Skip to comments.Canada Has Death Panels: And thatís a good thing.
Posted on 10/21/2013 6:26:28 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
Last week Canadas Supreme Court ruled that doctors could not unilaterally ignore a Toronto familys decision to keep their near-dead husband and father on life support. In the same breath, however, the court also confirmed that, under the laws of Ontario, Canadas most populous province, a group of government-appointed adjudicators could yet overrule the familys choice. That tribunal, not the family or the doctors, has the ultimate power to pull the plug.
In other words: Canada has death panels.
I use that term advisedly. Former Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin made it famous in the summer of 2009, when Congress was fighting over whether to pass Obamacare. As Republicans and Democrats continue to spar over health care, we should pause to wonder why millions of Canadians have come to accept the functional equivalent of an idea that almost sank health care reform even though, in this country, it was imaginary.
Ontarios Health Care Consent Act has been on the books for nearly two decades. Like similar laws in many Canadian provincesand American statesit sets out the process for making treatment decisions when a patient cannot provide or withhold her consentwhen she is in a coma and on life support, for example. In such cases, power automatically shifts to a substitute decision maker, usually a close relative. When these family members disagree with a patients doctors, and when the doctors are nonetheless determined to act, the dispute generally goes to court, where it can take months or even years to resolve. That is how it works in other Canadian and American jurisdictions, anyway. In Ontario, by contrast, the provincial legislature decided in 1996 to create a quasijudicial tribunal, the Consent and Capacity Board, to make these life-and-death decisions more quickly....
(Excerpt) Read more at slate.com ...
I’m not sure having a bunch of IRS bean counters on our death panels is going to be a very good idea though.
Maybe members of Salon.com would like some members of THEIR family getting some of those “Death Panels” lets see how they like it then..slowly slowly the left’s TRUE intentions are coming out..they want a single payer system, they want death panels, they want the same health care here like they have in the UK, pregnant women being forced to walk to the hospital because the ambulance refuses to go and get them..people getting their colons punctured during surgery and told after wards “Here’s an aspirin for that pain” and the next day they are dead..have read story after story and this is what the left wants here
sure, let’s ask all the dead people if they think it’s a good thing.
Canada has already killed free speech and the RKBA.
Nothing but death all over the news today, is this the new push?!
Ive been hearing about single payer health care since Saturday..well, actually, that’s not accurate, Ive been hearing Dems talk about single payer for years now, this just pushes them even closer to having it as reality
Not surprising.What *was* surprising (to me at least) is that Dr Howard Dean,that tea bagging Nazi knuckledragger,admitted just a few weeks ago that Osama Obama Care *does* feature a death panel.
Read the fine print .... the elite and government wienies have an exemption from death panels.
the Obama Care Pathway
Since November 2008, I have been wishing that only Libs would have to suffer under Obama’s policies. Sadly we all will suffer.
Ah, to be old and wise one must first survive being young and stupid. These young, stupid, liberals, with their know-it-all ideas, their faces turn to horror once they find out that they are the intended recipients of their youthful stupidity. At the tender age of 35 she finds that any mishap of her ovaries means a hysterectomy and not a corrective medical procedure that could save them. Or that her severed little finger she so delicately cut so deeply while in the kitchen is going to be amputated because it is cheaper than neurosurgery. No, she may not live long enough to be old and wise.
This is why we don’t listen to the young and stupid. We are supposed to know better.
I loved how this genius hit the second amendment as well.
You would think for someone who is Jewish the last thing you want to hear is your government saying when it’s time to pull the plug.
now just get on the train like a good boy.
Second, we’re taking your gun away to keep you safe.
Now hurry up and get on that train... Freedom’sjust a little ride down the road.
But it can’t happen here.
"Adam Goldenberg is a law student at Yale..."
Nothing more needs to be said.
When my father was on his deathbed, he made it clear he didn’t want extraordinary measures taken. He was a doctor, and he knew they wouldn’t work anyway. I hope to go with the same grace and dignity he displayed to the end. When it’s time, it’s time; three years is far too long to linger as a vegetable.
everyone ought to be qbleto decide when enough is enough, for them.
not some frigging death panel deciding for them.
It’s a good thing, then, that the Consent and Capacity Board exists only to adjudicate in situations where the patient is unable to decide for himself.
If you're an Obama donor you should be okay. Cruz supporters had better stay healthy on their own.
Before this whole debacle, I had a convo with a lib about these boards deciding who gets what.
She insisted that it would be better for someone in government to decide than for insurance companies to decide.
Except Death Panels won’t just rule on who has access to the life support systems.
They’ll also deny 66yr olds bypass surgery, 66yr olds kidney dialysis, knee replacements, chemotherapy and any other ‘extraordinary’ means.
Because at 66, you’re no longer paying into the system.
