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Pickup driverís fight with cyclists leads to crushed bike, jail
Yahoo ^ | Tue, Oct 22, 2013 12:54 PM EDT | Justin Hyde

Posted on 10/23/2013 5:20:00 PM PDT by JSDude1

In the past few years, many cities and local governments have embraced bicycling as a reasonable way to use public roads — carving out special lanes, setting up bike-sharing stations and generally making life easier for those who want to travel by two wheels rather than four.

But those moves haven't come without complaint about congestion and special treatment, and just as biking clubs have grown for weekend riders, so has anti-bike advocacy and concerns about who rules the road — such as the handmade warning signs above from a pro-vehicle group. In a shocking but not surprising turn, one Texas man now faces charges after being caught on video threatening a group of cyclists with a baseball bat — and ending the row by running over a $5,000 bicycle.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; Unclassified
KEYWORDS: bicycle; hobby; motorvehicle; roadrules
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I USED TO LIVE IN AN UPPITY LIBERAL TOWN that embraced this and a bunch of other yuppy/hipster crap!

No offense to anyone who is an avid cyclist, but I really dislike this hobby having been on the roads with some of the idiots who are not respectful on the roads!~

-JS

1 posted on 10/23/2013 5:20:00 PM PDT by JSDude1
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To: JSDude1

The roads are paid for by gas taxes.

If you don’t pay the tax, we tax payers, who own the roads, may permit you to use the roads when we tax payers are not on them, but you don’t get right of way.


2 posted on 10/23/2013 5:22:28 PM PDT by donmeaker (The lessons of Weimar will soon be repeated.)
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To: JSDude1

$5000.00 bicycle...WTF??? I can buy a car for that and get to work a lot easier...Go ride a pitchfork! I don’t want to sit next to the idiot’s cubicle who just peddle 20 miles in the middle of summer! Will my employer provide gas masks?


3 posted on 10/23/2013 5:26:09 PM PDT by Route395
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To: JSDude1

As a conservative bike commuter (go ahead...) just let me say that I HATE BIKE LANES!!!

Treat me like a car. Behave like a car. It’s much more predictable.

You’ve got a ton of steel. I have great respect for that.

I use maneuverability and slimness to get along in traffic.

So there. Problem solved.


4 posted on 10/23/2013 5:26:51 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie ("So the minimum plan for obamacare is 100 bucks a month I like you Obama but nigga I'm broke")
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To: JSDude1

It doesn’t matter how polite the cyclist is, there is always that one guy in a pickup truck who is offended. I traded my road bike for a commuter-type bike several years ago so I could move closer to the edge of the road without damaging my wheels. I stay well within the 18” bike lane and still get swerved at, yelled at, beeped at, and have had things thrown at me.

I had one guy stop and block the bike lane and shoulder and get out of his truck. Once he discovered that I’m an ARMED cyclist, he rethought that decision. I guess he thought that we’re all granola-munching liberals.


5 posted on 10/23/2013 5:27:38 PM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: Bryanw92

Well..can I ask you one question: Would you ride your bike on a two lane (busy) road during high traffic times (or would you pull over) for vehicle drivers so they can actually get to work, etc.. on time?

Btw: no offense if you wear this, but I think bike “uniforms” look ridiculous.


6 posted on 10/23/2013 5:30:35 PM PDT by JSDude1 (Is John Boehner the Neville Chamberlain of American Politics?)
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To: donmeaker

>>If you don’t pay the tax, we tax payers, who own the roads, may permit you to use the roads when we tax payers are not on them, but you don’t get right of way.

Do you really think that adult cyclists don’t drive cars? Or trucks? We pay gas taxes too. And since you’re allocating road space and rights by the amount of tax paid, does that give semis the right to hit SUVs, who have the right to hit sedans, who have the right to hit subcompacts, who have the right to hit motorcycles?


7 posted on 10/23/2013 5:30:44 PM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: JSDude1

>>Well..can I ask you one question: Would you ride your bike on a two lane (busy) road during high traffic times (or would you pull over) for vehicle drivers so they can actually get to work, etc.. on time?

If the road is that busy, I ride somewhere else. If it is a 30 mph subdivision, you can go around me but I will hug the edge of the road and try to let you pass. Remember, I have less than 1/2 horsepower, so when a cyclist stops, he has to restart using muscle power. You have 100-400 hp under the right foot, so try to be understanding.

>>Btw: no offense if you wear this, but I think bike “uniforms” look ridiculous.

I don’t anymore. I wear bike shorts under regular shorts and a plain bike jersey because the padding in the shorts and the construction of the jersey has a lot of practicality.


