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Implementing ObamaCare: Price tag higher than earlier estimates (CGI Alone 290 million)
Washington Post ^ | 24 Oct 13, 1159 am | Juliet Epstein

Posted on 10/24/2013 10:05:34 AM PDT by xzins

Edited on 10/24/2013 10:06:38 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

But under questioning Thursday, Campbell said her company, CGI’s, total contract was “about $290 million,” $112 million of which has already been paid.

Slavitt said QSSI received “just under $85 million” for the data hub, which covers much — but not all — of the firm’s work for CMS.


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KEYWORDS: fiasco; healthgov; obamacare; website
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1 posted on 10/24/2013 10:05:34 AM PDT by xzins
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Talked to a friend last night who retired very well off as a software guru. Said that his rule to his people was always: have you tested it. Yep. Have you tested it. yep.

Come to me when you're ready to launch.

Here it is, boss. "Have you tested it?" Yep.

Go test it one more time.

2 posted on 10/24/2013 10:07:37 AM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: xzins

Hmmmm...from WaCommiePost...this should help this debacle/#trainwreck sink.


3 posted on 10/24/2013 10:08:02 AM PDT by Jane Long (While Marxists continue the fundamental transformation of the USA, progressive RINOs assist!)
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To: xzins

Remember the Government Spending rule of 10: Every project or program will cost 10 times as much as originally projected.

Obamacare was advertised to cost $1Trillion. $10Trillion seems much more likely


4 posted on 10/24/2013 10:08:21 AM PDT by Mr. K (Lies, Damned Lies, Statistics, and then Democrat Talking Points.)
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To: Mr. K

They don’t have a clue what ObamaCare will cost. What’s the cost of knocking millions out of their health coverage?

What’s the cost of taking the most excellent health care in human history and ruining it?


5 posted on 10/24/2013 10:11:46 AM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: xzins

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/10/24/Hidden-In-ObamaCare-Applicants-Give-Up-Right-To-Privacy


6 posted on 10/24/2013 10:12:13 AM PDT by ExTexasRedhead
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To: xzins
not to worry The Regime has hired the Best and the Brightest to FIx these scrambled eggs.

No One at the HOUSE HEARING on Obamascare...could of course tell us who the Best and the Brightest Might BE...but thats a small point I guess.


7 posted on 10/24/2013 10:12:38 AM PDT by MeshugeMikey ( Un-Documented Journalist / Block Captain..Tyranny Response Team)
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To: xzins

PRICELESS.

I doubt that anyone on earth could make such a calculation.


8 posted on 10/24/2013 10:13:19 AM PDT by MeshugeMikey ( Un-Documented Journalist / Block Captain..Tyranny Response Team)
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To: xzins

What that sort of money I’m surprised that any of these contractors are still around. I’d be enjoying life on a yacht somewhere in the Caribbean with no way to reach me.


9 posted on 10/24/2013 10:14:35 AM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: MeshugeMikey

SO much cheaper to do this like Priceline or Ebay


10 posted on 10/24/2013 10:15:46 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: MeshugeMikey

Imagine a website that matches your needs and wants to a product - where companies compete for your business....

Something like priceline, travelocity, hotels.com and what-not.

Of course, they did nothing like that.


11 posted on 10/24/2013 10:17:18 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: GeronL
utter and complete failure is indeed incalculably expensive.

never worry Bronco Bama has hired the fixers....




12 posted on 10/24/2013 10:18:07 AM PDT by MeshugeMikey ( Un-Documented Journalist / Block Captain..Tyranny Response Team)
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To: GeronL

this was designed to be hideously disfunctional.....aka a train wreck.

as the No Reasonable Expectation to privacy stated in CODE...was exposed during the house hearings this morning...things are bound to get interesting if THAT is followed up on...


13 posted on 10/24/2013 10:20:04 AM PDT by MeshugeMikey ( Un-Documented Journalist / Block Captain..Tyranny Response Team)
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14 posted on 10/24/2013 10:21:20 AM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: MeshugeMikey

bump!

was this a no-bid contract?

unforgiveable

Then again, as you said it was supposed to fail


15 posted on 10/24/2013 10:21:56 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: GeronL

I can go on Travelocity or some other travel site, and I can find for any given date air, car rental, hotel, and even incidentals with a few short clicks and in about a minute. I’ll get all the airlines, all the flights, all the departures times from every connection, for every possible flight from where I’m at to where I want to go, and even doing legs of a journey to that destination.


16 posted on 10/24/2013 10:22:03 AM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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17 posted on 10/24/2013 10:25:00 AM PDT by Impala64ssa (You call me an islamophobe like it's a bad thing.)
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To: xzins

I’m working on a real estate software system I wrote over the last 5 years. Very sophisticated. Well over 50,000 lines of code if you include everything. It’s 99% complete.

