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Detroit Scraps Benefits for City Pensioners, Puts Them into ACA Exchange (Obamacare retirement)
Fox Business ^ | Oct. 16, 2013 | Kate Rogers

Posted on 10/22/2013 12:42:47 PM PDT by SteveH

As bankruptcy hearings continue in Detroit to determine the legality of the city’s historic Chapter 9 bankruptcy filing in July, state workers are hoping to get some clarity on the future of their pension benefits.

While bankruptcy and union lawyers continue to battle it out, the city has already announced significant changes to its retiree health benefits program. Effective Jan.1, retired city workers under age 65 will no longer receive full coverage from the state and will instead receive a $125 stipend to shop in Michigan’s health-care exchange under the newly-rolled out Affordable Care Act.

Retired city workers already eligible for Medicare will continue to have “most or all” of their costs covered by the city, according to The Detroit Free Press . At $6 billion, health-care benefits for retired city workers are nearly one-third of the city’s total $18 billion in liabilities. The Detroit Free Press also reports the city estimates these cuts will reduce coverage costs for retirees to $50 million or less from $170 million.

The Department of Health and Human Services estimates the average American will pay $328 per month for a premium health insurance plan on the exchanges before any subsidies. HHS reports the weighted average premiums in Michigan for a lowest cost silver plan are $271, $306 for the second-lowest cost silver plan and $222 for the lowest-cost bronze plan. The retired workers receiving the $125 monthly stipend in place of full benefits could still be eligible for subsidies under the ACA, for those making up to 400% of the federal poverty level—about $45,000 for an individual, according to the Kaiser Family Foundation.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; News/Current Events; US: Michigan
KEYWORDS: abortion; deathpanels; detroit; michigan; obamacare; retirement; zerocare
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1 posted on 10/22/2013 12:42:47 PM PDT by SteveH
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To: SteveH

Bwahahahahahahahahahaha.....thud

Sorry.


2 posted on 10/22/2013 12:46:56 PM PDT by EQAndyBuzz ("Senator Cruz basically made the Democrats fight for a whole bunch of things that they already had.")
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To: SteveH

I hope those folks younger than 65 voted for Barry Soetoro.


3 posted on 10/22/2013 12:46:56 PM PDT by Rappini (Veritas vos Liberabit)
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To: SteveH

A $125 dollar stipend, what an insult.

That is almost as insulting as Social Security paying out $250 dollars for a burial.


4 posted on 10/22/2013 12:50:13 PM PDT by Venturer (Keep Obama and you aint seen nothing yet.)
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To: SteveH

I think I will cancel my Michigan vacation planned for this year...


5 posted on 10/22/2013 12:51:55 PM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: SteveH

Sounds good to me!

My advice - get up at 3 AM to log-in, to avoid the rush on healthcare.gov


6 posted on 10/22/2013 12:52:21 PM PDT by PGR88
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To: Rappini

Most of them voted several times.


7 posted on 10/22/2013 12:53:58 PM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: SteveH
and will instead receive a $125 stipend to shop in Michigan’s health-care exchange

LOL.

Don't spend that all in one place.

8 posted on 10/22/2013 12:54:40 PM PDT by SIDENET
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To: SteveH

Those of us knew this was the plan all along. Put the bankrupt cities retirees healthcare onto the feds through obamacare.

Unexpected — not


9 posted on 10/22/2013 1:01:27 PM PDT by George from New England (escaped CT in 2006, now living north of Tampa)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

the point is that everyone with a retirement plan is potentially vulnerable to obamacare in the future... plus a $125 stipend for the inconvenience...


10 posted on 10/22/2013 1:03:06 PM PDT by SteveH (First they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they fight you. Then you win.)
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To: SteveH

bump

make all of America subsidize them?


11 posted on 10/22/2013 1:04:07 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: SteveH
Welcome to the Democrat Plantation!
12 posted on 10/22/2013 1:09:05 PM PDT by Darteaus94025 (Phony President)
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To: Venturer

> “That is almost as insulting as Social Security paying out $250 dollars for a burial.”

Why should Social Security pay anything for a funeral?