8 posted on 10/23/2013 5:34:38 PM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: Route395

Carbon fiber or titanium frames start in the $3k range...that’s just the frame, no seat, drive train, wheels, brakes, etc.

This is a tough one, but I’ll tell you that roadies haven’t been doing themselves any favors with “demanding” equal access while they impinge upon the drivers. Coupled with the in your face flaunting of traffic laws...well, it doesn’t take a genius to figure out where it leads to.

Me? I mountain bike and do my level best to only go perpendicular to pavement when I come to it, too many idiots out there looking to take me out just because I’m on 2 wheels, like yesterday.


9 posted on 10/23/2013 5:34:59 PM PDT by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political parties in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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To: Bryanw92

I guess he thought that we’re all granola-munching liberals.

Damn!...That’s what I thought.


10 posted on 10/23/2013 5:35:34 PM PDT by Route395
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To: Bryanw92

“.....I’m an ARMED cyclist.........” Good plan. ;>)


11 posted on 10/23/2013 5:35:52 PM PDT by Gator113 ( Cruz, Palin and Lee speak for me, most everyone else is just noise.)
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To: donmeaker
The roads are paid for by gas taxes. If you don’t pay the tax, we tax payers, who own the roads, may permit you to use the roads when we tax payers are not on them, but you don’t get right of way.

What a totally asinine thing to post. Surely you forgot the sarcasm tag.

12 posted on 10/23/2013 5:39:09 PM PDT by raybbr (I weep over my sons' future in this Godforsaken country.)
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To: JSDude1
Portland biker whackjob.
13 posted on 10/23/2013 5:39:43 PM PDT by Steely Tom (If the Constitution can be a living document, I guess a corporation can be a person.)
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To: Bryanw92

Trucks actually do more damage to the roads than cars, more than their increased taxes pay.

So it is a charity for trucks to be permitted to use the roads, just as it is a charity for cyclists.

Don’t like it? build your own roads, with a special bicyle tax, or double your truck tax.


14 posted on 10/23/2013 5:41:12 PM PDT by donmeaker (The lessons of Weimar will soon be repeated.)
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To: raybbr; donmeaker

Well, bicycles aren’t allowed on the interstate highway system.


15 posted on 10/23/2013 5:42:24 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (The "government" is nothing but a RAT jobs program)
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To: donmeaker

>>Don’t like it? build your own roads, with a special bicyle tax, or double your truck tax.

I already pay gas taxes, same as you. A bicycle does no damage to the road.


16 posted on 10/23/2013 5:46:03 PM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: donmeaker
Trucks actually do more damage to the roads than cars, more than their increased taxes pay.

Trucks add more value to the economy than cagers and mashers.

17 posted on 10/23/2013 5:46:08 PM PDT by Sirius Lee (All that is required for evil to advance is for government to do "something")
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To: raybbr

not asinine.

The roads were built by cars, for cars.

Treat bikers like jaywalkers. Do they get consideration? Just enough so I don’t actively target them. They need to get off the road, so they don’t block traffic with their hazardous activity. Pedestrians have their own little roads called ‘side walks’ to help them be safety separated from the cars.

Trucks can use the same roads as cars, but with restrictions, like only the right most lanes can be used by trucks, no left turns permitted.


18 posted on 10/23/2013 5:48:05 PM PDT by donmeaker (The lessons of Weimar will soon be repeated.)
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To: Bryanw92

When a bike blocks traffic, it damages the road’s utility.


19 posted on 10/23/2013 5:48:49 PM PDT by donmeaker (The lessons of Weimar will soon be repeated.)
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To: JSDude1

“I really dislike this hobby”
_______________________________________
Hobby? A bicycle is how I go to the market every day, and anywhere else in my town. I do not have, or need, a car.
I see very few cars, even on the main highway.
In fairness, I do sympathize with your attitude concerning
snotty-nosed California leftist.

When living in Slovakia, I enjoyed a four lane divided highway that allowed ONLY bicycles and roller blades. It went from the center of Bratislava, all the way to the Austrian boarder.
It was great weekend fun, as it also had numerous pubs along the route. Near the end of the route, there was a lake for nude bathers :)
Two lanes were on top of a Danube dam, and two at the base.


20 posted on 10/23/2013 5:49:04 PM PDT by AlexW
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To: Sirius Lee

Then from that added value they should contribute more for their own roads.


21 posted on 10/23/2013 5:50:02 PM PDT by donmeaker (The lessons of Weimar will soon be repeated.)
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To: donmeaker

>>When a bike blocks traffic, it damages the road’s utility.

