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It begins: Demsí number two in the House calls for more money for ObamaCare website
Hotair ^ | 10/23/2013 | AllahPundit

Posted on 10/23/2013 7:21:18 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

The best part of this is that he admits he doesn’t know if the site actually needs more money or not. “Give them a little” is something he seems to say almost reflexively, I guess because when a government program is failing badly, that’s just what you do. For Hoyer, throwing another hundred million or two into this quicksand is really just a symbolic vote of confidence in it, I think, nothing more. When you’re $17 trillion in debt, it’s all Monopoly money at this point anyway.

I wonder if he knows that the site’s already three times over budget. I know he wouldn’t care if he did know, but does he know? I’m curious to see just how closely the Democratic leadership is following the growth of this precious little pony they gifted to America.

Asked Tuesday how Congress could help improve the system by which millions of Americans must buy insurance by the end of the year, the House minority whip and Maryland Democrat said, “We can give them a little money.”

“[Republicans have] been pretty much focused in the House of Representatives on undermining the implementation of the Affordable Care Act in every which way that we possibly could,” he said.

Hoyer admitted that he does not know whether the project, which has already cost more than $400 million, has faced funding problems. “I don’t think that’s the reason,” he said. “If I know that, I’ll blame it.”…

“I certainly believe it’s a bad performance,” Hoyer said. “Obviously this was not done the way it should have been done, and I’m sure if I was a Republican I would yell and scream about it as well.

Ace notes that that line about Republicans undermining implementation may signal a sly inchoate Democratic attempt to suggest, without clearly stating, that it’s the shutdown that caused Healthcare.gov’s problems, not Obama’s incompetence. That’s false, of course, but there are indeed people out there in this great big country of ours who believe it. Expect to hear more of it as “repairs” to the site drag on and on, and on. Meanwhile, Ben Domenech saw the “more money” gambit coming a few days ago:

4. With the White House’s blessing, a Gang of Insert Number Here with some vulnerable/moderate Dems (Manchin, Landrieu, Pryor, Begich, Heitkamp, Warner… maybe Baucus?) could press for a package of “fix the exchanges” legislation, which could conceivably offer Republicans a chance to pass delay while appropriating more funding for the exchanges – something like: delay the mandate, delay some of the goodies, and take the exchanges offline and give them more money to fix them.

Are there even six Republicans in the Senate willing to be part of a gang like that, though? The idea of any GOPer colluding with Democrats to fix the exchanges, even if they’re able to win a delay of the law in the process, seems unthinkable to me. They’d be accused of rescuing O’s boondoggle at a moment of supreme weakness; everything you heard after the shutdown ended about RINOs like Boehner and McConnell now “owning” O-Care because they couldn’t figure out a way to stop it would multiply by a hundred. On the other hand, if the caucus unites in opposition and vows not a penny more for “repairs,” they risk being perceived as endorsing the “let it burn” approach to O-Care. Even Ted Cruz has problems with LIB — for good reason, says Breitbart’s Joel Pollak:

It is tempting, now that President Barack Obama and the mainstream media are rubbing Republicans’ noses in the mess that was the government shutdown, to let them take the “credit” for Obamacare and force them to implement it as “settled law.” After all, they played their part in forcing the shutdown by resisting any change or delay at all to Obamacare. So let them take the “credit” for that supposedly triumphant stance.

The problem is that a member of Congress has to face his or her constituents and explain what he or she is doing to help them–not in 2017, when the only realistic possibility for repealing Obamacare will arise, but today. It would be unacceptable for Rubio or Cruz to tell their constituents that the voters have to be taught a lesson. So they have to take some kind of action to “fix” Obamacare, while still pressing for its repeal.

The only way to spare the public pain from ObamaCare, the “defunders” will say, was to defund it before it started. True, but Senate math being what it was, it wasn’t going to happen. And it didn’t happen, so what’s the Plan B to spare people now? Rubio proposes delaying the individual mandate to prevent them from suffering an unjust penalty, but if Democrats agreed to do that, it would wreak more immediate havoc on the insurance industry than fixing the website would. I’m not sure what Cruz’s Plan B is but no doubt we’ll find out in the next few days. This is why Domenech thinks the gang option is, although improbable, at least possible: You may get six purple-state Republicans who decide that the least bad option here between cutting O a blank check and declaring that not a penny of money will be spent to rescue ObamaCare no matter how many Biblical plagues its half-assed implementation unleashes upon the land is to give Obama the money he needs for the site in return for major concessions on the order of delaying the law for awhile. Can’t wait for that next round of RINO/true conservative throat-slitting.


