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More legal trouble for Affordable Care Act
Los Angeles Times ^ | October 25, 2013 | By David G. Savage

Posted on 10/25/2013 6:42:44 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer

If computer glitches are not enough of a problem, President Obama's healthcare law also has a legal glitch that critics say could cause it to unravel in more than half the nation.

Critics of Obama's healthcare plan are suing over a part of the law that offers tax credits through state exchanges. If they win, the program falls apart in 36 states.

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


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KEYWORDS: failure; obamacare; rinocare; socialism
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1 posted on 10/25/2013 6:42:44 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Holy carp! The LA Times actually got it right. 36 IS more than half the nation's number of states.

Even if you think there are 57 states as does President Spicoli.

2 posted on 10/25/2013 6:45:12 AM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

The general problem is that a guy could be in a state where they got the tax credits and the guy benefits. Then the guy moves to another state, finding himself in a state that didn’t get the credits.

Fairness creeps into the conversation and it’s to say this is acceptable....even for a short period of time. Do they intend to keep this practice in place for the next fifty years?

I just don’t see how it passes the logic test. Even the liberal side of the Supreme Court will ask some stupid questions and be more inclined to note this as a tax credit issue and not a health care issue. Taxes at the federal level....have to be level and fair...you can’t invent some gauged system to reward some taxpayers and not others.


3 posted on 10/25/2013 6:48:39 AM PDT by pepsionice
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To: Texas Eagle

It more than half the states, but is it more than half the population? Probably 75% of the population seeing that the Deep Blue states are the biggest population-wise.......That would KILL Obamacare........


4 posted on 10/25/2013 6:50:49 AM PDT by Red Badger (The only way to defeat liberalism is to give them everything they want......then pick up the pieces.)
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To: pepsionice
......you can’t invent some gauged system to reward some taxpayers and not others.

What do you think we've been using for over a hundred years?...........

5 posted on 10/25/2013 6:51:56 AM PDT by Red Badger (The only way to defeat liberalism is to give them everything they want......then pick up the pieces.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Democrats had better accept this “gift horse”. Obamacare is shaping up to be the mother-of-all train wrecks and the Dems are squarely responsible for this mess. It is a political bomb that could damage their party for decades.

If I was a Dem, I’d want to cut my losses as quickly as possible and get beyond Obamacare before things get worse. The lawsuit is a convenient way out.


6 posted on 10/25/2013 6:52:07 AM PDT by Starboard
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To: Red Badger
Now, now. Don't go pissing on The LA Times special moment.

Technically they got something right. You don't criticize your child for not totally wiping his or her butt right the first time.

You give him a gold star and encourage him.

7 posted on 10/25/2013 6:53:30 AM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

I’m in the blue part of Ohio, and I know some moderates. Their take on this is:

- We needed health reform, the GOP did nothing, so we got Obamacare. Yeah, it’s a mess, but it’s a start.

- Republicans should quit whining and help fix it.

- This type of lawsuit only costs money, and makes the GOP look worse to these moderates.

These are not my views, but we can’t win elections without moderates.


8 posted on 10/25/2013 6:54:18 AM PDT by brownsfan (Behold, the power of government cheese.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Apparently the LATimes does not understand that our current President, a "constitutional professor", found power in the constitution that no President or the founders knew was in the constitution. This of course is the power to make law. As Obama says, (paraphrasing) I'll let congress do the right thing, and if not, I will act.

So because congress was so dumb as to not have subsidies with state exchanges, Obama simply made new law. How silly that the states do not understand we now have a King.

9 posted on 10/25/2013 6:54:33 AM PDT by 11th Commandment (http://www.thirty-thousand.org/)
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To: Starboard

“Democrats had better accept this “gift horse”. Obamacare is shaping up to be the mother-of-all train wrecks and the Dems are squarely responsible for this mess. It is a political bomb that could damage their party for decades.”

You know, whatever damage is done, the Republicans will do their best to make sure it’s not so bad for the Democrats.


10 posted on 10/25/2013 6:55:45 AM PDT by brownsfan (Behold, the power of government cheese.)
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To: brownsfan

“Moderates” are simply liberals (socialists) who can’t bring themselves to admit it.

Useful idiots is my best description.


11 posted on 10/25/2013 6:56:56 AM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (Catastrophic Anthropogenic Climate Alterations - The acronym explains the science.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

“We have to pass the bill before we can see what’s in it.”


12 posted on 10/25/2013 6:57:09 AM PDT by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer; SkyPilot; mazda77; JLAGRAYFOX; freekitty; oswegodeee; ZULU; unkus; ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcqM_1FS6B0

Tea Party ad. Where are the GOP ads????


