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Column: The militarization of U.S. police forces
Reuters ^ | 10/22/2013 | Michael Shank and Elizabeth Beavers

Posted on 10/23/2013 1:36:15 AM PDT by stevie_d_64

This month, more Mine-Resistant Ambush-Protected vehicles (MRAPs) have found their way from the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq to the Main Streets of America. These are just the latest acquisitions in a growing practice by Pentagon that's militarizing America's municipal police forces.

Police departments in Boise and Nampa, Idaho, each acquired an MRAP, as did the force in High Springs, Florida. The offer of war-ready machinery, at practically no cost, has proven hard to resist for local police departments. Increasingly, they are looking like soldiers equipped for battle.

The growing similarity between our domestic police forces and the U.S. military is a result of the Pentagon's 1033 Program. This allows the Defense Department to donate surplus military equipment and weapons to law enforcement agencies. In addition to the frightening presence of paramilitary weapons in American towns, the program has led to rampant fraud and abuse.

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1 posted on 10/23/2013 1:36:16 AM PDT by stevie_d_64
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To: Travis McGee

Now it is becoming public knowledge that the “programs” are officially numbered, sanctioned by departments in both the government and local police jurisdictions...

Adding that there is more than enough fraud and abuse of the equipment, funds and other uses of this equipment that the govenrment is trying to offload at taxpayers expense “again”...

Same old story, just more information on other aspects of this issue...

Obviously we are only scratching the surface of what they want, or not want, us to know about...

Bear in mind the name of the program...Something you might be able to Google in the future...


2 posted on 10/23/2013 1:41:39 AM PDT by stevie_d_64 (It's not the color of one's skin that offends people...it's how thin it is.)
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To: stevie_d_64

We need a kinder and gentler police force. where not everybody is required to be armed. We need less swat and more beat cops.


3 posted on 10/23/2013 1:49:57 AM PDT by Usagi_yo
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To: Usagi_yo

Police, even in small towns, were morphing into jack booted thugs before I left the USA. It may be a forerunner to nationalizing all police to enforce the new Marxist USSA.


4 posted on 10/23/2013 1:59:25 AM PDT by AlexW
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To: stevie_d_64

I was driving home from work yesterday and noticed a sign on the side of the road that said, “Police Training ahead”. There were 2 of those armored vehicles painted flat black and lots of guys with military style weapons and uniforms conducting some kind of training in the parking lot of what used to be a bank. I understand that the police need to train but this was in a relatively conspicuous area near a busy intersection. Why do it there at 3:00 in the afternoon during rush hour? Has anyone else ever seen a sign that reads, “Police Training ahead”. I haven’t; and I’ve never seen anything like this in my life. This is an odd thing to see especially in Vancouver (Orchards) Washington.


5 posted on 10/23/2013 2:06:41 AM PDT by not_under_duress
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To: not_under_duress

>> There were 2 of those armored vehicles painted flat black and lots of guys with military style weapons and uniforms

When the SHTF, remember to bring squirrels.


6 posted on 10/23/2013 2:11:38 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: stevie_d_64

Defund the police.


7 posted on 10/23/2013 2:11:54 AM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Power disintegrates when people withdraw their obedience and support)
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To: Usagi_yo

We need police that carry revolvers.


8 posted on 10/23/2013 2:12:16 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: AlexW

>> I left the USA.

Really?


9 posted on 10/23/2013 2:12:18 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: AlexW

Are you calling our US Army reserves “jack booted thugs?”


10 posted on 10/23/2013 2:12:45 AM PDT by Domangart
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To: Domangart

How are they connected to the obvious militarization?


11 posted on 10/23/2013 2:21:29 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: RKBA Democrat

“Defund the police.”

That’s what happened in Newark NJ; 160 laid off in the murder capital of NJ so teachers could get their raises...

To be fair, the cops weren’t doing anything anyway.


12 posted on 10/23/2013 2:25:01 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: AlexW

Obama had proclaimed what he believed to be a need for a “civilian national security force”, to be as well funded and trained as the military forces. It seems like this plan is going forward well on schedule.

