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Bill Daley: Firing Sebelius Like Firing Captain Of The Titanic
realclearpolitics.com ^ | October 24, 2013

Posted on 10/24/2013 10:09:34 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe

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To: Tailgunner Joe
Daley's analogy is bad. We have here in Sebelius a captain who has hit an iceberg at high speed and has failed to recognize that the ship is damaged or to alter her course or speed through the berg field. In such a circumstance it is entirely appropriate - in fact, essential - to remove the captain from the bridge.
51 posted on 10/25/2013 5:53:54 AM PDT by Paine in the Neck (Is John's moustache long enough YET?)
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To: peyton randolph; sickoflibs
YOU MUST KNOW HOW MUCH GOOD SENSE YOU MADE HERE: "The Chicago machine is distancing itself from Obamacare so that Rahm can run for president in 2016.

B/C Rham's bro, Dr Ezekiel Emanuel, is supposedly the (gag) brains behind O/Care.

52 posted on 10/25/2013 6:52:40 AM PDT by Liz
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To: Tailgunner Joe
The ship is going down all right. IMHO, that is the plan. But this is the private insurance ship going down with the gaping hole in it's side - and it's right on schedule.

Things will be so screwed up by Christmas that millions will cry out for relief. Rather than eliminate 0bamacare, the plan will emerge for a full scale push to put all the unfortunates into an already existing government plan that will take care of them. That will be either Medicare or Medicaid. People will then be charged a "fee" on a sliding scale according to their income. The system is in place and the IRS is in business with lots of new helpers.

So, the setup and structure already exists for the 'fix'. That is why the website was never intended to work and in fact was deliberately sabotaged by HHS.

As the current disaster can't be fixed with any amount of tinkering, the hue and cry will arise there is already a solution in the wings and it's in place. Of course, it is the big government one.

Don't expect the hapless GOP to be able to stand against the immense pressure of millions of frantic Americans demanding the government do something as they lose their insurance or their current rates skyrocket to unsupportable levels! The din and pressure will be unbearable for the already beaten weakfish in the GOP to resist.

There is a Savior on a white horse, and he is already riding this way with a solution. He just hasn't galloped over the hill yet...

53 posted on 10/25/2013 7:03:42 AM PDT by Gritty (Progressives see themselves as saints, opponents as Satanists; that justifies anything-D. Horowitz)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Seeing her fade away in frigid waters from hypothermia makes for a nice thought.


54 posted on 10/25/2013 8:56:10 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Obama is so far in over his head, even his ears are beneath the water level.)
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To: ScottinVA
Seeing her fade away in frigid waters from hypothermia makes for a nice thought.

Yep, just like when DiCaprio finally bought it in the movie.

55 posted on 10/25/2013 8:58:09 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Can her ass.


56 posted on 10/25/2013 9:14:57 AM PDT by b4its2late (A Liberal is a person who will give away everything he doesn't own.)
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Comment #57 Removed by Moderator

Ezekiel Jonathan “Zeke” Emanuel (born 1957) is an American bioethicist and fellow at the nonprofit bioethics research institute The Hastings Center and is a proponent of a voucher-based universal health care.

Currently, Emanuel is acting as Special Advisor for Health Policy to Peter Orszag, the Director of the Office of Management and Budget. The Office of Management and Budget’s role is to assist the White House in the preparation and administration of the federal budget.

In articles and in his book Healthcare, Guaranteed, Emanuel said that universal health care could be guaranteed by replacing employer paid health care insurance, Medicaid and Medicare with health care vouchers funded by a value-added tax. His plan would allow patients to keep the same doctor even if they change jobs or insurance plans. He would reduce co-payments for preventive care and tax or ban junk food from schools.

In an article co-written by Ezekiel Emanuel and Victor Fuchs, Emanuel co-wrote that employer-based health insurance has “inefficiencies and inequities”, that Medicaid is “second-class” and that insuring more people without replacing those systems would be to build on a “broken system”. He said, “in the short run they require ever more money to cover the uninsured, and in the long run the unabated rise in health costs will quickly revive the problem of the uninsured.” He suggested that a federal agency be created to test the effectiveness of new health care technology.

In a Washington Post article Emanuel co-wrote with Shannon Brownlee, Emanuel described our health care system as “truly dysfunctional, often chaotic”, “spectacularly wasteful” and “expensive”.