But damn, that last 1% verification is a bitch. Keeps me from selling the system.

Magnify my problems times 100 and you have Obamacare.

Good luck buckos fixing that spaghetti code!


18 posted on 10/24/2013 10:26:23 AM PDT by DaxtonBrown (http://www.futurnamics.com/reid.php)
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To: xzins

Yep.

Someone at one of these companies should create a mock-up of what a real health insurance marketplace site would look like.


19 posted on 10/24/2013 10:26:44 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: GeronL

I’m betting Travelocity didn’t spend half a billion dollars on just its software.


20 posted on 10/24/2013 10:35:38 AM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: xzins

I’m not a developer by any means, but I do a lot of administrative scripting. Can’t tell you how many times I’ve had to re-work somebody else’s scripts that tested fine using a trivial test set and spun up and froze when confronted with actual production data.


21 posted on 10/24/2013 10:35:47 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: GeronL

some one of the reps ,,at the end of the House Hearing this morning asked why no on had Apologized......for this utter fiasco.

no one had a reasonable answer.

one of the “lets not politicize this” chumps had to chime in that no one who “shutdown”....the government had yet apologized for being so mean to obama....and obamacare..

the facts are on the table and America isnt THAT stupid....

The republicans didnt write the stinking thing and that wont be overlooked when the chit really hits the fan.


22 posted on 10/24/2013 10:36:51 AM PDT by MeshugeMikey ( Un-Documented Journalist / Block Captain..Tyranny Response Team)
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To: tacticalogic

Everybody test markets new products.

You’d think test marketing new software would involve trying to overload it with customers.

And you think you’d discover at that point that it wouldn’t take even ONE customer.


23 posted on 10/24/2013 10:38:37 AM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: xzins

right!

or say they needed 5 years of development and 2 years of testing.


24 posted on 10/24/2013 10:42:53 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: xzins

Bernard Madoff and Allen Stanford must be dying of envy.


25 posted on 10/24/2013 10:45:00 AM PDT by Gator113 ( Cruz, Palin and Lee speak for me, most everyone else is just noise.)
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To: xzins
Accounts I've read are that they did load test it and it failed to handle even a few hundred concurrent connections, but the went ahead with it anyway beacuse they didn't have a choice.

It's almost like the thought it would work in production because the computers wouldn't dare dissappoint The One.

26 posted on 10/24/2013 10:45:05 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: xzins

Lucianne

27 posted on 10/24/2013 11:00:13 AM PDT by opentalk
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28 posted on 10/24/2013 11:05:46 AM PDT by opentalk
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To: xzins

But this CGI, for a $22k campaign donation, got a $290 million no-bid contract.

Not a bad ROI.


29 posted on 10/24/2013 11:07:30 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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Not a bad ROI

I need some investment tips like that.

I've seen firms advertise on the web that they'll do advanced software from scratch for your business with applications for customers, inventory, you name it, and be talking in the neighborhood of 300 grand.

The scandal is that's the way government works. This company had someone stuff their pockets with about 289 million dollars profit at a cost of 290 million dollars.

That is fraud.

And it's the reason government costs so much. It's not a new idea. It's as old as county commissioners having Uncle Zeke's Blacktop Company pave roads at a double or triple the cost bid because of "quality". Everybody shares in splitting up the overpayment.

30 posted on 10/24/2013 12:08:31 PM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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This is like Solyndra, huge payouts for naught

was this even a contract that got bidded on?


31 posted on 10/24/2013 12:32:07 PM PDT by GeronL
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I’ve read that it was a no-bid contract, but the only reason the military could ever do a no-bid was if there was only a sole provider.

I’m betting there are hundreds of software firms in the country.


32 posted on 10/24/2013 2:24:01 PM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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I have seen Priceline and Travelocity, why couldn’t they just do something like that? Find the company/policy you want and then click through to secure servers to sign up?

Wouldn’t that have been so much simpler?


33 posted on 10/24/2013 2:32:02 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: GeronL

There is nothing more complicated in what they wanted to do than Priceline and Travelocity. They could have bought their software and adapted it. And I bet for a whole lot less money....about 280 million less.

And my personal info is secure on those sites.


34 posted on 10/24/2013 2:35:04 PM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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Yep.

Like has been said, this was supposed to fail. All that money went to slush funds probably.


35 posted on 10/24/2013 2:42:39 PM PDT by GeronL
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Like has been said, this was supposed to fail.

This is such an obvious huge failure that embarrasses the democrat brand that you've got to wonder if the Obama cronies aren't really this stupid. It's hard to believe they're that stupid, but it is a possibility.