The US military cannot be used for enforcement of civil order within the United States, because of something called the Posse Comitatus act of 1878, which is still in effect. When soldiers are deployed to enforce civil order, they are National Guard units, state militia, ostensibly called up by the state governor of the particular state involved, but if the Guard units are nationalized, they must cease their efforts at maintaining law enforcement.

So an end run around both the Constitution and the intent of Amendment III of the bill of rights is in order, much like the private army that François Duvalier had instituted in Haiti.

The Tonton Macoutes were a Haitian paramilitary force created in 1959 and reporting directly to François ‘Papa Doc’ Duvalier until his death in 1971. ‘Papa Doc’ came to power in 1957, as a democratically elected leader on a populist platform. He had previously served as Minister of Health. After an attempted coup against him in 1958, Duvalier rewrote the Haitian constitution, making himself a ‘President for Life’. Believing the Army was planning to overthrow him (as they had previous leaders), he disbanded all law enforcement agencies in Haiti, including the army. He executed all high-ranking Generals. To keep law enforcement completely loyal to his own ruling family, he created the Tonton Macoutes, who were granted automatic amnesty through his powers for any crime they committed.


13 posted on 10/23/2013 2:29:58 AM PDT by alloysteel (Men may not always be capable of evil, but they are always capable of incompetence.)
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To: Domangart

“Are you calling our US Army reserves “jack booted thugs?””
________________________________________________
I said absolutely NOTHING about US military people.
I have no idea how you came to such a conclusion.


14 posted on 10/23/2013 2:30:07 AM PDT by AlexW
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To: not_under_duress

Visability is intimidation alone...Some people will take it as a positive in which they’ll exclaim, “LOOK!!! They are here to protect us!!! USA USA USA USA!!!”

For some it will be percieved that this is the new norm, and that when you see it again, it could be for real...For what, I have yet to see a justification for a public presense (like that) for any reason...

If the people manning these departments are full of combat veterans looking to re-kindle that “jazz” feeling they got when “outside the wire”...Those types of law enforcement we do not need on the streets, but somewhere, some people in your local governments think this will protect them and their jobs if they have forces like this that are just as good as the military...

At least on paper...

But for every example of when para-military law enforcement units like these are deployed, it is during a time when they government has lost control, and there is a convention of thought that somehow justifies their pre-planning to aquire equipment and personnel liike this to quell and subdue the easy populace...

Go back and look at how Boston handled their crisis...For two little twerps that quite a few agencies already had a line on in the first place...They just didn’t put all the dots together, and having the force to subdue an entire city in this country was more acceptable than applying preventative medicine to the sore...

How about how you cannot cop a squat in our nations capitol without garnering the attention of some geek-monkey monitoring a bank of camera feeds...But somehow a deranged mother suffering (how convienient) from PPD, who led that town on a short chase on those streets needed to killed by an increasingly violent tedeny driven police force...

The more you question the outcomes, the more it whittles away at the justification of such up-armored police forces in this country...

And we all wonder why the economy, and social condition of this country is in such disarray???

All it will take now is one serious incident and this entire country will come un-glued...

I would like to think we can handle that without reacting with a force like this who’s purpose is to not prevent, but to control the population...

And to do this at 3pm in rush hour traffic is to do so for only one reason...To desensitize you and many others to the fact that when it does blow up, you will not be allowed to do anything but follow orders, and if you refuse, you can be dealt with summarily...When they very well could be going after the “real” problem...

Interesting times we live in...


15 posted on 10/23/2013 2:34:13 AM PDT by stevie_d_64 (It's not the color of one's skin that offends people...it's how thin it is.)
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To: alloysteel

ding ding ding ding ding ding...winner winner winner winner winner!!!

;-)


16 posted on 10/23/2013 2:36:30 AM PDT by stevie_d_64 (It's not the color of one's skin that offends people...it's how thin it is.)
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To: AlexW

>> I said absolutely NOTHING about US military people.

Agreed. You didn’t.


17 posted on 10/23/2013 2:38:19 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: alloysteel

“The US military cannot be used for enforcement of civil order within the United States, because of something called the Posse Comitatus act of 1878, which is still in effect.”
__________________________________________________________
Do you really think that will stop Obama? He has usurped the
constitution from the day he filed to run for POTUS.


