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Issa: Extend fed-worker health plan to all Americans
Washington Post ^ | October 25, 2013 | By Josh Hicks

Posted on 10/25/2013 8:50:33 AM PDT by Brad from Tennessee

A top Republican has proposed legislation that would allow all Americans to enroll in the health plan used by federal employees and members of Congress.

House Oversight Committee Chairman Darrell Issa (R-Calif.), who introduced the bill, said the measure would address some of the nation’s key healthcare challenges.

“This is a free-market approach to healthcare with government playing the very limited role of helping small businesses and individuals come together to get a better price for healthcare — much like larger businesses can already negotiate on their own,” Issa said in a statement Thursday.

Reps. William Lacy Clay (D-Mo.) and Mick Mulvaney (R-S.C.) have co-sponsored the legislation, giving the bill support from both ends of the political spectrum.

The National Journal listed Clay as tied for first among the most-liberal House members in its 2012 vote ratings. Issa and Mulvaney rank among the top one-third for most-conservative lawmakers.

Federal worker labor groups criticized the health measure on Thursday. American Federation of Government Employees president J. David Cox suggested that the bill is unnecessary, saying the federal-worker plan is similar to the insurance exchange established under President Obama’s signature health-care legislation. . .

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KEYWORDS: 0carenightmare; federalworkers; issa; issaobamacare

1 posted on 10/25/2013 8:50:33 AM PDT by Brad from Tennessee
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To: Brad from Tennessee

Isn’t Issa too busy working on amnesty to work on this?


2 posted on 10/25/2013 8:52:22 AM PDT by stanne
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To: Brad from Tennessee

Issa’s attempt to distract attention from his Amnesty Bill that he’s introducing in the House next week.


3 posted on 10/25/2013 8:53:34 AM PDT by jimbo123
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To: Brad from Tennessee

That would make it a ‘single payer’ plan.

One plan for everybody.

One provider.

Well played, you bastard. Well played


4 posted on 10/25/2013 8:56:38 AM PDT by maine yankee (I got my Governor at 'Marden's')
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To: maine yankee

WIth “Republicans” like this, who needs Democrats?


5 posted on 10/25/2013 8:57:09 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Brad from Tennessee; mickie; pax_et_bonum; flaglady47; seekthetruth; Bob Ireland
At a most critical time and with this new hairbrained idea, Rep. Izza Loser is muddying the waters for Republicans already muddled and apprehensive about their health care....plus he's also taking the spotlight off ObamaCare with some crazy amnesty bill he's proposing.....plus I heard him say on Fox the night before last that we must get behind the efforts to fix the ObamaCare website and get moving because "ObamaCare is the law of the land".

Rep. Issa has apparently imbibed the DC Kool-Ade and is now working for the other side (the dark side).

Beware the Ides of March, or in this case, the Issas of November.

Leni

6 posted on 10/25/2013 9:01:18 AM PDT by MinuteGal (<p>)
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To: maine yankee

I’m not sure your assessment is correct.

Then again, it won’t ever pass the Senate or get signed by Obama...it may be a clever way to bring attention back to special privledges for Capitol Hill.....

Let’s let it play out......


7 posted on 10/25/2013 9:02:00 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

Quite correct. Let the Dems tell what is wrong with this idea.


8 posted on 10/25/2013 9:03:12 AM PDT by refermech
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To: Brad from Tennessee

Does that include the 72% federal subsidy supplied by the taxpayers to cover the costs?


9 posted on 10/25/2013 9:03:28 AM PDT by kabar
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To: jimbo123
I'm SURE he got TONS of angry phone calls because of his upcoming Amnesty stunt, including one from ME. He needs to stay on the topic of 0bamacare and let the festering wound fester some more.

All we heard about just a few days ago was about how the 'Republicans blew it big time' by "shutting down the government to stop 0bamacare". Well, it looks like 0bamacare should've been stopped or delayed after all but do we hear the media talking about Ted Cruz's vindication over his 21 hour filibuster BECAUSE OF 0bamacare? HELL NO.

10 posted on 10/25/2013 9:04:33 AM PDT by CivilWarBrewing
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To: Brad from Tennessee

Can’t we just get this idiot to start investigating himself and STFU?