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1 posted on 10/23/2013 7:21:18 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Duh!

Since Dem’s #2 is in the White House.....


2 posted on 10/23/2013 7:23:03 AM PDT by G Larry (Let his days be few; and let another take his office. Psalms 109:8)
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To: SeekAndFind

I heard a stat today that for what has already been spent they could pay for 5000 years worth of man hours at 200 bucks a pop.


3 posted on 10/23/2013 7:23:14 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: SeekAndFind
Hoyer
4 posted on 10/23/2013 7:24:32 AM PDT by gov_bean_ counter (Romans 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools)
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To: SeekAndFind

It is all part of the plan. Democrats passed it without one single Republican vote. Yet now they will ask for more money and when the Republicans say “no” the dems will blame the Republicans for the failure of Obamacare. And you know who will go along with this? John Sidney McCain will be on show after show validating this crap. Before you know it the MSM will no longer be referring to it as Obamacare but as Boehnercare and the low information crowd will suck it up hook line and sinker.


5 posted on 10/23/2013 7:24:57 AM PDT by FlipWilson
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To: SeekAndFind

The way government typically works, the funding to fix the website will be more than the original cost of the website — and the original cost was just over $600 million.

This [the website, exclusive of Obamacare in general] is becoming the Obama Billion Dollar Blunder.


6 posted on 10/23/2013 7:26:27 AM PDT by TomGuy (.)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

Only a suggestion here...but since this is fresh new money for something we already paid for...I’d suggest to invent a new tax on software development companies and just pass the buck on down the line. Make it a nineteen percent tax for one year...just like that fancy medical appliance tax they invented...and shower the IT industry with the same pains as everyone else.


7 posted on 10/23/2013 7:27:08 AM PDT by pepsionice
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To: SeekAndFind

Governments pretty much tend to f*ck up anything and everything they touch.

Marxists never learn this simple fact, however, and our brain dead president clearly has never gleaned anything from even the most casual and simple-minded review of history such as an elementary student might make.


8 posted on 10/23/2013 7:28:03 AM PDT by Jack Hammer (American)
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To: SeekAndFind
RE :” Rubio proposes delaying the individual mandate to prevent them from suffering an unjust penalty, but if Democrats agreed to do that, it would wreak more immediate havoc on the insurance industry than fixing the website would”

Rub’s right here. Delaying just the personal mandate not only sounds good to the average American but it will cause more problems for Obamacare as only the will sign up to get their expenses paid.

Heck, Obama could be forced to do it himself, that could be good too as only Obamas finger prints are on it..

1) defunding it was never a real possibility
2) Delaying the whole bill could help Obama in the long run.
3) Delaying just the mandate is devious.

9 posted on 10/23/2013 7:29:15 AM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US Citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position)
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To: SeekAndFind

More money! More money! When do we want it? Now! What a freak show! Bailing out these “insurance companies” is going to make the auto industry bailout look like a garage sale.


10 posted on 10/23/2013 7:29:38 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Hold on to your burrito! Here comes amnesty!)
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To: SeekAndFind

NO BLANK CHECKS!!!

Remember how opposed you were to them back in the day, PROGs?


11 posted on 10/23/2013 7:31:51 AM PDT by Eagle of Liberty (Be the Enemy Within the Enemy Within...)
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To: Buckeye McFrog
Proving my old axiom, “No gubmint program is EVER a failure it's just ‘underfunded’.”
12 posted on 10/23/2013 7:31:54 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad & lived with his parents most his life.)
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To: TomGuy
This [the website, exclusive of Obamacare in general] is becoming the Obama Billion Dollar Blunder Plunder.

plun·der
verb (used with object)
1. to rob of goods or valuables by open force, as in war, hostile raids, brigandage, etc.: to plunder a town.
2. to rob, despoil, or fleece: to plunder the public treasury.
3. to take wrongfully, as by pillage, robbery, or fraud: to plunder a piece of property. verb (used without object)
4. to take plunder; pillage.

noun
5. plundering, pillage, or spoliation.
6. that which is taken in plundering; loot.
7. anything taken by robbery, theft, or fraud.

13 posted on 10/23/2013 7:32:32 AM PDT by MissMagnolia (You see, truth always resides wherever brave men still have ammunition. I pick truth. (John Ransom))
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To: SeekAndFind
NOT ONE DAMN DIME MORE!!!!!!

AND NO NEGOTIATIONS ON THAT EITHER!

