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AR:Suspected Armed Robber Shot and Killed by Pharmacist
arkansasmatters.com ^ | 18 October, 2013 | NA

Posted on 10/21/2013 5:54:18 PM PDT by marktwain

The pharmacist initially retreated, but when he could retreat no longer, he pulled his own concealed weapon and shot and killed the masked gunman.

Police say the pharmacist is a concealed-carry permit holder.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Arkansas
KEYWORDS: ar; banglist; ccw; guncontrol; pharmacist; secondamendment
He will not rob any more places.
1 posted on 10/21/2013 5:54:18 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

The man was frightened, but he was also armed. Once you pull the trigger in a situation like this don’t stop pulling it until the gun is empty.


2 posted on 10/21/2013 5:57:33 PM PDT by Venturer (Keep Obama and you aint seen nothing yet.)
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To: marktwain

St. Tray’s bro and Bammy son.


3 posted on 10/21/2013 5:58:05 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: marktwain

Tav-vell was shot when he donned a mask and pulled a gun on the pharmacist.

Live by the gun, die by the gun.


4 posted on 10/21/2013 6:05:18 PM PDT by Gabrial (The nightmare will continue as long as the nightmare is in the Whitehouse.)
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To: marktwain

Good!


5 posted on 10/21/2013 6:06:46 PM PDT by House Atreides ( D)
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To: marktwain

"...some bad medicine"

6 posted on 10/21/2013 6:10:42 PM PDT by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: marktwain

Was the robber not just trying to turn his life around? I heard he was an aspiring rapper going to college and just wanted some sinus medicine.


7 posted on 10/21/2013 6:11:52 PM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (On the evening of 10/16/13, the ailing republican party breathed its last breath.)
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To: marktwain

Sadly, this pharmacist will suffer... after all he put five years into college to help people, trust me, there’s a great deal of altruism in the medical industry. Sad it came to this. Better that he went home to his family, but a sorry stste of affairs that this is what it took.


8 posted on 10/21/2013 6:13:14 PM PDT by glock rocks (Wasn't prohibition the "Law of the land?" Wasn't "the earth is flat" proven science? Charlatans!)
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To: marktwain; All

Pharmacist just saved taxpayers over 1 million dollars in prison costs. Thanks


9 posted on 10/21/2013 6:16:19 PM PDT by SeminoleCounty (Fact Is: GOPe want ObamaCare.)
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To: marktwain

And to think it happened in Dumas to a dum-ass.


10 posted on 10/21/2013 6:22:14 PM PDT by beelzepug (if any alphabets are watchin', I'll be coming home right after the meetin')
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To: Venturer
The man was frightened, but he was also armed. Once you pull the trigger in a situation like this don’t stop pulling it until the gun is empty.

Bad advice, sir. You stop shooting once the attacker no longer presents a threat. As I was advised by an instructor at NRA headquarters, once the man starts falling, stop. Otherwise, you can be charged with second-degree murder.

11 posted on 10/21/2013 6:24:41 PM PDT by OldPossum ("It's" is the contraction of "it" and "is"; think about its implications.)
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To: OldPossum

The NRA man never had a guy shot once get back up and attack him again.

Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.


12 posted on 10/21/2013 6:27:10 PM PDT by Venturer (Keep Obama and you aint seen nothing yet.)
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To: OldPossum
“You stop shooting once the attacker no longer presents a threat. As I was advised by an instructor at NRA headquarters, once the man starts falling, stop. Otherwise, you can be charged with second-degree murder.”

I agree with the first sentence, but I think it gets a little more complicated after that.

Time seems to slow down for a lot of people when in a life and death situation. People can often empty a gun faster than it takes a person to fall down.

Do not shoot a man who no longer can hold a weapon, but realize that people can take a lot of punishment and keep on fighting.

It is pretty common to run a gun dry without even realizing how many shots were fired.

13 posted on 10/21/2013 6:31:47 PM PDT by marktwain (The MSM must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: OldPossum
Bad advice, sir. You stop shooting once the attacker no longer presents a threat. As I was advised by an instructor at NRA headquarters, once the man starts falling, stop. Otherwise, you can be charged with second-degree murder.

Even the police are trained to put two in the chest, and one in the head.

If it's good enough for them, it's good enough for me.
14 posted on 10/21/2013 6:32:17 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: Venturer
Our pharmacist was approached by a bad dude wanting drugs not money. The pharmacist fixed him up with enough to knock him out in about 10 minutes and a glass of water.
15 posted on 10/21/2013 6:33:30 PM PDT by Battle Axe (Repent, for the coming of the Lord is nigh.)
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To: Venturer

Then you shoot him till he falls again.


16 posted on 10/21/2013 6:43:16 PM PDT by DelFuego
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To: OldPossum

Also, you don’t want to waste bullets that may be needed for a second or third bad guy.


