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Henry Louis Gates: End Affirmative Action For Affluent African-Americans
NewsBusters ^ | Mark Finkelstein

Posted on 10/22/2013 6:24:17 AM PDT by governsleastgovernsbest

For all his accomplishments, Henry Louis Gates might be doomed to being best remembered as the man whose arrest led to the "Beer Summit." But the Harvard prof had something surprising to say on today's Morning Joe: Gates questioned the need for affirmative action for affluent African-Americans, saying instead such programs should seek to help poor people, regardless of race.

Gates made the personal political, citing the case of his own two daughters, whom Gates described as having a "privileged" life." Do they really need to benefit from affirmative action?", asked Gates rhetorically.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: affirmativeaction; africanamericans; beersummit; henrylouisgates; mrskippy

1 posted on 10/22/2013 6:24:17 AM PDT by governsleastgovernsbest
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To: netmilsmom; Behind Liberal Lines; Miss Marple; an amused spectator; Diogenesis; MEG33; PGalt; ...

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2 posted on 10/22/2013 6:24:53 AM PDT by governsleastgovernsbest (FReepmail or ping me to be put on my ping list for criticism of liberal media)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

I think its because the Michigan case awaiting a ruling is going to go our way and Gates is looking at getting ahead of it.


3 posted on 10/22/2013 6:27:25 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Mr. Gates, There won’t be any ‘affluent African-Americans’ when Obozo gets done...........or of any other heritage for that matter.................


4 posted on 10/22/2013 6:30:01 AM PDT by Red Badger (TANSTAAFL always wins. Always...........................)
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To: cripplecreek

Maybe he noticed who it was that bothered to give him a hand walking down the steps. It wasn’t the affirmative-action hire president, but the poor working class white guy who had to get hired on his own merits.


5 posted on 10/22/2013 6:33:41 AM PDT by jstaff
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
Is the Fugitive Slave Act still in effect?

SOMEbody has fled the plantation.

6 posted on 10/22/2013 6:34:12 AM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Should Obama’s daughters be admitted to Harvard just because they’re black?


7 posted on 10/22/2013 6:38:28 AM PDT by MNnice
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

He’s right. Interestingly, the furthest left member of my department (a self-identified feminist, Obama supporter whose main professional activities all involve affirmative action) feels the same way. I deal with her on some admission issues, and she’d rather take white first-generation college students from Appalachia than black or Hispanic kids from affluent suburbs.

There’s actually a point to “affirmative action” based on actual disadvantaged circumstances: a kid who falls a little short of an admissions cut who grew up poor without much intellectual stimulation in their home or neighborhood will likely blossom at university and genuinely rise socially and economically above their beginnings as a result of the favor shown them. This is a net gain both for society — which now has one more better educated person than filtering by demonstrated ability only would have given — and the student.

On the other hand, a black or Hispanic kid who went to elite private schools or public schools of similar quality (yes, they exist in all-upper-middle-class-or-wealthy suburbs of some major cities), who needs a leg up to get into a university because he didn’t make the usual cut, with high probability is a slacker and won’t make the grade and will flunk out or pick the most contentless major available to struggle through, and would have been better off going to a lesser college. The net result is bad both for society in terms of wasted resources and for the “beneficiaries” of such a program.


8 posted on 10/22/2013 6:43:29 AM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know...)
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To: MNnice

No, they should be admitted because they are the daughters of the elite ruling class, ie, the “neonobility”.


9 posted on 10/22/2013 6:44:11 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: cripplecreek

Gates thinks for himself which is a rare quality these days among academics.


10 posted on 10/22/2013 6:47:26 AM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: Texas Eagle

Lol!


11 posted on 10/22/2013 6:55:02 AM PDT by bigbob (The best way to get a bad law repealed is to enforce it strictly. Abraham Lincoln)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
No...end *all* forms of discrimination.If a black atheist lesbian is,in fact,a better brain surgeon than am I then he/she/it gets the job.If I,a white,Christian,normal male, am the better brain surgeon then *I* get the job.A pure meritocracy from top to bottom.

Oh,and BTW "Skip",it was *you*...not the Cambridge Police Dept...that acted stupidly.Always remember that.The white cops didn't act stupidly nor did the black ones.

12 posted on 10/22/2013 6:55:20 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Osama Obama Care: A Religion That Will Have You On Your Knees!)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Interesting how that might affect US Government 8(a) contractors. The owners are definitely affluent.


13 posted on 10/22/2013 7:14:28 AM PDT by mikey_hates_everything
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To: Gay State Conservative

I agree wit you. However, there appear to unintended consequences to pure meritocracies that we haven’t given much thought to.

All but idiots will agree there is some inherited element to intelligence. Make it 10% if you like, the number doesn’t really matter in the long run.

In a purely meritocratic society the most intelligent and competent will be sorted out from the rest of us into the most prestigious schools and jobs. They will associate mainly with each other and will therefore tend to marry and reproduce together. Their children will not only be more likely more intelligent due to genetics, but will grow up in a meritocratic home and associate with other meritocrats.

Give this a few generations, and we’re likely to have something very similar to the old aristocratic system, albeit one that may still be open to entry from below by the occasional meritocratic person born to the proles.

And it will be an aristocracy based on indisputable fact. The leaders ARE superior.

Not IMO an entirely comfortable prospect.


14 posted on 10/22/2013 7:29:54 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: cripplecreek

Yes. You nailed it.


15 posted on 10/22/2013 7:40:05 AM PDT by SC_Pete
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

>> Gates thinks for himself ...

Like when he pimped himself out to Obama in the “Beer Summit”? Sorry, not impressed.


16 posted on 10/22/2013 7:42:25 AM PDT by QBFimi (When gunpowder speaks, beasts listen.)
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To: MNnice
Should Obama’s daughters be admitted to Harvard just because they’re black?

3/4 black.

17 posted on 10/22/2013 8:27:00 AM PDT by Parmy
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Man’s got a point. For once.


18 posted on 10/22/2013 8:28:46 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

I’m sure Obastard would say Gates is “acting stupidly.”


19 posted on 10/22/2013 8:31:16 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (We're At That Awkward Stage: It's too late to vote them out, too early to shoot the bastards.)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Well, this is an improvement over race discrimination, but I don’t think it’s more moral to disadvantage (or favor) a rich kid simply because they have money.

Government currently discriminates against white owned businesses. Minority-owned businesses, for example, get a leg up on government contracts. If we follow the professor’s advice, the government would hire companies that are struggling financially over ones that are prosperous.

The poor are not more (or less) noble than the rich. Robbing the rich to give to the poor is not more noble than oppressing the poor. Equal treatment under the law is a very worthy ideal enshrined in the US Constitution.


20 posted on 10/22/2013 9:01:53 AM PDT by CitizenUSA (Conservatives are not anarchists!)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

How about ending affirmative action - period.


21 posted on 10/22/2013 9:05:26 AM PDT by Altura Ct.
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To: MNnice
You never know.

They could go to Harvard, come out a great scientists and go on to invent something called “Purple Drank”.

Oh wait.

22 posted on 10/22/2013 9:10:13 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Wow... that IS a surprise! Thanks for the ping...


23 posted on 10/22/2013 9:56:29 AM PDT by nutmeg (I don't always speak to Obama voters. But when I do, I order fries...)
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