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AR:Suspected Armed Robber Shot and Killed by Pharmacist
arkansasmatters.com ^ | 18 October, 2013 | NA

Posted on 10/21/2013 5:54:18 PM PDT by marktwain

The pharmacist initially retreated, but when he could retreat no longer, he pulled his own concealed weapon and shot and killed the masked gunman.

Police say the pharmacist is a concealed-carry permit holder.

(Excerpt) Read more at arkansasmatters.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Arkansas
KEYWORDS: ar; banglist; ccw; guncontrol; pharmacist; secondamendment
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To: beelzepug

Home of the Ding Dong Daddy.


21 posted on 10/21/2013 7:41:24 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: Conspiracy Guy

Died for Skittles and Iced Tea for his little brother....


22 posted on 10/21/2013 8:40:36 PM PDT by ExpatGator (I hate Illinois Nazis!)
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To: OldPossum

To be more specific. You stop shooting when the threat is neutralized. A man can fall still clutching a firearm and then kill you with it.


23 posted on 10/21/2013 8:42:33 PM PDT by ExpatGator (I hate Illinois Nazis!)
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To: OldPossum
Bad advice, sir. You stop shooting once the attacker no longer presents a threat. As I was advised by an instructor at NRA headquarters, once the man starts falling, stop. Otherwise, you can be charged with second-degree murder.

Horse manure. You shoot until the perp is on the ground and CLEARLY no longer a threat. Then you keep your gun trained on him, quickly glance around for accomplices, and kick away any weapons that may be near the perp. I'm not saying you then put a bullet in his head or anything, but you don't just stop shooting when a perp starts to go down. He may be reaching for his ankle piece.

What kind of NRA instructor did you have?

24 posted on 10/21/2013 8:48:18 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Mark17
Does he have to fall up a flight of stairs too?

If necessary, yes... ;-)

25 posted on 10/21/2013 8:52:25 PM PDT by NoCmpromiz (John 14:6 is a non-pluralistic comment.)
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To: ExpatGator

Do we get the Pee/resident weighing in on this in a few days after it is clear whether he can further destroy relationships between blacks and creepyazcrackers?


26 posted on 10/21/2013 8:54:56 PM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (On the evening of 10/16/13, the ailing republican party breathed its last breath.)
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To: Lancey Howard

I direct your attention to the point I made: you stop shooting once the attacker no longer presents a threat—that would preclude a situation in which he is falling and yet reaching for and aiming his gun (I thought that was understood). Of course, you would fire again at that point.

Yes, I know the rest of the drill about securing the area and checking for accomplices.

I directed this to the gentleman who said you empty your gun on the perp. Any CSI could tell from the angle in which your shots penetrated the attacker what position he was at at that time.

P.S. The NRA instructor was a staff member who participated in training sessions for people obtaining their CC permits. He gave me private lessons. I think I’ll take his advice over yours.


27 posted on 10/21/2013 9:18:41 PM PDT by OldPossum ("It's" is the contraction of "it" and "is"; think about its implications.)
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To: OldPossum

A postscript to the rest who jumped on my statement:

Note that I said when the attacker NO LONGER POSES A THREAT. As I said in the previous post, of course, if he is getting ready to shoot you as he goes down, he’s still fair game.

And, I say again, if you empty your gun on the man as he’s lying helpless on the ground, the DA will put you before a grand jury and your hide has a good chance of ending up on the barnyard wall.


28 posted on 10/21/2013 9:27:31 PM PDT by OldPossum ("It's" is the contraction of "it" and "is"; think about its implications.)
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To: marktwain

For those who suggest shooting someone on the ground: Does anyone remember Jerome Ersland?

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20066839-504083.html


29 posted on 10/22/2013 6:21:29 AM PDT by jim_trent
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To: jim_trent; OldPossum; All
Old possum clarified correctly when he posted:

“Note that I said when the attacker NO LONGER POSES A THREAT. As I said in the previous post, of course, if he is getting ready to shoot you as he goes down, he’s still fair game.”

People also realize that a person who is on the ground can still kill you.

It always comes down to whether a reasonable person in the situation, knowing what they knew, would have felt that they were under a deadly threat.

I think we are all pretty much dancing around the same theme here.

What I was trying to clarify is that you cannot assume that just because a person is going down, that they are no longer a threat. People like to have black and white answers to these situations, but the real world is a lot more complicated than that.

The Jury decided that the man that Ersland shot was no longer a deadly threat to him. The fact that he was on the ground was only one part of the equation.

30 posted on 10/22/2013 7:28:15 AM PDT by marktwain (The MSM must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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