over you. Enter stage left....the horror story called Obamacare. Deja Vu - Germany - the 1930s.


28 posted on 10/21/2013 9:11:31 AM PDT by EagleUSA
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To: SeekAndFind
CNN poll shows majority opposed to GOP House control, Obama approval 44/52

So those who watch the Communist News Network disapprove of the Republicans right now? Shouldn't that be considered GOOD news for Republicans?
If the CNN viewers don't like the Republicans, that means the Republicans are trying to do the right thing. They need to keep doing it.

29 posted on 10/21/2013 9:13:42 AM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: SeekAndFind

First, it’s CNN and second, they probably oversampled leftists and low information (shudder) “voters”.


30 posted on 10/21/2013 9:14:07 AM PDT by DustyMoment (Congress - another name for the American politburo!!)
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To: cotton1706

Poll results directly reflects the TV news and mainstream liberal media and it shapes opinion. Nothing else. This is not going to change any time soon.

FOX is absolutely little help and conservatives own nothing in proportion to the Left, who has Soros if they bump their little nose.

We plow ahead regardless and by the grace of God
stand up, no matter what.


31 posted on 10/21/2013 9:16:17 AM PDT by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Obamarama’s numbers are cr@p especially if you consider ALL the people polled work for CNN.


32 posted on 10/21/2013 9:17:02 AM PDT by Cyman
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To: SeekAndFind
I agree with this poll. The Republicans should not be in control CONgress. But neither should the Democrats. Both of these corrupt parties have ruined the country. Why would anyone think they could fix anything.

If the Tea Party were in charge, that would be a different story.

33 posted on 10/21/2013 9:17:24 AM PDT by Count of Monte Fisto (The foundation of modern society is the denial of reality.)
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To: ZULU

Agreed. Our sentiment is in there too.


34 posted on 10/21/2013 9:17:38 AM PDT by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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To: SeekAndFind

The problem with the global economy is too much damn government interference. A good government is one that has very little impact on national or global economy. It doesn’t lift up or tear down people or business based on the political causes dujour.

The whole national park debacle should have indicated for everyone the folly of centralized government. If all national parks were funded and managed by states they’d operate regardless of the federal government. The vast majority of government functions should be de-federalized and returned to the states.


35 posted on 10/21/2013 9:22:18 AM PDT by Maelstorm (The political class love diversity and choice only when the its choices they approve of.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Junk poll as it isn't the critical Likely Voters, but:

The poll was conducted for CNN by ORC International, with 841 adults nationwide questioned by telephone. The survey's overall sampling error is plus or minus 3.5 percentage points.

This is a bunch of knuckleheads that don't vote, likely CNN's entire viewing audience.

36 posted on 10/21/2013 9:29:04 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: Graybeard58

Let me guess, they asked their fellow co-workers in the newsroom.


37 posted on 10/21/2013 9:35:13 AM PDT by matt04
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To: Count of Monte Fisto

RE: I agree with this poll. The Republicans should not be in control CONgress.

Well, if those polled are opposed to GOP control of Congress, did they ask those polled whether they prefer Democrat control of Congress?


38 posted on 10/21/2013 9:36:43 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind; All
As a side note to the GOP's RINO popularity problems, CNN pollsters are likely never going to ask people if they know about the federal government's constitutionally limited powers.
39 posted on 10/21/2013 9:39:10 AM PDT by Amendment10
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To: SeekAndFind

So more people oppose Obama presidential control than GOP House control. (Even though many GOP opponents want more conservative representation.)


40 posted on 10/21/2013 9:48:19 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: Ray76

I despise the reference to political parties as “brands,” but I fear that is what they have been reduced to.