13 posted on 10/25/2013 6:57:43 AM PDT by ExTexasRedhead
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To: pepsionice

What if one doesn’t live in a State or lives in more than one State?


14 posted on 10/25/2013 6:58:22 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Texas Eagle

The Spicoli character may have been dumb,
but he wasn’t malicious like Obama.


15 posted on 10/25/2013 7:00:01 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: MrB
The Spicoli character may have been dumb, but he wasn’t malicious like Obama.

What???

Do you remember what he did to Jefferson's vehicle?

And then who did he blame it on?

Actually, it just occurred to me how symbolic the phrase "Jefferson's vehicle" is.

Thanks for the inspiration.

16 posted on 10/25/2013 7:02:03 AM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel

“Useful idiots is my best description.”

Call them whatever you like. There are more of them then there are of us. So, unless you know a kind of math that I wasn’t taught, winning elections is impossible without them.

The recent gallup breakdown is:

R - 20 I - 47 D - 30


17 posted on 10/25/2013 7:03:11 AM PDT by brownsfan (Behold, the power of government cheese.)
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To: Texas Eagle

Yeah, they totally trashed Jefferson’s sports car,
but he didn’t do it because he hated Jefferson,

as Obama hates America.


18 posted on 10/25/2013 7:03:40 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Red Badger

Don’t worry, John Roberts will be able to “fix” the problem by judicial interpretative gymnastics as he catapaults through the General Welfare clause. Stay tuned!


19 posted on 10/25/2013 7:04:05 AM PDT by Susquehanna Patriot (U Think Leftist/Liberals Still Believe That Dissent = Highest Form of Patriotism?)
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To: brownsfan

That sure looks to be the case. Just yesterday Issa was on the afternoon Cavuto Show (Fox) and he said words to the effect that “we want to help make this work” (not exact quote but close). It really was an astonishing and self-destructive remark. But then again, that is standard operating procedure for the hapless Republicans. They are beyond stupid.


20 posted on 10/25/2013 7:05:25 AM PDT by Starboard
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To: MrB
A minor detail. He never should've been in the car in the first place. He may not even have been qualified to drive (nobody knows for sure) (another symbolism) nor did he care.

But, okay, he didn't do it out of malice.

21 posted on 10/25/2013 7:07:25 AM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: brownsfan

If only we could nominate a ‘moderate’ candidate...someone like a McCain or a Romney, we’d win for sure because it would attract lots more moderates! /s


22 posted on 10/25/2013 7:08:38 AM PDT by tatown ("So a Hispanic shoots a black and is acquitted by women, but it's still white men's fault.")
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

I like your posts, Oldeconomybuyer.

It all depends on how you interpret “an exchange established by the state.”

That’s the exact words of the stupid law. Republicans are reading it at face value. “The State” meaning like, Virginia. Looking at each state as a separate entity.

Democrats are reading it like “the state”, like “the government.” As in “an exchange from the state” is “an exchange by mother government” and therefore the law applies, and they should get their tax credits.

If the Supreme Court (where it ends up) is honest, they will admit that law says what it says to people who can read.

Or they’ll read it like Democrats, and interpret “a state” as “the state”. Like states have no individual standing, and a state line is just a geographical marker. “


23 posted on 10/25/2013 7:08:52 AM PDT by ToastedHead
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To: Texas Eagle

This thing is coming undone, people.

When the LA Slimes, NY Slimes, CNN, CBS News all start dumping on it...you know it’s in trouble.

They’re all flashing red warning signs to the Democrats.
Eject!!! Eject!!!


24 posted on 10/25/2013 7:13:49 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Starboard
That sure looks to be the case. Just yesterday Issa was on the afternoon Cavuto Show (Fox) and he said words to the effect that “we want to help make this work” (not exact quote but close). It really was an astonishing and self-destructive remark

Yeah...and he's about to introduce "immigration reform".....more astonishing and self-destructive work.

25 posted on 10/25/2013 7:14:40 AM PDT by spokeshave (While Zero plays silly card games like Spades - Putin plays for keeps.)
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To: tatown

“If only we could nominate a ‘moderate’ candidate...someone like a McCain or a Romney, we’d win for sure because it would attract lots more moderates! /s”

Here, let me type real slow so you can understand:

R - 20
I - 47
D - 30

Nominate all the conservatives you like. Piss of every single liberal and moderate. Then let me know how much better things get for you?

Being conservative and appealing to moderates isn’t mutually exclusive. Being hardline conservative and appealing to anyone but conservatives isn’t likely.


26 posted on 10/25/2013 7:18:08 AM PDT by brownsfan (Behold, the power of government cheese.)
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To: Buckeye McFrog
This thing is coming undone, people. When the LA Slimes, NY Slimes, CNN, CBS News all start dumping on it...you know it’s in trouble.

