Skip to comments.Tom Ridge Pushes Back On Gay Issues In GOP With Plea For “Practical” Tolerance
Posted on 10/24/2013 12:53:44 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
WASHINGTON As the federal government continues to face fallout from the shutdown that came to an end last week, former Pennsylvania Gov. Tom Ridge, the first Homeland Security secretary, is pointing the Republican Party in a different direction on Wednesday night.
Speaking to the LGBT group, Log Cabin Republicans, at the groups Spirit of Lincoln Dinner, Ridge told BuzzFeed he is bringing a message not just of inclusion on the groups issues but that he plans to give a more broad address, urging the party to take a path that could be fairly characterized as the anti-Tea Party approach.
I truly believe Americans are more conservative than liberal, but I also think they may be conservative, but they are far more practical than ideological and I know, particularly among young people, they are far more tolerant than judgmental, Ridge told BuzzFeed hours before his planned address. And I think if were going to change the party, we should accept those simple notions and build a positive agenda rather than just saying no around them.
On gay issues, Ridge acknowledges, he has traversed quite a path to get to that place of tolerance, saying, Life, politics and government is a journey, and your positions on issues as you go along that journey may become more fully embedded or, because of circumstances or other changes, they can change. As you know, when I was governor, I signed the Defense of Marriage Act [in Pennsylvania]. Since that time, frankly, my point of view has evolved.
So far, in fact, that Ridge was one of the most prominent co-signers of the amicus brief organized by out gay former Republican National Committee chair Ken Mehlman urging the Supreme Court to find Californias Proposition 8 marriage ban unconstitutional.
That changed view led Log Cabin to seek Ridges presence at Wednesdays event.
When a couple of people from the Log Cabin group came in to speak to me about speaking at the event tonight, I said I would do so, and quite candidly, I said under one condition: You might be a gay and lesbian group, thats fine, but Im coming to talk to you about being Republicans, who happen to be gay and lesbian, he said.
I thought it was an opportunity for me, one, Im on the amicus brief, so everybody knows my position, but also to speak to a group of Republicans on a variety of issues and on a philosophy that I hope most of them embrace as I talk about what we need to start winning national elections and, frankly, be a more positive and compelling force for change in the 21st Century. You cant change government unless you win elections. Our roots are conservative, but we should be far less not even far less we oughtta quit being judgmental.
Asked how that looks, in practice, Ridge laughs, saying, I havent read the platform. Theres a lot of angst at the national conventions about the platform and no one reads it, and the last couple of years, I plead guilty [to not having read it].
Then, getting down to it, he admits, Some of it has to be in the actual policies of the party. Some of it has to do with the rhetoric and approach we take toward issues. Reagan was as pro-life as you can be, but it was certainly not the centerpiece of his for him, it wasnt why he became president of the United States. I think at the end of the day, you change the party by changing some peoples hearts and perhaps by changing their rhetoric if not their hearts.
To members of his party, he said, You may not agree with me on some of these social issues, but I want you to respect them and dont make them the centerpiece of your political agenda. They shouldnt be there, in my judgment.
Going broad, again, he said, There is a mission for government, and there is a mission for the church. And, from time to time, I do think we forget about separation of church and state in the desire of some people to promote strongly held views on some of these social issues, which may be consistent with what a church may propose but should not necessarily be at the epicenter of governing.
Asked about Gov. Chris Christies decision to withdraw his appeal of the challenge to the New Jersey marriage law, Ridge demurred mostly.
I am not going to comment on his rationale for doing it, Ridge said. For him, he said, I did not have an epiphany, it was a slowly evolving change of head and heart based on experiences with some friends, interaction with other people in my community, and so Im not going to render a judgment on why he did it.
My hope is this: There are Republicans out there who will be forever pro-life. Unfortunately, there will be some who still, for whatever reason, object to, dissent to, are uncomfortable with, the gay and lesbian community, but I think its about that time that they recognize that there are good, honest, God-fearing people in those two groups whose views should be respected and if not respected at least tolerated. And if were willing to be nonjudgmental about those views you can be an advocate in a private way for those points of view, but in my judgment, thats not to be at the epicenter of your political agenda and certainly shouldnt be at the heart such a critical issue for the GOP nationally. In my judgment, it doesnt belong, he said.
Sometimes we just come across as too damned self-righteous, and Im sorry, thats just not the 21st century political party GOP that I think we need to govern America.