11 posted on 10/25/2013 9:06:51 AM PDT by Junk Silver
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To: stanne
Issa's so definitely working for the other side. Whenever his committee takes up an issue, we never hear about that issue again. It's like someone gives him instructions to bury issues.

As far as this health care idea. We need to focus, not suggest another forced government plan. Delay Obamacare, drop the mandate, have an non-mandated catastrophic policy for which the consumer chooses the deductible.

12 posted on 10/25/2013 9:06:59 AM PDT by grania
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To: Brad from Tennessee

Go to Hell, Issa.


13 posted on 10/25/2013 9:07:03 AM PDT by onyx (Please Support Free Republic - Donate Monthly! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, Let Me know!)
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To: stanne

The current illegals situation is defacto amnesty already.

The illegals currently can get jobs, medical treatments, food stamps, maternity care, welfare, on and on. They are ALREADY a huge burden on schools and get in-state tuition in colleges.

AND THEY CAN VOTE BY MAIL IN MY STATE, NO ID REQUIRED.

Yeah.....Legal amnesty won’tchange anything I WILL NOTICE.


14 posted on 10/25/2013 9:07:39 AM PDT by entropy12 (With no fear of re-election, Obama is becoming more radical left..thanks a lot all you who abstained)
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To: Brad from Tennessee
Under Issa’s bill, the government would not provide premium support, but employers could contribute funding as a benefit to their personnel.

I doubt there would be many takers without the subsidies, which amount to about 12K a year. These are Cadillac plans as defined by Obamacare and can be taxed. Obama gave the FEHBP a wavier from this tax--at least for the next few years.

15 posted on 10/25/2013 9:08:15 AM PDT by kabar
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To: stanne

issa waste of time, the latest chosen water bearer of the GOPe (i guess ryan, cantor and boehner decided to run a new rep leftist out there to spread their pain around) decides to fly all his true blue leftist colors.

yeah says issa, let’s just all have gov’t run and subsidized insurance (aka single payer and eventually substandard healthcare) and BTW, let’s give it away to all illegal locusts sucking our nation dry through amnesty.


16 posted on 10/25/2013 9:10:29 AM PDT by dadfly
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To: maine yankee

What do Republicans not understand about the Fed. Gov. not being involved in health care?


17 posted on 10/25/2013 9:10:48 AM PDT by yellowdoghunter (Welcome to Obamastan!)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

If the labor union leaders are against this, it could be a good thing to point out the hypocrisy of unions. How dare the common people ask for as good benefits!


18 posted on 10/25/2013 9:12:45 AM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: Brad from Tennessee

This proposal is just to provide him with cover as he pushes his amnesty bill.


19 posted on 10/25/2013 9:15:12 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Brad from Tennessee

What about Benghazi? Get busy on that Issa. It’s over a year ago. Get your ass in gear.

Then there’s F&F, AP, IRS, Seal Team 6.


20 posted on 10/25/2013 9:15:16 AM PDT by Ray76 (Remember the Barrycades!)
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To: maine yankee

One plan for everybody. One provider.
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Not really true. Multiple healthcare providers and different plans are offered through FEHB.


21 posted on 10/25/2013 9:15:25 AM PDT by Starboard
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To: yellowdoghunter

Issa is not “on the same team” with us, he likes to pretend and makes hay about holding hearings but nothing ever comes from them.


22 posted on 10/25/2013 9:15:33 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: entropy12

It’s a mess.

To surrender, however, is an enormous mistake.

It will legitimize this. it’s not legitimate, and it is illegal, what they are doing. Imagine what will happen when our government gives them a stamp of approval.

Already, I am looked down upon for not speaking Spanish/Mexican, and by people with a lot of money and education.

NO.

surrender caucus can talk all they/you want. It’s an irreversible mistake to stamp approval on it.

No way are they going to ever respect our laws nor our culture after pushing through.

NO


23 posted on 10/25/2013 9:17:47 AM PDT by stanne
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To: Brad from Tennessee; All

More proof Issa is a Democrat subversive

You know how many trillions it would cost to put Americans on Fed Health Care Plan? You would not be able to do this without all the Medicaid folks bring put on it...or they will claim RACISM


24 posted on 10/25/2013 9:22:13 AM PDT by SeminoleCounty (Fact Is: GOPe want ObamaCare.)
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To: entropy12
The current illegals situation is defacto amnesty already.