So do slow drivers. What about farm implements? Do you try to hit them too?


22 posted on 10/23/2013 5:51:48 PM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: JSDude1

I don’t care if bicyclists contribute to highway taxes or not, and I sure don’t think people in cars have any excuse to cause them physical harm.

But until they start observing stop signs, yield signs and traffic lights like everybody else on the road, I’m sorry but I can’t take seriously their arguments that they deserve equal access.


23 posted on 10/23/2013 6:02:21 PM PDT by Stosh
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To: JSDude1

Most of those idiots are on four wheels


24 posted on 10/23/2013 6:02:51 PM PDT by bigbob (The best way to get a bad law repealed is to enforce it strictly. Abraham Lincoln)
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To: Bryanw92

So how do you feel about cars driving on the bike path or the sidewalk?


25 posted on 10/23/2013 6:10:55 PM PDT by donmeaker (The lessons of Weimar will soon be repeated.)
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To: donmeaker

>>So how do you feel about cars driving on the bike path or the sidewalk?

I see it every day. People use the bike path as a right turn lane because they are the Most Important Person In The World and can’t wait for the car in front of them to go. They also use the bike path as an extra 18” of roadway so they can apex their turn a little faster. Again, it must be awesome to be THAT important!


26 posted on 10/23/2013 6:14:45 PM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: Bryanw92

Farm implements have special rules to limit the amount of traffic they block.

And your assertion that I would intentionally target a cyclist is a nice strawman, but I stated that I don’t do that. You are marked by your strawman as a dishonest debater.


27 posted on 10/23/2013 6:15:08 PM PDT by donmeaker (The lessons of Weimar will soon be repeated.)
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To: donmeaker
Pedestrians have their own little roads called ‘side walks’ to help them be safety separated from the cars.

My street has no sidewalks. Should I not be allowed on the street?

Treat bikers like jaywalkers. Do they get consideration? Just enough so I don’t actively target them.

How gallant of you.

You are weird. Very weird.

BTW, do you have children? What would you say to them if they wanted to ride a bike to a park or friend's house?

28 posted on 10/23/2013 6:15:32 PM PDT by raybbr (I weep over my sons' future in this Godforsaken country.)
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And your assertion that I would intentionally target a cyclist is a nice strawman, but I stated that I don’t do that.

What you said was: " Do they get consideration? Just enough so I don’t actively target them." What stops you?

29 posted on 10/23/2013 6:18:04 PM PDT by raybbr (I weep over my sons' future in this Godforsaken country.)
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To: Bryanw92

I see you understand how I feel about bicyclists who think they are the most important people in the world, who don’t think the rules about stopping at stop signs apply to them, who think that they can move left across the road at 5 miles an hour when the traffic is moving at 30.

And they don’t even pay road taxes.

Just for kicks, remember that the gas taxes paid for those bike lanes too. In CA they even siphon money from the gas tax fund to pay for rail.


30 posted on 10/23/2013 6:18:18 PM PDT by donmeaker (The lessons of Weimar will soon be repeated.)
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To: donmeaker

>>You are marked by your strawman as a dishonest debater.

Oh my. Aren’t you suddenly the intellectual!


31 posted on 10/23/2013 6:18:36 PM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: raybbr

They take the bike lane, which in my community is separate from the road.


32 posted on 10/23/2013 6:19:06 PM PDT by donmeaker (The lessons of Weimar will soon be repeated.)
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To: Bryanw92

Snark from the dishonest. Well it is the only weapon left when facts and logic fail.


33 posted on 10/23/2013 6:19:47 PM PDT by donmeaker (The lessons of Weimar will soon be repeated.)
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To: raybbr

I don’t like hosing off the front of my car.


34 posted on 10/23/2013 6:20:31 PM PDT by donmeaker (The lessons of Weimar will soon be repeated.)
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To: donmeaker

We don’t have bike lanes either. Just roads.


35 posted on 10/23/2013 6:20:40 PM PDT by raybbr (I weep over my sons' future in this Godforsaken country.)
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To: JSDude1
I do not like any Bicycles on the road period, and they should be banned.
And no amount of polite discourse will change my mind.
36 posted on 10/23/2013 6:20:58 PM PDT by MaxMax (Pay Attention and you'll be pissed off too! FIRE BOEHNER, NOW!)
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To: donmeaker

Do you honestly believe that only gas taxes pay for the roads? No other taxes do?


37 posted on 10/23/2013 6:21:47 PM PDT by raybbr (I weep over my sons' future in this Godforsaken country.)
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To: raybbr

Guess you bikers should chip in, rather than mooch off others, or learn some road manners.