13 posted on 10/22/2013 1:15:18 PM PDT by jim_trent
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14 posted on 10/22/2013 1:17:12 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: jim_trent

Obviously you did not know they did.


15 posted on 10/22/2013 1:26:16 PM PDT by Venturer (Keep Obama and you aint seen nothing yet.)
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To: SteveH
New DemRat Bammy motto, 'ExChange you can can't believe in'.
16 posted on 10/22/2013 1:35:44 PM PDT by tflabo (Truth or Tyranny)
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To: SteveH
This is one of the things Ozippycare is all about. Having something to send former Union Workers of failed States and Municipalities into, to keep the Unions up and running. Next up, Chicago and Illinois. IMHO it is 1/2 a loaf for many of these Union Workers.

This is why Snyder wanted Medicare expansion so bad and nixed Pat Colbeck's free-market alternative by 1 vote in the Senate by a turn-coat Republican, he need something to put them. Must be too much of a Statist for a free-market alternative. I can't vote for him again because of this.

17 posted on 10/22/2013 1:38:52 PM PDT by taildragger (The E-GOP won't know what hit them, The Party of Reagan is almost here, hang tight folks....)
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To: SteveH

and the residents of DeToiloit will still vote for their DemoRats and blame others for their mess. Pure lunacy but so be it as they choose or refuse to see the truth. Oh well....


18 posted on 10/22/2013 1:41:25 PM PDT by tflabo (Truth or Tyranny)
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To: SteveH

Oh oh....somebody just got a bill for a free lunch.


19 posted on 10/22/2013 2:03:01 PM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: tflabo

you have to trademark that. please. lol...


20 posted on 10/22/2013 2:07:31 PM PDT by SteveH (First they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they fight you. Then you win.)
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To: Venturer
A $125 dollar stipend, what an insult.

Later in the article, it was clarified that the $125 stipend was a monthly amount which would equal $1500 per year. From the article:

The retired workers receiving the $125 monthly stipend in place of full benefits could still be eligible for subsidies under the ACA ...

21 posted on 10/22/2013 2:32:16 PM PDT by etcb
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To: jim_trent

To dispose of the body when there are no funds.


22 posted on 10/22/2013 2:34:22 PM PDT by Domangart
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To: EQAndyBuzz

Bwahahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa. Thud.

Not sorry.


23 posted on 10/22/2013 2:36:26 PM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: Springman; cyclotic; netmilsmom; RatsDawg; PGalt; FreedomHammer; queenkathy; madison10; ...
I'm a little slow on the pings today. I've apparently got Cholera or the Hanta virus or something.

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Michigan legislative action thread

Well I guess that's one way to bring the Obamacare numbers up.
24 posted on 10/22/2013 2:50:03 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: EGPWS
I think I will cancel my Michigan vacation planned for this year...

Why? Were you planning on a Detroit vacation?
25 posted on 10/22/2013 2:51:14 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: jim_trent

To ensure you keep voting ;-)


26 posted on 10/22/2013 2:55:10 PM PDT by Squawk 8888 (I'd give up chocolate but I'm no quitter)
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To: SteveH
Detroit Scraps Benefits for City Pensioners, Puts Them into ACA Exchange

They voted for it and now they are going to get it.

I find it funny.

And then I remember how Detroit used to be and I get mad.

27 posted on 10/22/2013 2:57:33 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Proud Infidel, Gun Nut, Religious Fanatic and Freedom Fiend)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

Good!


28 posted on 10/22/2013 2:59:48 PM PDT by sport
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To: SteveH

HA HA HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


29 posted on 10/22/2013 3:00:48 PM PDT by Mr. K (Lies, Damned Lies, Statistics, and then Democrat Talking Points.)
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To: cripplecreek

Nah, actually I’m going in for a bionic hip replacement next week here in GA.


30 posted on 10/22/2013 3:02:44 PM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: EGPWS

If you want to take a vacation in Michigan, make it rural.


31 posted on 10/22/2013 3:04:35 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: SteveH

I can hear the wailing now...”But, I was always a good Democrat; I volunteered and donated, helped with stuffin’ the votes in the back room of the union hall, and even beat up on some Tea partiers! Now you’re gonna put me on the serf plan instead of the congress plan? You can’t do that!”