If they intentionally wanted it to fail, then you've got to wonder why.

36 posted on 10/24/2013 2:49:32 PM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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So they can push for single payer, it’s not exactly a secret that they want it


37 posted on 10/24/2013 2:53:59 PM PDT by GeronL
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Single payer will never get past the House of Representatives. And it shouldn’t get past a Senate in which we have 46 Senators supposedly opposed to it.

The rats would have to win 60 seats in the Senate and take over the House in 2014 to turn this into single payer.


38 posted on 10/24/2013 2:56:18 PM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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Single payer will never get past the House of Representatives

Wait until the GOPe passes amnesty and conservatives stay home in 2014.

39 posted on 10/24/2013 3:05:37 PM PDT by GeronL
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"You’d think test marketing new software would involve trying to overload it with customers."

For about 10 years I was an Online gaming beta tester (Tested everything from Everquest to Warcraft.)

One of the main tests I was part of in every game was stress testing the servers including the login server.

There is noway this bunch of clowns actually did a valid stress test and gave this turd the go ahead to go live.

40 posted on 10/24/2013 3:05:49 PM PDT by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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Reports are that they did a stress test: It failed at a few hundred users and they turned it live anyways.


41 posted on 10/24/2013 3:14:08 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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"Reports are that they did a stress test: It failed at a few hundred users and they turned it live anyways."

In the real world the guy that made "THAT" particular decision would be fired.

But sense we are talking about the Gub'ment and Gub'ment contractors he will probably get a bonus.

42 posted on 10/24/2013 3:18:03 PM PDT by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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I think the only good test is a true “trial run” by a portion of the real end users, using real data. That’s how they test a movie. They screen it before a real audience of potential viewers. They should’ve paid 100 actual citizens to log in at the same time and try to complete the Barrycare process. Of course, load-testing with really high numbers is harder to do and has to be simulated. But, they also should’ve done the testing a year ago, not the last week before the roll-out. That part should’ve been obvious...


43 posted on 10/24/2013 3:24:45 PM PDT by JediJones (The #1 Must-see Filibuster of the Year: TEXAS TED AND THE CONSERVATIVE CRUZ-ADE)
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Why aren’t we pushing a constitutional amendment to ban single payer? We need amendments so that it’s not easy for the Dems to do this stuff if they happen to have one good election cycle. We could’ve had a pro-marriage amendment years ago to stop the judicial tyranny legalizing same-sex marriage everywhere, but we didn’t do that either.


44 posted on 10/24/2013 3:27:27 PM PDT by JediJones (The #1 Must-see Filibuster of the Year: TEXAS TED AND THE CONSERVATIVE CRUZ-ADE)
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To: JediJones

Why don’t we have a constitutional amendment requiring a budget?

We used to argue over a “balanced budget” amendment. The truth is that there is NO constitutional requirement to have any kind of budget.

That should be fixed.

The government should not be permitted to operate and spend money on whim. Approve a trillion and then go spend it however. That should be a crime.


45 posted on 10/24/2013 3:42:33 PM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: xzins

True, but Travelocity doesn’t allow you to input your tax return data so that the gubmint can calculate if you “deserve” a subsidy on your tickets.


46 posted on 10/24/2013 3:59:08 PM PDT by JediJones (The #1 Must-see Filibuster of the Year: TEXAS TED AND THE CONSERVATIVE CRUZ-ADE)
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To: JediJones

Not precisely so, but you can input credits, and that would be the basis of a similar kind of feedback loop.


47 posted on 10/24/2013 4:05:00 PM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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I do this kind of thing for a living.

That they tested this thing for a sum total of TWO WEEKS PRIOR TO LAUNCH is unfathomable.

An enterprise site like this should have been on code freeze in mid-spring, and they should’ve been running test cases on it and writing up bugs and fixes for it ever since.

The incompetence demonstrated here is truly mind-boggling.


48 posted on 10/24/2013 4:09:59 PM PDT by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: tacticalogic

I design online trading interactions for a living. Our business initiatives come to life via defined projects with budgets for each project. Approximately 30-40% of our total cost per project goes to QA. Our QA guys go bananas on our code for 2-3-4 months prior to launch, using tens of thousands of test cases and scripts; they write thousands of bugs, and right before release, for months, all we’re doing is bug fixes. If we get lucky, sometimes it’s only a month/six weeks.

They tested this ACA site for TWO WEEKS.

Holy Moses.


49 posted on 10/24/2013 4:17:43 PM PDT by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: Hemingway's Ghost

If your company were writing this software what would they charge for it for a normal customer (let’s assume they didn’t know it was the federal government)?


50 posted on 10/24/2013 4:30:36 PM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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