14 posted on 10/23/2013 7:32:42 AM PDT by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
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To: SeekAndFind
This is the only way liberals deal with their failures like the War on Poverty. Keep throwing more money into the sewer and hiring more liberals to spend more money. p>

Only “hundreds” have been able to sign up for a health care plan at the Obamacare websites. The Wall Street Journal reported:

Okay now we will try the landline # 1-800-318-2596 listed above or 1-800-318-2596 = 1-800-FAU-CKYO.

Inspite of the Daily ObozoScamScare Trainwrecks, the ObozoScamScare Outhouse Band continues to play on:


15 posted on 10/23/2013 7:37:32 AM PDT by Grampa Dave ( Get our troops out of the middle east and let Allah sort out the Islamofascist losers!)
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To: pepsionice
I’d suggest to invent a new tax on software development companies and just pass the buck on down the line.

Why punish them for something they didn't do? Yes, an IT company effed up the website, but not every IT company.

Shared misery is the goal of socialism/communism.

16 posted on 10/23/2013 7:40:00 AM PDT by Lou L (Health "insurance" is NOT the same as health "care")
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To: Buckeye McFrog

Because nearly three quarters of a BILLION dollars wasn’t enough!


17 posted on 10/23/2013 7:40:40 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Buckeye McFrog
I heard a stat today that for what has already been spent they could pay for 5000 years worth of man hours at 200 bucks a pop.

That is off by an order of magnitude. Five thousand man-years (approximately 10 million man/hours) at $200/hour would be over $2 billion. Five hundred man-years at the same cost would be $200 million, which is on the low end of the cost estimates I have heard. So figure between 500-1500 man years, depending upon which cost estimate you believe.

18 posted on 10/23/2013 7:42:26 AM PDT by CA Conservative (Texan by birth, Californian by circumstance)
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To: SeekAndFind

A person can buy arguably the best designed car on the market and then spend ten times again as much to take it apart and sabotage every single component.
Use water for brake fluid, use aluminum wiring with acid flux soldering, use seawater for coolant, inflate the tires with hydrogen, the windshield is made from sugar.

Of course they need more money, cause it cost more to pay a person to deliberately create negatives, and then their is bribes to keep shut about it.


19 posted on 10/23/2013 7:43:30 AM PDT by Spartan302 (Spartans never quit, they come back later with more warriors. Asymmetrical Warfare.)
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To: SeekAndFind
There are SO many analogies that Republicans could liken this Obamacare roll-out to, if they only had some kind of leader that could grab the headlines.

"If your car is a lemon, you don't spend another two grand on chromed spinner wheels and a Bose speaker system!"

"If your house is a money pit, and its foundation is riddled with termite infestation, you don't drop fifty thousand to put in granite countertops and walnut cabinets."

Sooner or later, Republicans have to say, enough is enough. We can't keep throwing good money after bad.

20 posted on 10/23/2013 7:46:21 AM PDT by Lou L (Health "insurance" is NOT the same as health "care")
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To: SeekAndFind

“Bricks thrown through your window.....Call Al’s Glass.”


21 posted on 10/23/2013 7:46:51 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: SeekAndFind

Apparently a half a billion dollars is not enough.


22 posted on 10/23/2013 7:48:57 AM PDT by dhs12345
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To: sickoflibs

If only the sick people who really need insurance sign up, then the health insurance industry could collapse. They would have to raise premiums at a massive rate for everyone, which people couldn’t afford. If every health insurance company goes bankrupt, then even the Republicans won’t be able to refuse signing up for single payer, because there will no longer be a private sector option for citizens to cover huge medical bills.

The law says health insurance companies cannot charge more for sick people, and they cannot deny any people with pre-existing conditions from signing up. That’s why premiums for most people are going up. If the healthy people don’t sign up, which the individual mandate was supposed to force them to do, then the insurance companies will collapse under the dictates of Obamacare.

Republicans calling for a delay in the individual mandate with no other delays in the law are hastening the collapse of the insurance industry and the arrival of single payer.


23 posted on 10/23/2013 7:56:24 AM PDT by JediJones (The #1 Must-see Filibuster of the Year: TEXAS TED AND THE CONSERVATIVE CRUZ-ADE)
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RE :”If only the sick people who really need insurance sign up, then the health insurance industry could collapse. They would have to raise premiums at a massive rate for everyone, which people couldn’t afford. If every health insurance company goes bankrupt, then even the Republicans won’t be able to refuse signing up for single payer, because there will no longer be a private sector option for citizens to cover huge medical bills.

Yes they will be able to, as the pain spreads from Obama care and the GOP stays out of the way of this story , an feeds THIS STORY a bit, then pressure to repeal Obamacare will mount.