Closer to home, Ridge commented on Gov. Tom Corbetts defense of the marriage law that Ridge signed and that the states Democratic attorney general, Kathleen Kane, has refused to defend because of her view similar to the view urged by Ridge at the Supreme Court that it is unconstitutional to ban same-sex couples from marriage.
Until the law is changed by the legislature or until the judge makes a decision, I respect Gov. Corbett, hes a friend of mine hes just doing his job, and I think we just leave it at that, Ridge said. I think, in Pennsylvania and probably in many other states in the months and years ahead, you will continue to see an honest, rational hopefully, rational public debate and discussion about this issue. And I think it is worthy of public discussion.
Summing up where he sees things going, both on for marriage equality and, he hopes, for the Republican Party, he said, Obviously my own evolution over the years led me to the conclusions that I have drawn. And in time, I think others will draw the same conclusion. But, beyond what individual states do, Im thinking in terms of individual voters and what the party does: And that is, were conservative, were not ideological. Were tolerant, were not judgmental.
Tom Ridges prepared remarks to the Log Cabin Republicans dinner:
THE HONORABLE TOM RIDGE LOG CABIN SPIRIT OF LINCOLN EVENT OCTOBER 23, 2103 / WASHINGTON, DC
Thank you, Gregory
Other acknowledgments: The Log Cabin Republicans The Liberty Forum Board of Directors The many elected officials and GOP dignitaries here tonight who joined me in co-signing the amicus brief urging the Supreme Court to overturn Proposition 8. (Recognize Ken Mehlman although he will not be in attendance.)
Im pleased to join you today and to be among those who supported the Amicus brief in the case of Perry v. Brown (Hollingsworth).
You should know that some eighteen years ago marriage equality was not a concept I supported when I became governor.
But over the years, I became better informed, more aware, and more understanding.
Not everyone I called a friend was straight, but it made no difference. They were my friends nonetheless. Friends without the same rights to marry as I had.
My support of marriage equality wasnt a decision made at one point in time. There was no epiphany; it evolved.
It simply came to make sense that all of us are equal in the eyes of the God we worship and the same should be true of the government to which we render unto Caesar.
The same is true for my various positions on any number of issues abortion, immigration, school choice, fiscal policy, foreign policy.
The seasoning of time and experience either have changed those views or made them more firmly entrenched.
Ive run for elected office eight times; so Im accustomed to having my views challenged occasionally by my own party and more often by the Democratic Party. For me, the discussion of issues started at the kitchen table.
You see, my mom was a Republican. Dad was a Democrat.
My dad was so much a Democrat that he once changed his party registration so he could vote for his son in the GOP primary and then at the first opportunity, he changed it right back. I said, Dad, stay awhile!
You can imagine our dinner conversations. But we were always respectful of each others beliefs. One of the valuable lessons was that neither party enjoyed the wisdom of Solomon nor had all the answers of an oracle.
The Republican Party is another family to me one in which some of my views differ with certain groups within our party.
Unfortunately, the tone and tenor toward me and others with my same point of view isnt always so respectful. And that troubles me, particularly because I never required 100% congruency with my views as a condition of support for Republican colleagues.
So I thought Id talk to you today about my thoughts on that about my perspectives of the Republican Party of the 21st Century a nonjudgmental conservative party a winning party - and what that means.
I predict that some of my observations about a victorious nonjudgmental party will be provocative, perhaps controversial. Frankly, that is why I am grateful you have provided me this opportunity to make them. They really ought not to be controversial at all. Sadly, thats how far it seems the party has strayed.
I certainly dont have all the answers. Im not sure if I have any but since when has that stopped anyone in Washington from making a speech!
Ill start here
Two Republican presidents changed my life in a very personal and meaningful way. One called on me to serve my country in Vietnam. The other asked me to serve my country after the attacks of 9/11.
Neither president asked me my position on social issues.
In both instances, the message was simply: Your country needs you please serve. I was privileged to serve in Congress under yet another Republican President, Ronald Reagan He once observed:
The trouble with our liberal friends is not that theyre ignorant; its just that they know so much that isnt so.
See, he was respectful. He was civil. He was positive. He challenged, he didnt condemn.
He knew he needed a few of his liberal friends to win elections. Frankly, I think we have some within the party that prefer to wage battles, but not win wars.