John McCain coined the term de facto amnesty in 2008 to fool and deceive the voter and now Marco Rubio has used it for the same purpose, i.e., to promote amnesty. The idea is to make it seem that there is no difference between real amnesty and de facto amnesty. It is ludicrous and dishonest.

Under real amnesty you can work LEGALLY; you can receive SSNs LEGALLY; you can travel freely from and to the US LEGALLY; you can receive welfare benefits, Medicaid, Obamacare, Medicare, SS, food stamps, etc. LEGALLY; you can get citizenship LEGALLY; you can vote LEGALLY, and you can sponsor your relatives to enter the US under chain migration LEGALLY.

How many of the lawbreakers under de facto amnesty, are paying taxes?

Yeah.....Legal amnesty won’t change anything I WILL NOTICE.

Yeah, you, McCain, and Rubio can spout this nonsense, but amnesty changes everything. Otherwise, why are those under de facto amnesty pushing for real amnesty? And make no mistake, you will notice because it is a BFD.

25 posted on 10/25/2013 9:22:49 AM PDT by kabar
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To: maine yankee
That would make it a ‘single payer’ plan.

Wrong. It is done through private insurance companies.

26 posted on 10/25/2013 9:30:31 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away.)
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To: maine yankee
That would make it a ‘single payer’ plan.

I am a retired federal employee. There are multiple plans to chose from and none are run by the fed-gov.

The problem with this idea is that the fed-gov puts in about 50% of the cost for the insurance for current and retired employees.

Without this subsidy the cost would be just as unaffordable as anything you can get on the open market.

I have no idea what the good congressman is talking about. If he is talking about a 50% subsidy for the entire nation then he is even dumber that Obama.

27 posted on 10/25/2013 10:00:04 AM PDT by usurper (Liberals GET OFF MY LAWN)
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To: usurper

The federal subsidy is 72% for current and retired employees. At least that is what I receive.


28 posted on 10/25/2013 10:13:36 AM PDT by kabar
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To: maine yankee
Not true. There are a whole host of different plans the Fed workers get to choose from, including Blue/Cross Blue Shield.

NOW--what Issa needs to do is add to that bill the private retirement plan--Thrift Savings Plan (TSP)-- which ALL Federal workers get to contribute to--and which earned one USPS worker I know $50,000 in 7 years!

And we wonder why Congress critters do NOT want anything to upset the Stock Market? With all their access to insider trading, that's where their money is, since TSP allows people to put a percentage of their pay into a bunch of different investments--some low risk, some high--but mostly in stocks.

I would LOVE to see reported somewhere the amount that is in each Congress critters TSP account--betcha it's in the millions for people like Reid and Pelosi!

29 posted on 10/25/2013 10:29:17 AM PDT by milagro (There is no peace in appeasement.)
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To: usurper

If you read the story, the gov’t would not provide any money.. the employer would be allowed to contribute to the system like gov’t does for federal employeees . I believe this is something heritage or some other think tank proposed in early 90’s.


30 posted on 10/25/2013 11:29:32 AM PDT by scbison
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To: All

Can we all get away from the harmful terminology of the Socialists?

There is NO ‘federal subsidy’...it’s a TAXPAYER subsidy.

We should be hammering them when they ask “why do you hate OCare” with “Maybe, just maybe, If I wasn’t already paying for the ‘72% subsidy’ to D.C., on top of their other ‘generous’ benefits, I MIGHT be able to pay for my OWN care or 401k or vacation or. Same with my $$ stolen for Section8, EITC, EBT, etc. which ‘they’ never paid a dime into to receive.”


31 posted on 10/25/2013 11:34:50 AM PDT by i_robot73 (Give me one example and I will show where gov't is the root of the problem(s).)
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To: stanne
I don't know but even if his amnesty idea stinks he needs to be commended for this idea.

It's got the the Fed union people way upset. That's OK by me.

32 posted on 10/25/2013 11:53:52 AM PDT by what's up
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To: what's up

He’s not serious.