The US health care system is considered a dysfunctional mess. Conventional wisdom has been turned on its head. If a politician declares that the United States has the best health care system in the world today, he or she looks clueless rather than patriotic or authoritative.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ezekiel_Emanuel


58 posted on 10/25/2013 9:24:25 AM PDT by kcvl
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To: Liz

Ezekiel Emanuel, a noted oncologist, has helped advise the Obama administration in its effort to create an economic system larger than France’s economy to distribute health care services to over 300 million people. Together, those facts encapsulate the essence of our federal government: hopelessly overextended, devoid of caution and chock full of hubris. If that isn’t succinct enough to signal the coming disaster that will be Obamacare, then Emanuel’s recent column in the Wall Street Journal should tip the balance.

Coincidentally, the column was about me, or, more appropriately, about a class of the peasantry to which Doctor Emanuel has assigned me. That group, which he calls Young Invincibles, consists of American men under the age of 35 who haven’t purchased health insurance and, worse, don’t think they should.

In a refreshingly honest appraisal, Emanuel admits that Obamacare will virtually self-destruct if my demographic doesn’t come to its senses. The program depends on the full participation of the American citizenry. Every testosterone-soaked Young Invincible who doesn’t sign up for Obamacare will cause prices to increase. The increased prices will drive other citizens away. In the end, Obamacare will serve only the very poor (who pay subsidized rates), the very sick (who are expensive to care for) and the very old.

http://dailycaller.com/2013/05/08/how-to-kill-obamacare-without-even-trying/#ixzz2ikfhw29z


59 posted on 10/25/2013 9:26:08 AM PDT by kcvl
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To: Liz

Bad management plagues Obamacare: Ex-Obama advisor

Published: Friday, 25 Oct 2013

The technology problems with the federal Obamacare website were a function of poor management and implementation, said Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel, former special advisor on health policy to President Barack Obama.

“The people who were in charge did not…assemble a good team and assemble the team that has competency in the exact area you need,” Emanuel told CNBC’s “Squawk Box” on Friday. The bioethicist was part of the president’s health care reform team for two years until January 2011 and is the brother of former Obama Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel.

The goal has to be an “Amazon-like shopping experience,” he stressed, as the process moves forward to fix the glitches with Healthcare.gov—the federally operated health insurance online store, serving the 36 states that are not operating their own.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/101143507


60 posted on 10/25/2013 9:28:25 AM PDT by kcvl
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To: kcvl

"Soon as I polish my penny loafers, I'm
going shopping at Bed, Bath and Beyond."

61 posted on 10/25/2013 9:41:44 AM PDT by Liz
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To: Liz

roflol!


62 posted on 10/25/2013 9:49:38 AM PDT by kcvl
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Yes, let’s stay stuck on stupid.

If they are shutting down the program... Yes, don’t fire her.

If they are going to spend massive amounts of new money on the program... Then replace her immediately.


63 posted on 10/25/2013 9:50:17 AM PDT by Pikachu_Dad (Impeach Sen Quinn)
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To: kcvl; All
"The goal has to be an
“Amazon-like shopping experience,” he stressed,
as the process moves forward
to fix the glitches with Healthcare.gov "


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64 posted on 10/25/2013 10:03:40 AM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: untwist

The point about Obamacide has been made. For the rest, let me quote Senator Cruz:

“I consider that theory the ‘Bad Samaritan’ theory. Basically, inflict a bunch of harm on the American people and hope we benefit politically from it. What a terrible, cynical approach. I am not interested in seeing the American people suffer just because my party might benefit politically if they blame the Democrats for the foolish policies that have been imposed.” – Senator Ted Cruz


65 posted on 10/25/2013 10:12:46 AM PDT by Colonel_Flagg (Some people meet their heroes. I raised mine. Go Army.)
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To: WayneS

I liken Obamacare to the tragic flight of Soyuz 1. The soviets knowingly launched a spacecraft so full of problems it would have been a miracle if it had succeeded. Anyway, Soyuz 1 was launched and immediately problems arose. The longer it was up the more problems came up. The order to land was given and the last major failure reared its ugly head and Vladimir Komarov crashed and burned at 400 mph.

That’s how this entire fiasco is going to end up. We are all going to be like Komarov. We are all going to crash and burn. The ending will not be pretty.


66 posted on 10/25/2013 10:42:48 AM PDT by NCC-1701 (LIV's are products of an incomplete education.)
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To: Colonel_Flagg

“The best way to get a bad law repealed is to enforce it strictly.”