17 posted on 10/21/2013 6:44:27 PM PDT by lormand (Inside every liberal is a dung slinging monkey)
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To: SoConPubbie

“Even the police are trained to put two in the chest, and one in the head.”

Not from what I’ve seen and read in NYC.


18 posted on 10/21/2013 6:46:17 PM PDT by carriage_hill (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history, when everybody stands around reloading.)
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To: carriage_hill
Not from what I’ve seen and read in NYC.

Touche!

I should have said: "at a minimum".

This was the training I recieved from my Huntington Beach CA Seargent Trainer.
19 posted on 10/21/2013 6:51:06 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: DelFuego
Then you shoot him till he falls again.

Does he have to fall up a flight of stairs too?

20 posted on 10/21/2013 7:34:37 PM PDT by Mark17 (Chicago Blackhawks: Stanley Cup champions 2010, 2013. Vietnam Veteran, 70-71)
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To: beelzepug

Home of the Ding Dong Daddy.


21 posted on 10/21/2013 7:41:24 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: Conspiracy Guy

Died for Skittles and Iced Tea for his little brother....


22 posted on 10/21/2013 8:40:36 PM PDT by ExpatGator (I hate Illinois Nazis!)
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To: OldPossum

To be more specific. You stop shooting when the threat is neutralized. A man can fall still clutching a firearm and then kill you with it.


23 posted on 10/21/2013 8:42:33 PM PDT by ExpatGator (I hate Illinois Nazis!)
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To: OldPossum
Bad advice, sir. You stop shooting once the attacker no longer presents a threat. As I was advised by an instructor at NRA headquarters, once the man starts falling, stop. Otherwise, you can be charged with second-degree murder.

Horse manure. You shoot until the perp is on the ground and CLEARLY no longer a threat. Then you keep your gun trained on him, quickly glance around for accomplices, and kick away any weapons that may be near the perp. I'm not saying you then put a bullet in his head or anything, but you don't just stop shooting when a perp starts to go down. He may be reaching for his ankle piece.

What kind of NRA instructor did you have?

24 posted on 10/21/2013 8:48:18 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Mark17
Does he have to fall up a flight of stairs too?

If necessary, yes... ;-)

25 posted on 10/21/2013 8:52:25 PM PDT by NoCmpromiz (John 14:6 is a non-pluralistic comment.)
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To: ExpatGator

Do we get the Pee/resident weighing in on this in a few days after it is clear whether he can further destroy relationships between blacks and creepyazcrackers?


26 posted on 10/21/2013 8:54:56 PM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (On the evening of 10/16/13, the ailing republican party breathed its last breath.)
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To: Lancey Howard

I direct your attention to the point I made: you stop shooting once the attacker no longer presents a threat—that would preclude a situation in which he is falling and yet reaching for and aiming his gun (I thought that was understood). Of course, you would fire again at that point.

Yes, I know the rest of the drill about securing the area and checking for accomplices.

I directed this to the gentleman who said you empty your gun on the perp. Any CSI could tell from the angle in which your shots penetrated the attacker what position he was at at that time.

P.S. The NRA instructor was a staff member who participated in training sessions for people obtaining their CC permits. He gave me private lessons. I think I’ll take his advice over yours.


27 posted on 10/21/2013 9:18:41 PM PDT by OldPossum ("It's" is the contraction of "it" and "is"; think about its implications.)
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To: OldPossum

A postscript to the rest who jumped on my statement:

Note that I said when the attacker NO LONGER POSES A THREAT. As I said in the previous post, of course, if he is getting ready to shoot you as he goes down, he’s still fair game.

And, I say again, if you empty your gun on the man as he’s lying helpless on the ground, the DA will put you before a grand jury and your hide has a good chance of ending up on the barnyard wall.


28 posted on 10/21/2013 9:27:31 PM PDT by OldPossum ("It's" is the contraction of "it" and "is"; think about its implications.)
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To: marktwain

For those who suggest shooting someone on the ground: Does anyone remember Jerome Ersland?

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20066839-504083.html


29 posted on 10/22/2013 6:21:29 AM PDT by jim_trent
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Old possum clarified correctly when he posted:

“Note that I said when the attacker NO LONGER POSES A THREAT. As I said in the previous post, of course, if he is getting ready to shoot you as he goes down, he’s still fair game.”

People also realize that a person who is on the ground can still kill you.

It always comes down to whether a reasonable person in the situation, knowing what they knew, would have felt that they were under a deadly threat.

I think we are all pretty much dancing around the same theme here.

What I was trying to clarify is that you cannot assume that just because a person is going down, that they are no longer a threat. People like to have black and white answers to these situations, but the real world is a lot more complicated than that.

The Jury decided that the man that Ersland shot was no longer a deadly threat to him. The fact that he was on the ground was only one part of the equation.

30 posted on 10/22/2013 7:28:15 AM PDT by marktwain (The MSM must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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