He not only rallied conservatives in the GOP he made appeals to the center, conservative Democrats and independents.
It was the strategy and vision of the big tent. He was inclusive, nonjudgmental, practical and conservative!
Today, that big tent is morphing into a lean to.
Instead of working to attract independents and working-class Democrats, a hard-core and shrinking base often alienates the very voters it needs to win elections.
In recent years Mitch McConnell, Marco Rubio, Lamar Alexander, Orin Hatch, John McCain, and Lindsey Graham among others were castigated by devout hardliners for not being conservative enough. Not conservative enough?
Reagan would I dare say be considered too moderate for our party today. He wasnt an in your face ideologue. He was practical, nonjudgmental and conservative. Reagan had been a Democrat; had been divorced; had been an actor; and had run one of the most liberal unions in the country the Screen Actors Guild. I dont think he could have been our nominee in 2012.
And dont even get me started about Abraham Lincolns chances.
Last year, then Senator Olympia Snowe resigned with a letter lamenting quote an atmosphere of polarization and my way or the highway ideologies in campaigns and governing institutions.
Shes right about the U.S. Senate and about the GOP.
For those who dont toe a strict party line or have an unbending ideological line or who dare to work with Democrats to get anything done theyre neither conservative enough, nor Republican enough for some within our midst.
For many observers, the GOP has become intolerant, judgmental and self-righteous perhaps worthy of attitudes of the Pilgrims in 1620, but hardly attractive qualities for a political party nearly 400 years later.
Sadly, there is very little room or respect for differences of opinion on social issues.
Remember when the Democratic Party wanted to deny my predecessor, Governor Bob Casey a chance to speak at the 1992 convention, because he was pro-life?
Some within the Democratic Party were seeking to widen its base demonstrate a willingness to accept and respect a different opinion.
Republicans immediately condemned his exclusion. But havent we done the same thing within our own party?
Our own narrow thinking on social issues is one of the principal reasons we have lost the last two national elections.
We will always be the prolife party! Yet as some of my prolife women friends have observed, thats their choice.
You know, the President, in the implementation of ObamaCare, (and I agree with the majority of Americans. It is a flawed law worthy of repeal) is blatantly infringing on the religious liberties of Catholic and other religious health care facilities. You know I am pro-choice, but in mandating that these institutions perform abortions or provide other services contrary to its values, the government is forcing its views on the practices of these religious institutions. It is a scary, slippery slope.
But I say, if we are to combat this real attack on American liberties, we cannot be the party that simply seeks to replace Democrat tyranny to impose forms of it to our liking.
If our expectation is the respect of our individual rights, we must respect the rights of others to live and let live.
If we want a government that acknowledges our God-given right to freely choose how we livein regard o marriage and others issues we must demand a government that respects the rights of others to choose and follow their conscience just the same.
And if the Republican Party does not champion free will and free thoughts as a component of freedom writ large, we will not only find the Republican Party permanently divided, but the country itself.
Many Americans are outraged by the moralistic attacks on the gay and lesbian community from some within our party. Perhaps they should be more concerned about their own relationship with God. As both Saint Matthew and Saint Luke taught us, Judge not, lest ye be judged. It is an important enough lesson to be mentioned multiple times.
The blanket condemnation of illegal immigrants and the failure to find a way to at least legitimize their status (not citizenship) of those who have been law abiding since their arrival is wrong and a grave political mistake.
And yes, there is another group of Americans to whom the GOP appears insensitive and uncaring. Last fall thirty-plus Republican senators walked by one of our great contemporary political leaders, Bob Dole, to vote against the United Nations Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities. It would have no effect on U.S. Law. But instead, those Senators wanting to look big in front of the hardcore dont like the UN crowd made their country look small themselves look small minded and once again, made their party look exclusionary.
Lets face it, whos left to offend perhaps just white males and we are beginning to lose support with that group as well.
This lack of civility and statesmanship has consequences that extend beyond lost elections. We risk losing a generation of public servants. Allegheny College, one of the nations great liberal arts schools, has done extensive polling on the subject. They found that young Americans are turning away from careers in elected office. That troubles me greatly. It should trouble all of us.
And if you supplement our offensive and exclusionary view on social issues with the debacle of the past few weeks, we should be concerned about our brand, our message and our future. The majority of Americans dont like Obama Care, but they like the flawed and failed tactics to default even less.