Abraham Lincoln


67 posted on 10/25/2013 11:49:05 AM PDT by untwist (One Bad-Assed Mistake, America!)
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To: RightGeek

shouldn’t that be the SS Obama as it’s a civilian ship?


68 posted on 10/25/2013 1:13:25 PM PDT by ealgeone (obama, border)
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To: ealgeone

shouldn’t that be the SS Obama as it’s a civilian ship?


Yes, just paint the SS on as stylized lighting bolts as graphics to get the right ambiance


69 posted on 10/25/2013 1:31:24 PM PDT by rdcbn
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To: Cowboy Bob

“Did the captain of the Titanic live to tell about it?”

Well, no, but at least he didn’t get fired. ;-)


70 posted on 10/25/2013 1:40:06 PM PDT by HKMk23 (ditditdit dahdahdah ditditdit)
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To: 353FMG

criminal negligence going back to when S’Bilious showed us how to blow our noses on our shirt sleeves——to keep flu from spreading. I knew fershure the chick was pure hillbilly then. Then I heard her talk, which she can’t do without catch phrases, pretty much like that other world class dumbass Caroline Kennedy. At least we’re getting them all in one place now.


71 posted on 10/25/2013 1:41:34 PM PDT by cherokee1 (skip the names---just kick the buttz)
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To: kaehurowing

Actually, Obama is Captain Smith, and he’s bringing the Titanic back around for another try at the iceberg.


Now, why did the name Jamie Brockett pop into my mind?

Titanic. Drugs. Iceberg. Sink. “I’m gonna MOOOOOOVE this baby!!!!”


72 posted on 10/25/2013 2:46:22 PM PDT by Peet (Oderint dum metuant)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

I say let her stay. She’s doing a bang up job.


73 posted on 10/25/2013 4:45:57 PM PDT by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal the 16th Amendment)
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To: Cowboy Bob
Did the captain of the Titanic live to tell about it?

Precisely! If the good Captain had not gone down with his ship he would have been fired and quite possibly charged criminally. In any case White Star Lines would never would have given him another ship. Perhaps she is on a sinking ship but it wont take he life... Really stupid analogy IMHO!

74 posted on 10/25/2013 6:01:19 PM PDT by thegrump (It is who we are. It is what we do. Live for nothing or die for something !)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Actually the United States right now is the Titanic after it hits the iceberg with Obamacare acting as a nuclear bomb dropped on top in the guise of trying to save it.


75 posted on 10/25/2013 6:15:31 PM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (What do we want? Time travel. When do we want it? It's irrelevant.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Bill Daily, Major Healy knows this, think the only thing that can fix this is Jeanie herself.
76 posted on 10/25/2013 6:41:13 PM PDT by BeadCounter
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To: MacMattico

She is MORE like the Captain of the boat that ran aground in Italy! Remember the one who ‘fell’ into the lifeboat?


77 posted on 10/25/2013 7:00:34 PM PDT by originalbuckeye (Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the enemy)
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To: BigEdLB

I think we should hold her underwater so the Titanic analogy can be complete.


78 posted on 10/25/2013 11:28:59 PM PDT by ponygirl (Be Breitbart.)
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To: RetroSexual
"The history books say he shot himself as the ship went down. But today he would end up with a tenured position at a major university in California."

...or placed in command of the Navy.
79 posted on 10/26/2013 12:16:09 AM PDT by clearcarbon
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Obongo is the one that needs to be fired.


80 posted on 10/26/2013 12:18:18 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

and keeping her on would be like taking the captain of the Titanic and giving him another ship that he could run into another iceberg


81 posted on 10/26/2013 11:21:33 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Obama firing Sebilius would be like Hitler firing Himmler.


82 posted on 10/26/2013 11:22:39 AM PDT by Hoodat (BENGHAZI - 4 KILLED, 2 MIA)
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To: originalbuckeye

actually she is more like the captain of the Exxon Valdez


83 posted on 10/26/2013 11:24:17 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: GraceG

This sibelius subhuman is more like the captain of the Sh**-Sandwich Express.


84 posted on 10/26/2013 11:26:45 AM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Agree totally, and like Capt. Smith she should go down with the ship of obamaumaocare— into the abyss. Class A incompetence of a level not exposed properly before this. Hitlery right up there with her. Sebelius’ unwed name was Gilligan— Gilligan’s healthcare-how apropos. The ruling class of elitist incompetents, arrogant and stupid like an idiot breed of apparatchiks for the king odingo.