We can't let Obama's Press Corpse do our dirty work for us.

We know Republicans won't.

Stay on 'em, boys!

27 posted on 10/25/2013 7:18:37 AM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: brownsfan

My point was that your math is irrelevant (and “moderates” do not equate to “independents”). It is the GOPe that continues to champion “moderates” as the primary target for campaigns. That is the teachings and strategy of Karl Rove (who in my opinion can drop of the face of the Earth straight into Hell at any time).

The so-called moderates aren’t interested in being convinced by conservatives. They vote (i) their emotions - how compassionate their view themselves and (ii) the market “pocket book” - redistribution that feeds their personal compassion/piety.

The best strategy is to get patriotic Americans back in a mood to vote. Moderates aren’t the target.

The “Reagan Democrats” weren’t “moderates”, they believed in a prosperous USA and Reagan delivered.


28 posted on 10/25/2013 7:19:17 AM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (Catastrophic Anthropogenic Climate Alterations - The acronym explains the science.)
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To: brownsfan
- We needed health reform,

Why?, what exactly is wrong with our "health care" ? just curious

29 posted on 10/25/2013 7:21:13 AM PDT by NativeSon ( Grease the floor with Crisco when I dance the Disco)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Like law matters to these people.

The only way to get rid of this monstrosity will come through the ballot box. Trusting this regime to obey a court order it won’t like is folly.


30 posted on 10/25/2013 7:22:50 AM PDT by Colonel_Flagg (Some people meet their heroes. I raised mine. Go Army.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

We need a breakdown for how many people are signing up for private insurance and how many people have signed up for medicade.


31 posted on 10/25/2013 7:22:52 AM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: Texas Eagle

Oh, the absurdity of having a philosophical discussion about “Fast Times at Ridgemont High”...


32 posted on 10/25/2013 7:25:05 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: brownsfan

Correction. We can’t win elections WITH moderates. Any compromise with communism is surrender.


33 posted on 10/25/2013 7:26:02 AM PDT by Louis Foxwell (This is a wake up call. Join the Sultan Knish ping list.)
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel

“The best strategy is to get patriotic Americans back in a mood to vote. Moderates aren’t the target.”

The moderates I know have voted, and will vote Republican when it’s reasonable. Many didn’t vote Obama in 2012, they either voted 3rd party, or simply didn’t have a presidential selection on their ballot.

The patriotic Americans stepping forward is unlikely. We have about 3 generations of kids who have been indoctrinated to believe in all this Marxist crap.

There are two paths to take. One is to be hardline, hold to what’s near and dear, and don’t negotiate. Take no prisoners as you fade into irrelevance. It’s simple math.

The other is to tread water. Win the elections we can, draw in moderates, attempt to educate them, and make them see conservatism doesn’t mean starving kids, fouling the environment and making slaves of people. While winning those elections, if we don’t take back the schools, we’re doomed no matter what we do.


34 posted on 10/25/2013 7:27:44 AM PDT by brownsfan (Behold, the power of government cheese.)
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To: Paladin2

I’ve heard that they rigged up registered voting via this platform as well...so if you live in some state this month, and move over to another next month...it’d seem like you’d have to redo your health package, and possibly register to vote in yet another state. Seems like insurance fraud, voter fraud, and such...would go up drastically.


35 posted on 10/25/2013 7:29:09 AM PDT by pepsionice
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To: NativeSon

“Why?, what exactly is wrong with our “health care” ? just curious”

For me, nothing.

Cost especially and access secondarily. Remember many moderates buy into the healthcare as a right meme.


36 posted on 10/25/2013 7:30:58 AM PDT by brownsfan (Behold, the power of government cheese.)
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To: MrB

Sheeeyit. Discoursing on “Fast Times At Ridgemont High” is an intellectual smorgasbord compared to the world we live in.


37 posted on 10/25/2013 7:31:52 AM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel
“Moderates” are simply liberals (socialists) who can’t bring themselves to admit it.

Useful idiots is my best description.

The unspoken behavior amomgst the true Reds is that the "usefully idiots" are put up against the wall and shot right along side the conservative resistance. Just like Central America in the 1980s.

38 posted on 10/25/2013 7:34:35 AM PDT by USCG SimTech (Honored to serve since '71)
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To: brownsfan

The R, I, and D ratios you keep posting are completely meaningless. For example, the I’s have grown and the R’s have shrunk because conservatives are leaving the R category by the droves. I would have thought you would have known that before spewing your ‘we need to be more moderate’ garbage.