Even Dems know they cant get people to buy into gov run single payer if they prove to us that they cant even produce a working website.

I know Rush is now claiming Obama created a non-working website to promote single payer, much of Rush's logic is ridiculus and that is a great example.

24 posted on 10/23/2013 8:13:18 AM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US Citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position)
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To: SeekAndFind

SOunds like guvmint schools - more money = worse results.


25 posted on 10/23/2013 8:20:38 AM PDT by 1Old Pro
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To: JediJones
RE :”If only the sick people who really need insurance sign up, then the health insurance industry could collapse. They would have to raise premiums at a massive rate for everyone, which people couldn’t afford”

Many people will get taxpayer paid subsidies for the exchanges. As the uninured GO UP then Dems lose the argument completely.

26 posted on 10/23/2013 8:20:54 AM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US Citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position)
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To: SeekAndFind
“I certainly believe it’s a bad performance,” Hoyer said. “Obviously this was not done the way it should have been done, and I’m sure if I was a Republican I would yell and scream about it as well.

Oh, read between THESE lines. If Hoyer was a Republican he'd scream about financial mismanagement, malfeasance and incompetence. But he's not, so he's not screaming? That'll play well.

27 posted on 10/23/2013 8:32:16 AM PDT by Colonel_Flagg (Some people meet their heroes. I raised mine. Go Army.)
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To: sickoflibs
I agree with Rush.

Obama's answer to the failure of the website will be to blame the private sector insurance companies - Waxman is already promoting that meme.

He will point out the needless complexity of multiple insurance companies with a plethora of products.

By limiting the choices to only those developed by the government and having the collective pick up the tab (single-payer) the solution becomes trivial and a half-a-billion-dollar website becomes perfectly functional (by government standards).

We may then all go back to praising the wonder that is Obama (Mmmm...Mmmm...Mmmm...)

28 posted on 10/23/2013 8:35:23 AM PDT by Aevery_Freeman (Respect can not be demanded, it must be earned.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Obama and his thugs are at fault for constantly changing the requirements, spending too much, and for picking a company which may not have been capable.


29 posted on 10/23/2013 8:38:06 AM PDT by PghBaldy (12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team scouts photo-op locations.)
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To: Black Agnes

You have to write the check to know what the amount is.


30 posted on 10/23/2013 8:39:55 AM PDT by C210N (When people fear government there is tyranny; when government fears people there is liberty)
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To: sickoflibs

We are going to have single payer. I have no doubt of that. People aren’t blaming the Democrats for the problems, yet. By the time they do, it won’t matter, as they will have destroyed enough of the private sector we will have little alternative.


31 posted on 10/23/2013 8:50:18 AM PDT by PghBaldy (12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team scouts photo-op locations.)
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To: SeekAndFind

He has received his orders from the White House. Let’s print more money we don’t have to pay a bill we don’t need, and go deeper into a hole that we DO have.


32 posted on 10/23/2013 8:55:09 AM PDT by RetiredArmy (I am proud to be a Christian and follower of my Lord Jesus Christ. Time is short for U to know Him!)
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To: SeekAndFind

didn’t lucifercare require no reimbursement for doctors who make mistakes and want to charge twice for the same medical issue?


33 posted on 10/23/2013 9:04:42 AM PDT by nixonsnose (you never know how much pee splatters until you are standing at the urinal in flip flops.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Not enough time and money to do it right the first time.

So let’s fix it with more money and more time. THIS time it will work for sure!

I hope they hire even more incompetent idiots to fix the “glitches”


34 posted on 10/23/2013 9:18:37 AM PDT by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal the 16th Amendment)
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To: SeekAndFind

bump


35 posted on 10/23/2013 9:21:00 AM PDT by lowbridge
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To: SeekAndFind
“Give them a little” is something he seems to say almost reflexively, I guess because when a government program is failing badly, that’s just what you do.

No, it's a way to be able to blame somebody else when they don't spend the money.

36 posted on 10/23/2013 9:28:36 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (ZeroCare: Make them pay; do not delay.)
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To: SeekAndFind

It just needs more money.

Typical Dem.
Thanks, Steny.

I hope the Americans out of work and on reduced hours appreciate your comment for what it is.

Dhim, very Dhim.


37 posted on 10/23/2013 9:42:45 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi)
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To: Aevery_Freeman; PghBaldy
RE :”I agree with Rush.
Obama’s answer to the failure of the website will be to blame the private sector insurance companies - Waxman is already promoting that meme.
He will point out the needless complexity of multiple insurance companies with a plethora of products”

As long as the GOP ignores Rush and stops interfering with the news stories about how bad Obama-care is, then the Obamacare deterioration will create a souring on Obama-like big government solutions.