In order to govern, we must win national elections. To do so the narcissists and ideologues within our party need to understand that Americans are, more conservative than liberal, but are more practical than ideological and more tolerant and open minded than judgmental. They are also looking for real not rhetorical solutions.
They are not attracted to a party that imposes an even more severe litmus tests on its own members, projects an unacceptable rigidity and self-righteousness on social issues, and spends more time and energy objecting to bad law rather than proposing alternatives.
So before we worry about 2016 and potential messengers, shouldnt we be focused on our message. First, wouldnt it be better for us if we realized that notwithstanding differences on social issues, we are on the same side, that there is far, far more that unites than divides.
Wouldnt it be better if we understood that unity doesnt mean or require UNANIMITY? That disagreement does not mean disloyalty. And compromise doesnt mean capitulation.
We do not have to agree on every agenda item, every policy or every talking point to be a good Republican.
We do not have to agree on all things to uphold and promote the important things. The kind of things with which we do agree, such as:
A Republican party joined in the cause of a strong defense to sustain our belief that the U.S. is the best suited of all countries to provide global leadership in the 21st century.
Such as individualized empowerment and accountability.
Such as an economy driven by innovation and entrepreneurship and less encumbered with non- productive taxes and regulations.
Such as common ground and compromise are as critical today in advancing our national interest as it was when our founders drafted the most significant political compromises of self-government known to mankind the Constitution of the United States.
Let me be clear: I dont think the Republican Party is going by the wayside.
Oh, how some in the media and our Democratic friends would like that.
Daily it seems, they rub their hands with delight at that prospect and cheerfully fan the flames of dissent.
So if were looking for a group to offend let it be the DNC and their friends in the media.
Let it be the people who want us to continue to lose elections.
I am an optimist by nature and so I have every confidence that we will succeed as a party. For we know that good politics a civil, respectful dissent and a constructive debate of ideas can advance our party, not diminish it. It always has.
Abraham Lincoln once said Revolutions do not go backwards.
As for the revolution that has long been the Republican Party, it has always moved forward and I believe it will gain strength and succeed as long as the next generation of leaders accepts the responsibility to promote an constructive, conservative, nonjudgmental agenda.
Just as we stared with a puzzled look at our parents or grandparents, who seemed stuck in neutral when it came to civil rights in the 1960s the younger generations are looking at us with the same quizzical expressions.
63% of millennials hope to achieve full marriage equality. The times they are changing.
Theyve grown up with friends who are gay or lesbian; theyve seen America go through two wars and theyve watched the countrys economy plunge. They are impatient to say move over and let us show you how its done.
That is often the way of change.
As a young politician, Teddy Roosevelt saw a weariness with voters at the turn of the 19th century they were tired of politics of the extreme.
So he crafted himself as a bipartisan candidate willing to get things done. That infuriated Democrats and establishment Republicans.
Leave it to a guy with the initials TR to get peoples feathers ruffled!
But he won. And it led to a Progressive Bipartisan era.
The country swung back eventually political swings of polarization versus conciliation are constant.
But Id like to see our years of polarization end.
The work of our party is the work of all members of the GOP.
If we are to win, we will win because we worked together and won together and will lead together.
Right now, we seem more focused on the messenger rather than the message. But if we look back at the icons of the Republican Party, each one had a vision.
Teddy Roosevelt an environment and economy preserved for future generations.
Reagan cut taxes, tear down that wall.
What will be our message of the 2016 election?
Will we have a positive message next year for the midterms?
And will that message appeal to a broad array of voters? Or will it be a message that seeks to prey on our differences and fears, rather than our shared goals?
Those are the questions that require our full attention.
Social issues are important. But frankly, whether we consider someone Republican enough or conservative enough on social issues whether your hat is red, purple or blue is not a message to bring to the electorate.
The voter appeal of Reagans big tent was that, maybe just maybe, inside that tent politics might not take precedence over the business of governing. Of getting things done.
That appeal swept him into office and kept him there because he had a vision and while he was as deft a politician as weve ever had he was a leader first, a likable man second, a politician third, and a polarizing figure last.
He was the pro-life president who didnt run on the issue.
He had a mid-Westerners understanding of the American, and didnt run against those seeking a better life in this blessed land.
He ran on the vision of a shining city on a hill.
He tapped into the countrys hunger for better days and for most people that was a strong economy and a secure country.
It was quite simple, really.