38 posted on 10/23/2013 6:21:56 PM PDT by donmeaker (The lessons of Weimar will soon be repeated.)
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To: raybbr

In california the gas taxes pay for the roads, and more. It is a constant battle to keep the Democrat politicans from stealing from the highway trust fund for bike lanes and other forms of graft.


39 posted on 10/23/2013 6:23:44 PM PDT by donmeaker (The lessons of Weimar will soon be repeated.)
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To: JSDude1

Note to bikers: Move your bike out of the way when the fat old guy gets back I his truck.


40 posted on 10/23/2013 6:24:49 PM PDT by Half Vast Conspiracy (Proportionally, Ft. Hood is to Ft. Worth as Washington Navy Yard is to Arlington, VA.)
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To: JSDude1

Kings of the Road in their beloved automobiles hate everyone else on the road, bicycles, motorcycles, other automobile drivers, that’s a given, well illustrated here.


41 posted on 10/23/2013 6:25:16 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: donmeaker

>>Snark from the dishonest. Well it is the only weapon left when facts and logic fail.

I don’t need a weapon to beat you. In my state, bicycles have FULL right to use the entire road. I don’t. I try to give cars all the road they need, but I’m not going to drive into a curb or into soft sand so you can save a few seconds. I do obey stop signs and stop lights. If you are such a big jerk that you can’t accept that, then I really don’t give a damn. Come to Florida and knock a bike off the road and you can face the full wrath of the law.


42 posted on 10/23/2013 6:25:55 PM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: Bryanw92
A bicycle does no damage to the road.

Bravo Sierra.

Depends entirely on the road surface. A bicyle's narrow tire does much more damage to a dirt or gravel road than a motor vehicle where the weight is more broadly distributed.

One reason why Wisconsin requires daily or annual permit fees for bicyclists using its rail trail system but allows hikers to use the network for free.

43 posted on 10/23/2013 6:26:26 PM PDT by lightman (O Lord, save Thy people and bless Thine inheritance, giving to Thy Church vict'ry o'er Her enemies.)
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To: JSDude1

The 98% of bicyclers who are arrogant assholes give the 2% who are not a bad rap.


44 posted on 10/23/2013 6:27:49 PM PDT by Eaker (Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life. Robert A. Heinlein.)
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To: Revolting cat!

>>Kings of the Road in their beloved automobiles hate everyone else on the road, bicycles, motorcycles, other automobile drivers, that’s a given, well illustrated here.

Bicycle threads on FR are always do a great job of revealing a lack of character.


45 posted on 10/23/2013 6:28:28 PM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: Bryanw92
still get swerved at, yelled at, beeped at, and have had things thrown at me.

Yep, it's always been that way. Some states are better than others. It's best to ride paranoid.

46 posted on 10/23/2013 6:29:57 PM PDT by glorgau
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a bunch of Lance Armstrong wannabees clog up the road and expect everyone else to read their minds.. color me surprised.


47 posted on 10/23/2013 6:30:46 PM PDT by newnhdad (Our new motto: USA, it was fun while it lasted.)
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To: lightman

>>Bravo Sierra.

>>Depends entirely on the road surface. A bicyle’s narrow tire does much more damage to a dirt or gravel road than a motor vehicle where the weight is more broadly distributed.

In my state, roads are paved. And any bike that rides on a dirt or gravel road is going to have a large contact patch. Those narrow road bike tires are NOT compatible with gravel or dirt, even hard-packed clay.


48 posted on 10/23/2013 6:31:16 PM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: Bryanw92

Wow, and here I thought I was among friends!

I guess it is true about when one gets behind the wheel.


49 posted on 10/23/2013 6:42:36 PM PDT by bicyclerepair (The zombies here elected alcee hastings)
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To: Bryanw92
Do you really think that adult cyclists don’t drive cars? Or trucks? We pay gas taxes too. And since you’re allocating road space and rights by the amount of tax paid, does that give semis the right to hit SUVs, who have the right to hit sedans, who have the right to hit subcompacts, who have the right to hit motorcycles?

You aren't paying gas taxes while riding your $5000 bicycles, wearing $200 worth of spandex, with your $100 toe clip shoes on. Meanwhile in the peoples republic of Portland, OR automobile lane miles have been converted to bike only lanes using...GAS TAX road funds.

There's a simple solution, GPS trackers on bicycles that track mileage and charge taxes accordingly. Either that or a $10 tax on every single bicycle tire. I mean, share the road, share the expense right?
50 posted on 10/23/2013 6:43:42 PM PDT by Tailback
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