Using your own words ‘let me type this real slow so you can understand’, let’s see how your formula works in the real world:

2008
Obama - 365 electoral votes
McCain (moderate) - 173 electoral votes

2012
Obama - 332 elector votes
Romney (moderate) - 206 electoral votes

You’ve had two moderates in a row get their collective doors blown off. I would suggest we try a different type of candidate next time around....maybe someone not quite as moderate.


39 posted on 10/25/2013 7:35:07 AM PDT by tatown ("So a Hispanic shoots a black and is acquitted by women, but it's still white men's fault.")
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To: brownsfan

Your friends aren’t moderates. They are socialists.


40 posted on 10/25/2013 7:37:01 AM PDT by impimp
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
But 36 states have decided against opening exchanges for now. Although the law permits the federal government to open exchanges instead, it does not say tax credits may be given to those who buy insurance through a federally run exchange.

Maybe Roberts saw this self inflicted poison pill,

41 posted on 10/25/2013 7:39:35 AM PDT by Mike Darancette (Do The Math)
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To: Starboard

This could be a gift for any conservative really.

If the Dems refuse to cave and try and defend Obamacare (again) in the courts, and then the sheep (excuse me I mean the general American citizenry) finally realize how much they will pay under the godless system, they will be crushed at the polls (even with all the voter fraud) as even the “citizenry” won’t forget the most recent pain they experienced and WHO is squarely on record as defending the cause of such pain. Even an average American won’t be that stupid and/or uninformed.

If the Dims do nothing and let the law be struck down finally (thank you in advance, traitor Roberts) then it’s gone anyway.

All that needs to happen is continued problems with the website (keeping national attention on Obamacare) and these legal proceedings to go as well as they have already.

So I’m starting to feel ok about things after all, like recovering from a long spell of diarrhea. But who knows, something might come along to crap all over the country again; it probably will actually so I’m not getting my hopes up too much.


42 posted on 10/25/2013 7:42:41 AM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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To: impimp

Exactly.


43 posted on 10/25/2013 7:44:01 AM PDT by tatown ("So a Hispanic shoots a black and is acquitted by women, but it's still white men's fault.")
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To: NativeSon
"Why?, what exactly is wrong with our "health care" ? just curious"

One word: LAWYERS

44 posted on 10/25/2013 7:45:19 AM PDT by anoldafvet
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
More legal trouble for Affordable Care Act

Looks like Justice Roberts is going to have to do another favor for Obama.

45 posted on 10/25/2013 7:47:32 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: brownsfan
that's what I don't get, I have no issues. I pay insurance but I don't think that I bought a all day pass to Disney World or a ticket to the dinner buffet.

The only "reforms" or fixes needed would be tort reform so every trip to the doctor's is not thought of as getting a lottery ticket and the ability to purchase insurance policies across state lines.

46 posted on 10/25/2013 7:48:45 AM PDT by NativeSon ( Grease the floor with Crisco when I dance the Disco)
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To: smokingfrog

Of the limited number of states to report, it’s running between 60-87% Medicaid enrollees. Search FR for “rinocare” in the keyword and you can find linked articles.


47 posted on 10/25/2013 7:50:33 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

-——it was never the intent of Congress -——

The intent of the Congress was plainly written in black and white. There was no foot note or reference elsewhere.

The IRS has overstepped it’s enforcement ability.


48 posted on 10/25/2013 7:51:33 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Travon... Felony assault and battery hate crime)
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To: Starboard
They are beyond stupid.

Republicans aren't stupid. They work for the other side.

49 posted on 10/25/2013 8:00:03 AM PDT by Count of Monte Fisto (The foundation of modern society is the denial of reality.)
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To: anoldafvet; brownsfan

Exactly, and that’s what people like brownsfan should be telling their “moderate” friends.

We can all agree that our healthcare system suffers from outrageous costs which is the primary problem. It’s what to do about the problem that’s debated.

The socialist/communist approach is to make a massive, centralized governmental “solution” that does nothing to actually solve the problem at hand, or really the causes of the problem which are outrageous lawsuits brought for the equivalent of a papercut.

One giant step forward would be to make a “loser pay” system to discourage frivolous lawsuits who’s only real goal is to get out of court settlements, not actually bring “justice”, and all that does is drive up cost of malpractice insurance for doctors (and medical suppliers) who then pass on the hikes to us.

This is what you should be promoting to your “moderate” friends, brownsfan, that, and the idea of portable, tax free health savings accounts.

These two plans would do so much more to make healthcare affordable for everyone than Obamacare. The only losers would be the b*****d lawyers and the Marxists who seek to control everyone’s life through the Federal Government.

A win-win to me.


50 posted on 10/25/2013 8:00:53 AM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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