Reagan knew, as Teddy Roosevelt knew, as Lincoln knew that beyond politics, a party must be about purpose.
What is our purpose, the Republican Party of today?
Are we a fractured party of purists and ideologues or are we going to become a united party of ideas?
Do we want to lose on divisiveness or win on good leadership?
If we want to win, then we need a bigger tent. And we need to fill it. We need to fill it, just as we have filled this room. With people of good will, of understanding, and of a desire to see each other succeed, not see how many we can help fail.
If we want to win, we need to be a party worthy of the 21st century. A nonjudgmental party where all who support us are welcome. A party where diversity of view, race, ethnicity, gender and religion are relished and promoted and nourished.
If we want to win, we need to remember that we are the Party of Lincoln Lincoln, who believed in the principle of thoughtful, respectful debate, but also believe in the dignity and hopes of every person.
I dont know about you but I want to win.
I want my party to have the best chance of success every time a voter walks into a voting booth.
I want my country to have the best chance of success always but most especially when a Republican is in the White House.
I dont want to cede power to another party or for that matter, to another part of the world.
None of us do. So we have our work cut out for us.
So to all the members of my party I say - let us work together in a civil and respectful way, with passion and conviction.
Lets go forward with a mission and message for the next election.
And lets find our way back as a party of ideas a party of inclusion.
Theres room enough for everyone.
Everyone’s evolving nowadays it seems. How trendy. The chickens clearly come after the eggs.
The anus does not equal the vulva — period.
Ridge showed his Democrat stripes long ago.
I made mention of this guy not securing the Mexican border years ago and was chastised.
And now I say -— told ya so.
So there. Whomever you were.
I wasn’t aware that the Tea Party had a position on homosexual marriage.
Can’t be tolerant as long as gays target religious freedom critics.
Pandering at its worth. Political suicide, in my view, but maybe Ridge isn’t interested in holding political office. Maybe he’s looking for another cabinet appointment, or an amb ass adorship.
Roger that. It's not nice to fool Mother Nature .... the consequences are a bitch. [warning: clicking on the link is beyond disgusting]
“The anti-Tea Party approach”.
I have never - and I mean, NEVER - heard one word about homosexuals, what they want, what they do, and whether or not it is any of my business - at a Tea Party event.
TEA = Taxed Enough Already. That’s all it is.
Poor Ridge has no clue. “You know something is happening here but you don’t know what it is, do you, Mr. Ridge?”
...You may not agree with me on some of these social issues, but I want you to respect them and dont make them the centerpiece of your political agenda. They shouldnt be there, in my judgment.
The fact that I ignore them and let them do whatever they want in privacy seems pretty practical.
He always looked just like Herbert Hoover, now he sounds like him too.
Isn't that a Republican euphemism for fold-like-cheap-lawn-chairs to any and all demands, especially Democrat ones?
If this fool thinks America can be successful by concentrating on fiscal issues alone, while we self-destruct morally, he has an unpleasant surprise coming.
If they want,GOPers can join up with perverts and celebrate their tolerance for doing so, but they’ll do it without me.
ridge has always been a democrat under his costume.
In addition, “Doctor” Gosnell did much of his damage on RinoRidge’s watch as PA Gov.
This has absolutely nothing to do with tolerance. That Ridge thinks that it does proves that he has swallowed an entire vat of Leftist poison.
I don t know about you, but I am impatient with those Republicans who after the last election rushed into print saying, We must broaden the base of our partywhen what they meant was to fuzz up and blur even more the differences between ourselves and our opponents.
It was a feeling that there was not a sufficient difference now between the parties that kept a majority of the voters away from the polls. When have we ever advocated a closed-door policy? Who has ever been barred from participating?
Our people look for a cause to believe in. Is it a third party we need, or is it a new and revitalized second party, raising a banner of no pale pastels, but bold colors which make it unmistakably clear where we stand on all of the issues troubling the people?
.- CPAC 1975
Typical pos progressive.
Tom Ridge is the Republican governor who made it possible for abortionist Kermit Gosnell to get away with murdering full-term babies for so many years—all in the name of “tolerance.” He is beyond despicable.
I thought the same thing.
I had this conversation with my high school senior son who was speaking poorly of the Tea Party. I said do you even know that TEA stands for? When I told him the main gist of the TEA Party was lower taxes, smaller government, and balanced budgets, he said “Oh...I didn’t know that!”. I told him not to judge things he knows nothing about.