32 posted on 10/22/2013 3:20:30 PM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed & water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: Venturer
That is almost as insulting as Social Security paying out $250 dollars for a burial.

$255, IIRC.

33 posted on 10/22/2013 3:22:00 PM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed & water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: jim_trent

“Why should Social Security pay anything for a funeral?”

Why should taxpayers pay anything for useless, fat-ass government bureaucrats?


34 posted on 10/22/2013 4:36:01 PM PDT by sergeantdave
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To: cripplecreek
I've apparently got Cholera or the Hanta virus or something.

No treatment for you, 'creek. Obamacare operatives know you are a ping list operator on the terrorist website. You're a prime death-panel belt notch for some faceless bureaucrat, after the IRS loots your belongings. Adios, bro. / some sarcasm

35 posted on 10/22/2013 5:00:11 PM PDT by PGalt
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To: sergeantdave; All
Why should taxpayers pay anything for useless, fat-ass government bureaucrats?

BUMP!

DISMANTLE/DEFUND the leviathan.

He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harrass our people, and eat out their substance.

--That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

36 posted on 10/22/2013 5:08:30 PM PDT by PGalt
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To: PGalt
I don't get truly sick very often but when I do it puts me down hard. Thank God for good neighbors who knew I was sick and came over and installed a couple of winders for me. I've got two more to put in but I don't have an 8 foot hole in my wall.

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37 posted on 10/22/2013 5:21:33 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: cripplecreek
I don't get truly sick very often but when I do it puts me down hard.

Same here, 'creek. I do hope that your recovery is complete. (I despise being sick)

38 posted on 10/22/2013 5:36:18 PM PDT by PGalt
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To: PGalt

The fever broke an hour or so ago and its like magic. I’ve still got the congestion and cough but no more fever, chills and aches.


39 posted on 10/22/2013 5:39:20 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: GeronL

make all of America subsidize them?<<

Yup!...The 53% of us that are left...That still pay taxes..


40 posted on 10/22/2013 6:14:28 PM PDT by M-cubed
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To: cripplecreek
Why? Were you planning on a Detroit vacation? <<

Why?...lol...To use my new AR-15 is prolly not the right answer...Huh?...*W*

41 posted on 10/22/2013 6:22:24 PM PDT by M-cubed
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To: JimRed

reality is such a great teacher...lol..Let em eat cake too!


42 posted on 10/22/2013 6:27:01 PM PDT by M-cubed
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To: PGalt

He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harrass our people, and eat out their substance.

I worked for nearly 20 years in local government, trying to dismantle bureaucratic departments. I got nearly zero help by conservatives in my community. These people were more interested in barbecuing ribs, watching sports and refinishing kitchens than attending a village council meeting. And then they wonder why commies teach in their schools and their property taxes are sky-high.

I seriously believe that conservatives will not get off their fat butts until a jackboot is on their throats. Conservatives are more interested in worshipping mammon than securing liberty for their children.


43 posted on 10/22/2013 6:51:43 PM PDT by sergeantdave
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To: SteveH

Nope, didn’t see this coming.....oh wait!

“If you like your insurance, you’ll be able to keep your insurance.” -Liar in chief


44 posted on 10/23/2013 7:22:33 AM PDT by CSM (Keeper of the Dave Ramsey Ping list. FReepmail me if you want your beeber stuned.)
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To: cripplecreek

Here is a reminder of the “Thank you note” from Lt. Gov with regards to the help in getting the exchange passed:

Dear Friends,

There are times when any family has disagreements. I have always been a principled conservative voice inside the administration, but when the Governor makes a decision I will support and help implement that decision.

Unfortunately, Obamacare is currently the law of the land and states have to decide how to make the best of it for working families and taxpayers. Conservative Governors such as Jan Brewer in Arizona, John Kasich in Ohio, and Rick Scott in Florida are all taking a similar approach to what we have here in Michigan - only our state added key personal responsibility reforms.