18 posted on 10/23/2013 2:39:11 AM PDT by AlexW
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To: not_under_duress

Very interesting. It reminds me of a radio station I listened to when in Seattle, who’s call letters I don’t remember. They had a little on air ditty for their station that broadcast their coverage, “from Vancouver to Vancouver”. Did a search for it but came up empty. That would have been around 1969.


19 posted on 10/23/2013 2:42:26 AM PDT by wita
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To: All

If you Google, or Yahell “Pentagon’s 1033 Program”

And manage to sift through and not get bogged down in the conspiracy theory rut, there is a lot to be gained in reading between the lines and begin to ask valid, non-conspiracy theory laden questions...

For it to be initially labeled as “free” surplus is such a kook hook, its not even funny...none of this stuff is ever given away from free...The grants these departments wrote to get money to convert, maintain and operate this surplus equipment is where the money is...

Our districts down here have bought more Army heavy “high water” vehicles for flooding emergencies than other places I have heard that have the same problem...The upkeep, conversion, paint-jobs and storage of these vehicles is not cheap...And all we are talking about there are trucks...Not your sexy MRAP’s for the “jazz-seekers” who wanna look cool ebfore they are really needed for controlling the public during civil disturbances...etc etc etc...

A simple question that needs to always and never let up on is this...

What are these MRAP’s to be used for??? And what justifies us keeping them active, and not under some temporary contract if we only need them for “warrant duty”...

But you have to have politicians with the political courage to question these potential aquisistions with realistic expectations and caution those who want these things without question...

A rarity these days...


20 posted on 10/23/2013 2:49:21 AM PDT by stevie_d_64 (It's not the color of one's skin that offends people...it's how thin it is.)
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To: stevie_d_64

Frankly Scarlett, I got more of that ding ding feeling from 15 but they both apply.


21 posted on 10/23/2013 2:52:10 AM PDT by wita
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To: stevie_d_64

In my world, in an attempt to avoid suicide by cop, warrant service is by plainclothes wearing, UNARMED policemen. The days of dynamic entry to protect the servers is over. It is the public that now needs protection from the police forces.


22 posted on 10/23/2013 2:58:54 AM PDT by wita
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To: stevie_d_64

I was confused they were chasing the Boston Bomber around with these. It was clear he didn’t have one of his own, or any other heavy military equipment such as a howitzer.

I cannot imagine a single event in any city that would justify having this, other than massive uprisings.


23 posted on 10/23/2013 3:07:09 AM PDT by castlegreyskull
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To: stevie_d_64
Example of what can go wrong with things like this. Small town cops getting a chance to play big-city SWAT bada##es ...

"THE RAID

At about 2 p.m. members of the team, including the nine stack members, dressed in body armor and wearing helmets, left the Easton EMS offices about two and a half miles from Dogwood Drive. Chief Solomon and the team leaders drove off in sports utility vehicles while the rest of the officers boarded their large armored transport. Instead of climbing inside, several of the men chose to stand on the transport's running boards.

The team headed up Sports Hill Road, men in helmets and armor hanging off the tank-like vehicle. As they rolled into the quiet neighborhood residents either ran into their homes in terror or let curiosity get the better of them, according to police reports. One woman followed the two snipers as they got off the transport and moved into the woods near Terebesi's house"
25 posted on 10/23/2013 3:15:43 AM PDT by tanknetter
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To: stevie_d_64

Next brain stem compliance implants for new officers


26 posted on 10/23/2013 3:16:56 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: not_under_duress

> I was driving home from work yesterday and noticed a sign on the side of the road that said, “Police Training ahead”. There were 2 of those armored vehicles painted flat black and lots of guys with military style weapons and uniforms conducting some kind of training in the parking lot of what used to be a bank. I understand that the police need to train but this was in a relatively conspicuous area near a busy intersection. Why do it there at 3:00 in the afternoon during rush hour? Has anyone else ever seen a sign that reads, “Police Training ahead”. I haven’t; and I’ve never seen anything like this in my life. This is an odd thing to see especially in Vancouver (Orchards) Washington.