The shutdown is over. Those crisis news themes are over.
Now the current juiciest crisis news theme after the shutdown debt limit is what a disaster Obamacare is and how January 1 is coming soon.

It no longer :

When will the GOP pass clean a CR to open the government?” or

“Why does the GOP want to stop Americans from getting health care?”

Its now :

“Why is Obamacare so ... f....ed up?”

38 posted on 10/23/2013 9:44:31 AM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US Citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position)
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To: SeekAndFind

So it begins...”If we only had more money for Obamacare.”
(”Politicians say more taxes will solve everything
and the band played on... Ball of Confusion-Temptations 7 May 1970. Nothing’s changed.)
This morning Greenspan tried to explain that Social Security and Medicare are welfare programs since the tax money you’ve sent has already been spent. A majority of people do not understand that.
We’re so screwed.


39 posted on 10/23/2013 9:47:08 AM PDT by griswold3 (Post-Christian America is living on borrowed moral heritage)
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To: FlipWilson
Yet now they will ask for more money and when the Republicans say “no” the dems will blame the Republicans for the failure of Obamacare. And you know who will go along with this? John Sidney McCain will be on show after show validating this crap.

Exactly! Let's no forget John McCain, Graham, King and the rest of that RINO gang went public validating the democrats' false premise that the GOP House shur down the government.

I'm not voting for the re-election of my "republican" Senator in Nov. 2014. Better to have a democrat in the seat blaming the republicans than it is to have a republican sitting in that seat blaming republicans. At least we can call the democrat statements "political rhetoric" and be believed.

40 posted on 10/23/2013 9:51:26 AM PDT by tsowellfan (www.cafenetamerica.com)
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To: SeekAndFind

It’s the ObamaDoesntCare website...


41 posted on 10/23/2013 9:56:34 AM PDT by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: Aevery_Freeman; PghBaldy
RE :”He will point out the needless complexity of multiple insurance companies with a plethora of products.”

Thats great.
Let him tell us how crappy Obamacare is,
Its OBAMA-CARE. He called it that. He owns it.
Let him crap on his own OBAMA-CARE to try to convince voters that his ideas are good. I look forward to it.

Rush is wrong most of the time, when Dems win his business does the best.

42 posted on 10/23/2013 9:56:36 AM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US Citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position)
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To: SeekAndFind

Maybe the democrats can pitch in some of the kick back money they made on this sweetheart deal?.


43 posted on 10/23/2013 9:58:10 AM PDT by Vaduz
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To: SeekAndFind

Number two is right.


44 posted on 10/23/2013 10:08:25 AM PDT by Old Yeller (Obama: A dark spot in this country's history.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Every Democrat is number two, if you know what I mean.
45 posted on 10/23/2013 10:20:09 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: PghBaldy
Exactly.

Why go after taxpayers as a first resort to pick up the tab rather than CGI who screwed the pooch because they caved to pressure they were too cowardly and greedy to resist as they plowed forward to produce what they knew would result in a miscarriage?

The Dems should make the contract public and let us see what its terms were.

Were progress reports and documentation required at various phases? If so, let's see them and any misrepresentations they may contain.

Or was money thrown at them willy-nilly just because they asked for it with no documentation required at all?

Throw accountants and lawyers at it and let's see what the snake pit heaves up.

46 posted on 10/23/2013 10:25:18 AM PDT by Madame Dufarge
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To: SeekAndFind
The best part of this is that he admits he doesn’t know if the site actually needs more money or not.

If the only tool you have is a hammer, the entire world looks like a nail.

47 posted on 10/23/2013 10:58:00 AM PDT by Gamecock (Many Atheists take the stand: "There is no God AND I hate Him.")
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To: PghBaldy

And the Republicans are way behind the curve in talking about the dangers of single payer and doing anything to stop the Dems from manipulating us down that road.


48 posted on 10/23/2013 11:07:29 AM PDT by JediJones (The #1 Must-see Filibuster of the Year: TEXAS TED AND THE CONSERVATIVE CRUZ-ADE)
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To: SeekAndFind

My late father used to say, “Don’t throw good money after bad.”


49 posted on 10/23/2013 1:31:22 PM PDT by july4thfreedomfoundation (The Second Amendment makes all the other amendments possible)
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To: SeekAndFind
As Nancy Reagan said on the stopping drugs campaign:

Just say no to ObamaCare!!!

50 posted on 10/23/2013 1:59:05 PM PDT by topher (Traditional values -- especially family values -- which have been proven over time.)
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