Look for that 6m old with congenital heart issues to be denied lifesaving surgery as well. Cheaper for the parents to just go make another one. After all, that baby hasn’t paid into the system yet either. And the system hasn’t invested 12yrs of education there either.
Read up on Ezekiel Emmanuals treatment criteria. Yes, he’s Rahm’s brother.
Because the same government that abused its position with the tea party and other conservatives by using the IRS, EPA, FBI and DOJ to eliminate and prosecute ‘enemies’ would NEVER, EVER use the IRS (in charge of healthcare) to deny them or their families lifesaving procedures or care.
If someone else is paying for your care, you can expect them to have a say in that care, & especially so if you are a stranger to the payer.
All the laws in the World will not change that - ever.
‘Quality adjusted life years’ will be used to determine treatment.
No one who has Downs syndrome will get more than an aspirin or outdated penicillin. China already mandates early prenatal testing for Downs children. And enforces abortions in those pregnancies.
‘Disability adjusted life years’ will ensure than no paraplegics will get bypass surgery either. Better hope you’re never in a serious car accident.
Obama administration advisor Steve Rattner, Beyond ObamaCare (9/16/2012). Rattner stated up front, We need death panels.
Rattner advocated restricting medical spending on the elderly, especially on patients in their last year of life, because such spending consumes more than a quarter of the [Medicare] programs budget.
This from last year........
Progressivism is a death cult, so, yeah. It’s going to be all over the news every day.
Which brings up the question. How do you KNOW it’s the patient’s last year of life?
I gave several examples the other day on a similar thread.
My 80yr old grandfather suffered kidney failure as a side effect of antibiotics prescribed for bronchitis one winter. The death panels would have denied him dialysis. Because hey, he’s EIGHTY. After 6m of dialysis his kidneys began working again and he lived TWELVE MORE YEARS. 11.5 of those independently. The last 6m in an assisted care home on his dime btw. And his last 2m were on hospice as his kidneys failed again and HE didn’t want to do dialysis again.
My great aunt was in an automobile accident when she was 84. The car she was in was tboned by a drunk illegal (who, btw, never served even a day for this). Broke her hip, pelvis and femur. She was fixed up and lived independently also another dozen years. She spend 3 years in an assisted care home (on her kids dime) mainly because she didn’t want to live with her kids and be a burden, and they were worried about her living by herself. She died just short of 100.
Neither of these examples incurred any significant expenses in the last decade of their lives. Unless you want to deprive little old people of annual physicals or flu shots?
And yet the death panels would have cut their lives short by 10%-15%.
Sooner or later the looters will have bankrupted the system to the extent that even 35 or 40 yr olds will be denied care. Once you’ve denied care for a ‘reason’, you’d be amazed how those ‘reasons’ multiply. Especially when the administrators need raises and more benefits. And can use the rationed care to keep political dissent in line.
What you don’t read a lot about are the Jewish Capos.
These were the Jews who were afforded real food, real warm clothing, and other privileges in the death camps in exchange for their brutality on other Jews.
It explains guys like Soros, Rahm and his brother, and others who would sell his people, God’s people, out for a Reuben sandwich.
Looks like our friend Adam Goldberg is being fitted for his warm winter coat.
Very scary times.
I’m confused. If the government considers health care for people over 65 to be a waste of resources, why does medicare exist?
It won’t for long.
Medicare be old school. Obamacare be new school.
Mash that link scroll a small bit for the graph.
Where do you fall on that graph?
Notice the steep almost vertical descent at age 60. That’s why in the UK dialysis on the NHS is not offered to those over 60. Ditto bypass surgery or any other intervention we consider to be standard and not at all ‘hail mary’.
Fall and break your hip at age 61? Hope you’ve got a lot of cash and a plane ticket somewhere you can get that fixed. Obamacare won’t be fixing that.
Cardiology visits for those over 60 will be rare as well. Why diagnose something that won’t be getting fixed regardless?
Why age sixty you ask? Simply because the victim won’t be paying into the system long enough after the procedure to make it ‘worth its while’ to the bureaucrats in charge.
Bureaucrats that ever multiply, get golden parachute pensions and never seem to have the same sorts of rationing issues to which the regular population seems to be subject.
Meanwhile, costs themselves in the form of taxes will skyrocket out of control.
The broken and insanely expensive website is only the beginning.
How many lifesaving procedures could have been done for that amount of money?
Where did that money actually go?
Welcome to the reality of socialized medicine. THEY get the money while you likely do NOT receive standard of care.
Special people will be able to receive modern care.
If you can’t afford a plane ticket and care somewhere modern you will just die.
Meanwhile you will have been taxed your whole life to within an inch of your life to pay for something you’ll never get. Ie, decent care.
This is what happens when the nanny state can decide who gets medical care and under what situations...
This simply doesn’t happen here now. It will.