Although I understand the arguments that some people are making on the other side of this issue, the fact remains that there is a strong conservative argument for Medicaid Reform. By passing the Healthy Michigan plan, we will save hundreds of thousands of our friends and neighbors from being forced into the Obamacare exchanges, and it does so at a much smaller cost to the taxpayers.

I am very proud of our record of accomplishment in the last three years. We passed conservative budgets in record time, reduced debt, reformed the tax code, and have made the tough decisions to clean up the city of Detroit. Most importantly, we took on the liberal labor unions and won a major victory for hardworking taxpayers. Michigan is now a Right to Work state. Who would have thought that was possible just a few short years ago?

So although we as a family will have disagreements from time to time, I encourage people to remember that blood is thicker than water and we stand together fighting for our principles – lower spending, less taxes, less government regulation and interference, and a free market economy that can create jobs. Ultimately, we all need to decide whether we stick together through thick and thin, or whether we risk turning back to the failed policies of the past.

I am an unabashed, passionate Conservative, a team player, and I support our Republican family. I know you do too.

Much remains to be done, but thank you for all you are doing to help us move our State forward from the failed policies of the previous decade. I look forward to working with you to keep the Michigan Comeback alive.

Sincerely,

Lt. Gov. Brian Calley


45 posted on 10/23/2013 7:30:02 AM PDT by CSM (Keeper of the Dave Ramsey Ping list. FReepmail me if you want your beeber stuned.)
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To: cripplecreek

And my response:

Please remove me from your distribution list. I don’t need to hear from quisling GOPe members that have no sense of history. Your argument is the same that was made nearly 50 years ago and look where that got us. Instead of realizing history, you prefer to “build upon” the collectivism that will enslave my grandchildren.

I will fight, you can concede. Just stay out of our way.

“When Medicare launched, nobody had any clue whether it would work”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/05/17/when-medicare-launched-nobody-had-any-clue-whether-it-would-work/

-snip-

Medicare is, these days, an incredibly popular program. Americans overwhelmingly oppose cutting it. No politician would consider repealing it. Most think providing health insurance to all Americans over 65 is worth the both the trouble and the cost.

This was not always true. Back in 1966, as Medicare was just about to launch, nobody knew whether the new program would provide benefits to millions or fail completely. Sound familiar?

-snip-

Like the Affordable Care Act, the fight over Medicare was contentious. President John F. Kennedy had tried to extend health benefits to the elderly and failed.

The American Medical Association vehemently opposed the law. Two months before President Lyndon B. Johnson signed Medicare into law, the American Medical Association ran ads across the country denouncing the program as “the beginning of socialized medicine.”

-snip-

The federal government launched “Project Medicare Alert,” a program that hired 5,000 workers to enroll seniors in Medicare. The “$2 million crash effort,” as described by The Post, was meant to “inform isolated elderly Americans of the availability of Medicare benefits.” Workers, hired for a 20-week stint, were paid $1.25 per hour.

-end snip-


46 posted on 10/23/2013 7:31:26 AM PDT by CSM (Keeper of the Dave Ramsey Ping list. FReepmail me if you want your beeber stuned.)
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To: SteveH

Oh....my....sides


47 posted on 10/23/2013 7:32:13 AM PDT by AppyPappy (Obama: What did I not know and when did I not know it?)
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To: SteveH

I hope that all the mayors and city council members who drove Detroit down the path to bankruptcy are included in this. Or do they have a separate, gold-plated retirement?


48 posted on 10/23/2013 7:35:31 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: EGPWS

good just more space for me...LOL

Michigan is trying to get away from the commie and you are mad now so what is it free lunch or earn your way??

In all fairness the city government workers union grab too much of the pie which was not reasonable!


49 posted on 10/27/2013 8:24:25 AM PDT by restornu (Love One Another)
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To: cripplecreek; EGPWS

If you want to take a vacation in Michigan, make it rural.

***

That should be If you want to take a vacation in Michigan, and live, make it rural.

and some of mother nature’s most beautiful places on earth!:)


50 posted on 10/27/2013 8:29:09 AM PDT by restornu (Love One Another)
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