You probably already know the answer. It was probably a show of force to the public to create fear and a loss of hope in rising up against the might of the “state”. 0 loves to use psychological manipulation; its one of his allmarks (other than lying and deception). It wouldn’t surprise me one bit if he had issued a memo to police agencies across the nation to do this and supplied them with military grade firepower to showoff to the public create fear particularly in conservative regions.


28 posted on 10/23/2013 3:26:45 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: Domangart

> Are you calling our US Army reserves “jack booted thugs?”

The sign said “Police Training Ahead”. Would usually refer to municipal police unless these were military police officers.


29 posted on 10/23/2013 3:29:22 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: stevie_d_64

America’s rural militias should get dibs on this equipment, have our future warriors grow up around this equipment. The armed highway robbers in blue are useless when it comes to risking their retirement at 50 plans. They have to get home safely to work on their biceps.


30 posted on 10/23/2013 3:55:47 AM PDT by Reeses
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To: jsanders2001
I keep remembering a comment that resonated with me.

"These militarized police appear intimidating, but are not prepared to operate on an even force basis."
31 posted on 10/23/2013 3:55:51 AM PDT by Robert Teesdale
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To: Usagi_yo

It still happens.


32 posted on 10/23/2013 4:06:05 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: AlexW

I live outside the US part time...but always stay in touch.


33 posted on 10/23/2013 4:25:37 AM PDT by rrrod (at home in Medellin Colombia)
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To: stevie_d_64

I remember conversations in here about whether or not local police would help Obama when the SHTF.

They will, believe me.

They will enforce confiscation and they will enforce incarceration. Believe it.

Police officers are a fraternity, when they become LEO’s they forget where they came from, they are now separate from us. They no longer even trust their closest friend, and most have no close friends unless it is other officers.


34 posted on 10/23/2013 4:30:08 AM PDT by Venturer (Keep Obama and you aint seen nothing yet.)
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To: rrrod

“I live outside the US part time...but always stay in touch.”
_________________________________________________
While I am a full time expat, I am on FR all day, every day,
My American lineage goes back to Uncle Sam, but I will not be a slave to the Marxist.


35 posted on 10/23/2013 4:38:38 AM PDT by AlexW
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To: raybbr

You would be foolish not to consider it.


37 posted on 10/23/2013 4:54:49 AM PDT by sunrise_sunset
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To: stevie_d_64

Pretty soooon.........they will have to figure out whose side they’re on.


38 posted on 10/23/2013 4:55:06 AM PDT by Flintlock ("The redcoats are coming" -- TO SEIZE OUR GUNS!!--Paul Revere)
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To: wku man

Filipinos have to deal with a truly criminal police force that infects their entire system.

As a tourist an American you are protected from it, but it is far worse there , still.


39 posted on 10/23/2013 4:56:33 AM PDT by sunrise_sunset
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To: wku man
you = your

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

41 posted on 10/23/2013 5:08:58 AM PDT by wku man (It's almost deer season, got your DEERGOGGLES on yet? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jexrnFq2fXY)
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To: AlexW; alloysteel
"The US military cannot be used for enforcement of civil order"

On the surface that is true, but behind the first responders are the second responders.

It was under Bush that the US Northern Command was established(by proclamation) and you need to know what their duties are. DHS was created (by Congress) and these DHS grants to local law enforcement are substantial.

The War on Drugs began with Nixon and Reagan was the first to give military surplus to local law enforcement.

There is lots written on this subject but Balko's book, "Rise of the Warrior Cop", published earlier this year is the most comprehensive

42 posted on 10/23/2013 5:09:20 AM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: castlegreyskull

If a massive uprising is justification for the militarization of the nations civilian police forces, then maybe what we ougth to be focusing on is the reason behind the uprising, or, better yet, figure out why Joe Q. Citizen is upset, and not inflame the situation by confronting it with militarized law enforcement in MRAP’s, automatic rifles, grenade launchers, road blocks, etc etc etc...