I suggest a new moniker for him:
Tom “Glass Jaw” Ridge
Creative way to trash the TEA Party and it will be effective. I look for more Reps and Dems to tie not only the gay marriage issue to the TEA Party, but the abortion issue to the TEA Party.
Maybe Ridge should bend over and let one of the Homos drive him home, then speak about tolerance.
If tolerance is your greatest virtue Tom, then you have no others.
Oh yeah...the GOP “Big Tent” that is open to all EXCEPT the Tea Party folks. You know, real conservatives.
Tom Ridge looks like a poofer anyway.
The Dems have infiltrated the party, and they're in our faces about it, openly admitting it.
Code red alert! Code red alert! This guy Ridge is a liberal buffoon, and always has been. Bob
Aren’t people who approach politics as pro-homo doing exactly what Ridge is ranting about with social issues?
For the GOP to endorse gay issues is to promote killing more young men. - Check out these stats, then back away as far as you can - http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/risk/gender/msm/facts/index.html
Right. Kermit the Trog flourished under Ridge! Bob
Practicval tolerance is everyone shutting up about their sexual acts. We don’t want to hear about it. Move forward with the business of running the Country.
He also gave us the execrable DHS and TSA and apparently believes that terrorism can be stopped if we just prevent Granny from taking along that 4 oz tube of Polident.
Businesses are being shut down, people are being fired for not celebrating homosexuality.
How about some tolerance FROM them, Tom??
If ever we needed a federal marriage amendment, it is NOW. But there has never been more silence on this need in the last decade like there is now. Deeply discouraging.
I don't see it that way. If would could have done it a decade ago, we WOULD have. But the sole libertarian argument against it at that time was that "we don't need such a radical solution until the situation calls for an exigent enactment." Now that we need it, and the situation IS exigent now, those same naysayers seem to be nowhere around.
Now? We don't have the states to ratify such an Amendment even if by some miracle we could get it through Congress.
I think you'd be surprised at the support for such an amendment, especially with the numerous stories being reported of the vicious bullying by homosexuals of private businesses and individuals over religious and personal objection to this contrivance. A recently conducted poll showed that somewhere over 85% of Americans thought that private business SHOULD NOT be forced to violate their religious beliefs regarding real marriage. If this issue were properly tied to the marriage redefinition push, you can bet that we'd see at least a 15% return to support for real marriage.
That's dead and done. Not going to happen. We need to focus on carving out all the protections and exemptions we can.
Protections and exemptions are just as likely to be passed as an Amendment. If you haven't noticed, almost NONE of the recent pushes for redefining marriage in states offer ANY protections for businesses or religious objectors as they did only a couple of years ago. New York was the last one (adding these "protections" was critical to the bill's passage,) and those "protections" were tenuous at best, as they were constructed to be severable at the whim of a court.
Besides, the lawlessness that is rampant now will not respect any puny "religious exemptions" anymore than they respect state constitutions and DOMA's, which they are running rough-shod over.
Lets start that conversation by acknowledging we arent going to deport 12 million illegal immigrants... bringing these workers out of the shadows and into being taxpaying members of society. Imagine 12 million people who are already here coming out of the shadows to become new taxpayers.12 million more people assimilating into society. 12 million more people being productive contributors. [but hes not in favor of amnesty, snicker, definition of is is]
...by softening its edge on some volatile social issues and altering its image as the party always seemingly "eager to go to war... We do need to expand the party and grow the party and that does mean that we don't always all agree on every issue" ... the party needs to become more welcoming to individuals who disagree with basic Republican doctrine on emotional social issues such as gay marriage... "We're going to have to be a little hands off on some of these issues ... and get people into the party," Paul said.
No, protections and exemptions have a much lower bar. They’re easier for us to secure than an Amendment to the Constitution, which by its nature is extremely difficult to pass.
If you think it’s even remotely possible, then cards on the table. Even if every state which currently prohibits gay marriage voted to ratify such an Amendment - I doubt Minnesota would, given their vote last year, but just suppose - we would need two states that currently allow it to flip. And in a couple weeks, with Hawaii, we might need three.
Cards on the table - which of the gay marriage states could realistically be our two or three? And what hard data, polling numbers etc, do you base that on?
I don’t see it. All evidence suggests that our opportunity was lost years ago. Better, again, that we salvage what wins we can.