Leave her in place— she got it this far— she will screw it up further and will also run her mouth while she does. Fodder, and campaign video stock quotes.


85 posted on 10/26/2013 11:28:47 AM PDT by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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86 posted on 10/26/2013 4:58:04 PM PDT by RedMDer (http://www.dontfundobamacare.com/)
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To: untwist

I saw ij another place that the gal in charge of the Obamacare thing, the executive for the American branch of the Canadian company, is a school chum of Michelle la Belle. But of course, no one will talk about this example of croneyism.


87 posted on 10/26/2013 7:04:40 PM PDT by RobbyS (quotes)
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To: xzins

Did Lincoln do this? I think he just made Grant Lt-General of the America, a rank higher than Halleck, and equal to that of George Washington in 1799.


88 posted on 10/26/2013 7:08:08 PM PDT by RobbyS (quotes)
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To: RobbyS

I posted the Daily Caller story about that on FB today. Had several liberals squealing about it. Bush did it, Halliburton, Halliburton, Daily Caller is a right-wing web-site, waah, waah....

That story about the No-Bid contract and the boss being Michelle’s college bud is very effective. It puts their holier than thou, hopey changey excrement into the latrine where it belongs. The Left knows their old saw about the republicans and the ‘system’ being corrupt while they are the good people is nonsense. I challenged my ‘friends’ hard and did not allow their cronyism to get muddled in with past issues that are not related to Obamacare.

Liberals never hold up well to scrutiny because they believe their cause to be pure and above question. Pressure, the kind that Cruz, Lee, Paul, Gohmert Steve King (not Peter) apply, is like water to the wicked witch. We need to keep the pressure on. This will collapse.


89 posted on 10/26/2013 8:15:36 PM PDT by untwist (One Bad-Assed Mistake, America!)
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To: untwist

If of them can defend their views rationally. The believe this or that believe that because “all good people think this or that.” ‘Good “ means them and their friends.


90 posted on 10/26/2013 8:34:36 PM PDT by RobbyS (quotes)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Every time I see Sebelius, I think she is a “Fright to Remember”.


91 posted on 10/26/2013 8:40:49 PM PDT by exit82 ("The Taliban is on the inside of the building" E. Nordstrom 10-10-12)
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To: RobbyS

Good also means their ‘cause’. They have a twisted notion of good, as it must come from government mandate. They know that their ‘good’ does not hold up against freedom because their views defy and deny freedom.


92 posted on 10/26/2013 8:46:22 PM PDT by untwist (One Bad-Assed Mistake, America!)
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To: NonValueAdded

Sibelius was confirmed by the Senate. It is settled that she is (and will continue to be) Secretary of HHS.


93 posted on 10/26/2013 9:39:59 PM PDT by gasport (I ain't got no guns.)
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To: gasport
Sibelius was confirmed by the Senate. It is settled that she is (and will continue to be) Secretary of HHS.

Unless, of course, she is deemed to be incompetent.

94 posted on 10/26/2013 9:42:18 PM PDT by gasport (I ain't got no guns.)
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To: Salvation

Are you sure she has been ex-communicated??? If so, good for that Bishop.


95 posted on 10/27/2013 1:50:29 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion......the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: stanne

BINGO!!! Now THAT would be Punishment enough!!!!!!


96 posted on 10/27/2013 1:53:42 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion......the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
It’s not going to do much right now.

If she ends up like Captain Smith, It's all good.

Plus, it would help America feel better.

97 posted on 10/27/2013 2:34:54 AM PDT by hattend (Firearms and ammunition...the only growing industries under the Obama regime.)
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To: RobbyS

He took Halleck’s position away from him and gave it to Grant.


98 posted on 10/27/2013 2:58:24 AM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: Nachum

Of course firing her will help. It will remove someone who made such horrible decisions affecting significant portions of the economy from making more horrible decisions.


99 posted on 10/27/2013 7:43:34 AM PDT by Personal Responsibility (Government: Slimy used car salesmen writing laws forcing you to buy their cars)
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To: RightGeek

It’s just a glitch!


100 posted on 10/27/2013 7:44:22 AM PDT by Personal Responsibility (Government: Slimy used car salesmen writing laws forcing you to buy their cars)
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