They certainly didn’t do very much to quell the LA riots after the verdict was announced...Huh, you think that they’d have had some sort of cooling off period before such a public announcement...The public in that city was keyed up and ready to hit the streets regardless of the verdict...And the media was right there ready to record it all for posterity...

Strange how that all worked out for the people in those industries, and the people most efffected were the normal business owners and citizens going about their business for that day...


43 posted on 10/23/2013 5:09:28 AM PDT by stevie_d_64 (It's not the color of one's skin that offends people...it's how thin it is.)
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To: Domangart

When given the orders to become jack booted thugs, the armed forces, reserves and state and local police will become jack booted thugs. The Park Service had no qualms about it.

People in paramilitary organizations follow orders.


44 posted on 10/23/2013 5:12:44 AM PDT by henkster (Communists never negotiate.)
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To: Ben Ficklin

“”The US military cannot be used for enforcement of civil order” “
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It is usually the state’s national guard that is called up
when there is civil disobedience that is too much for local police. I remember it in Memphis.


45 posted on 10/23/2013 5:17:36 AM PDT by AlexW
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To: jsanders2001

Ok, I’ll bite...For the sake of argument, what is a “military police officer”???

Are those the guys they hire for the DoD for security and response at military installations around the country, or are you refereing to the specialists in the armed forces that handle investigations as commissioned officers in the military and the enlisted personnel providing support for those tasks???

Seems to me those DoD military police officers did a grat job “responding” to the Navy Yard shooting recently...

Keyword, “Respond”...

Words left out, “Prevent, protect...”

The latter being a high court opinion that police forces are not there to protect ordinary citizens, they are only there to respond, after the fact...

So, not that I’m trying to get under your skin, nothiung of the sort, I am only illustrating the futility of the effort and waste of money, just so that our local state and national governments can feel like they have the ability to control something...

After the fact...Meaning they failed to do a job in the right way...But then again, when in instances have they done jobs like this in the right way...

I’m jus sayin’...hehe


46 posted on 10/23/2013 5:18:22 AM PDT by stevie_d_64 (It's not the color of one's skin that offends people...it's how thin it is.)
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To: stevie_d_64

> Ok, I’ll bite...For the sake of argument, what is a “military police officer”???

Professional gatekeepers and fencewalkers...lol

For the most part anyway...: )


47 posted on 10/23/2013 5:21:29 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: Domangart

> Are you calling our US Army reserves “jack booted thugs?”

Only if they begin acting like them but since most are patriots and God fearing men and women in uniform I’d say nah. I think the recent purge of the officers may have had to do with their faith and feelings about the current leadership in office.


48 posted on 10/23/2013 5:25:19 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: stevie_d_64

The police were not interested in quelling the riots of LA. The riots of la did not effect or threaten the power structure. The focus of the police now is directed to controlling the slave class, i.e. workers and producers that pay the taxes that support them, the parasites, and the power structure.


49 posted on 10/23/2013 5:30:44 AM PDT by sport
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To: Robert Teesdale

Well, I call a timeout here...

I for one would not mind a police force being totally overwhelming to a legitimate, crime prevention or reactionary necessity...

Justifying their up-armored vehicles, weapons, tactics for those types of responses in most traditional cases IS justified...

What is happening with a great many of us who can read between the lines, see the training, have been a part of it in some way, shape or form...Have seen the directives, memos, public policy etc etc etc, have been able to put it all together and have come up with, and I know you have as well, some very concerning summations...

Then to see the over simplistic excuses for the revelation that comes with these purchases, or “gifts”, from the government, in regards to one or two simple police functions, that used to be performed by “normal” uniformed, credentialed officers of the court,(i.e.: warrant services) etc etc etc...

None of which add up, nor do they justify, these aquisitions by the domestic civilian police departments...

I think we are all mostly on the same page, and know why these things are happening, I have seen some of your comments in the past, and feel we are on the same page, but I do not want to put words in your mouth...

I would not desire to insult anyone participating in this conversation at all...Not my intent...I just want to engage a little “out of the box” thought processes...


50 posted on 10/23/2013 5:31:15 AM PDT by stevie_d_64 (It's not the color of one's skin that offends people...it's how thin it is.)
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