41 posted on 10/21/2013 9:52:40 AM PDT by ViLaLuz (2 Chronicles 7:14)
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To: SeekAndFind

I dont think we will hurt us in the mid-terms. The polls are showing we got beat up over the shutdown, however the special election held last week in NJ yesterday is promising. Sure the D won, it is NJ after all. But they won by only 11 points over a hard core tea party candidate. This after weeks and weeks of the media bashing conservatives and the tea party. 11 points seems like alot but is in line with the way NJ usually votes. In previous senate elections over the years the D’s have won by: 19 in 2012, 9 in 2006 and 10 in 2002. That leads me to believe that conservatives and the tea party will be strong in the coming elections, even with the biased media. I pray I am right!!!!


42 posted on 10/21/2013 9:54:17 AM PDT by Gettin Betta
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To: CitizenUSA
re: The other only seeks to tweak the fundamental transformation on the periphery

I don't even see the Republicans attempting to tweak the fundamental transformation from the periphery. All I see is them talking tough during their election campaigns and fund-raising campaigns, but when it comes to actually taking stands for what Republicans say they believe, they wimp out nearly every time at the least amount of criticism. Most Republican congressmen and senators would rather be liked by the press and their democrat counterparts than do the job they were sent to Washington to do.

43 posted on 10/21/2013 9:55:09 AM PDT by Nevadan
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To: SeekAndFind

There is no science in political polling, polls only manufacture opinion for the masses, I have been saying this for years.

The poll results become reality only after they are released and announced over the air waves, but yes they become reality.

Anybody that does not understand this has had the wool pulled over their eyes.

If the pollsters had reported that Democrats and the President were mostly to blame for the shut down, that result would have become reality as well.

If polls showed that Ted Cruz and Sarah Palin had positive poll numbers, that would also become reality in time

I am NOT affected by polls, I am speaking of the mindless masses, the majority hears a poll and it helps them form their opinion

To the folks that believe in the science of partisan political polling (you poor souls), you have to at the very least realize that when it involves big moments like these, and elections, that any science goes out the window

If you don’t see that, I pity you


44 posted on 10/21/2013 9:55:10 AM PDT by Friendofgeorge ( Palin 2016 or bust)
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To: NormsRevenge

If the polling were true and done in a fair way then it is because of the media who never covered Reid;s comments about kids with cancer or how the house passed bills to open the Govt or how the monuments and others were closed to hurt the people and it was their first time closed.

Anyone thinking the media had nothing to do with this is either that really dumb or naïve when it comes to the media.


45 posted on 10/21/2013 9:56:37 AM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: sr4402

They polled “adults”, more than half of whom do not vote, and a significant number of whom have two-digit IQ’s. The sample itself was comprised of 20% Republicans, 30% Democrats and 50% Independent/Other Party members.


46 posted on 10/21/2013 9:58:25 AM PDT by andy58-in-nh (Cogito, ergo armatum sum.)
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To: Gettin Betta

RE: I dont think we will hurt us in the mid-terms. The polls are showing we got beat up over the shutdown, however the special election held last week in NJ yesterday is promising. Sure the D won, it is NJ after all. But they won by only 11 points over a hard core tea party candidate.

Well here’s a question — WILL VIRGINIA (most often a red state, lately going blue), elect a Democrat governor, the provably corrupt, Terry Macauliffe, or the principled conservative, Ken Cuccinelli?

THAT is the bellweather for me. If Virginia votes for the Dem, this tells me that America is slowly moving left.


47 posted on 10/21/2013 10:00:30 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Reconciling these polls, the People want a Democrat Congress and a Republican President.


48 posted on 10/21/2013 10:00:59 AM PDT by rightwingcrazy
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To: From The Deer Stand

Yup. “CNN poll”....might as well call it the Dem poll.


49 posted on 10/21/2013 10:01:59 AM PDT by max americana (fired liberals in our company last election, and I laughed while they cried (true story))
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To: SeekAndFind

CNN must have polled 841 black lesbians in San Francisco and Berkeley.


50 posted on 10/21/2013 10:08:19 AM PDT by july4thfreedomfoundation (The Second Amendment makes all the other amendments possible)
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