Ted Cruz is serious.

I’d like to see Issa take 21 hours out of his week in pushing amnesty, to present this case to the people in every known form of communication and 2 million signers, and take all the abuse even and especially his own party would give him.

No way.


33 posted on 10/25/2013 11:59:28 AM PDT by stanne
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To: usurper
Without this subsidy the cost would be just as unaffordable as anything you can get on the open market.

As far as I understand it the employer would contribute the "subsidy".

The open market makes it very difficult for small businesses to get in on anything like a choice between 230 insurance companies. Presumably the Federal employees aren't having to deal with not being able to purchase across state lines so they have a gold-mine of choice.

This is a great idea by Issa IMO.

34 posted on 10/25/2013 11:59:47 AM PDT by what's up
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To: stanne
Ted Cruz hasn't proposed any legislation like this as far as I know.

If any rep proposes a good idea, I will commend him/her.

35 posted on 10/25/2013 12:08:18 PM PDT by what's up
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To: what's up

Good ideas are cheap, right now, that’s all I mean. Especially when they’re not serious and no one is going to take them up and follow through.

Last one was defunding obamacare.


36 posted on 10/25/2013 12:14:35 PM PDT by stanne
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To: stanne
Good ideas are cheap, right now,

So you'd rather NOT have our reps coming up with good ideas? That's pretty silly.

37 posted on 10/25/2013 12:48:42 PM PDT by what's up
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To: what's up

OH, not at all. I think that reps who are working hard at pushing amnesty, like Issa is, should come up with ideas that neither they nor anyone else is going to take remotely seriously, if it takes them off their real goal, in destroying our country as they work for some undisclosed entity is so doing as long as it takes them off task.

In this case, however, this is the idea of some low level staffer, put out in a hurry in order to take your eyes off the subject.

We call that Blarney. there are many names for it, but we Irish types recognize it ten miles away and refer to it as Blarney.


38 posted on 10/25/2013 1:09:55 PM PDT by stanne
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To: stanne
In this case, however, this is the idea of some low level staffer, put out in a hurry in order to take your eyes off the subject.

Nonsense.

I've heard the idea proposed more than once by different people.

The more people who discuss it, the better.

39 posted on 10/25/2013 1:18:03 PM PDT by what's up
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To: what's up

OK. Can’t wait for Issa to get right on this.


40 posted on 10/25/2013 1:25:00 PM PDT by stanne
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To: Brad from Tennessee

the problem with folks like ISSA is that they want to give everyone GOODIES, when the role of government is to GIVE NOTHING because the point of our constitution is that people are supposed to be in charge of their lives not the government...that is why there is a TEA Party!!!


41 posted on 10/25/2013 2:16:53 PM PDT by q_an_a (the more laws the less justice)
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To: stanne; kabar

If I was the president, in charge of enforcing laws, I would round up all 22 million or whatever the number and ship them back where they came from. And then build a secure fence at the southern borders. Not only that I would require all visitors and students to register with local police every month.

But I smell the coffee. I know and y’all know that is not happening and won’t happen. So the current situation is exactly same as legal Amnesty. Actually it is far worse, because we do not know who is here, where they live, what they do for a living.

So long as illegals are getting all the benefits of legals currently, anyone against amnesty are dreamers. The reality and dreaming are quite different in my world. May be that explains my phenomenal success in everything I have done in life. I make an effort to face reality on the ground.


42 posted on 10/25/2013 7:35:39 PM PDT by entropy12 (With no fear of re-election, Obama is becoming more radical left..thanks a lot all you who abstained)
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To: entropy12
So the current situation is exactly same as legal Amnesty.

It is not and I gave you the reasons why.

So long as illegals are getting all the benefits of legals currently, anyone against amnesty are dreamers.

They are not getting all the benefits of legals, which is why they are pushing for an amnesty.

43 posted on 10/25/2013 7:39:43 PM PDT by kabar
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To: entropy12

It’s a thoughtful comment

No, though, it is not exactly the same as amnesty and it is a dangerous fur render to look at it as such

One: a stamp of approval would be a demoralization to us and to the constitution. Much worse than it is given credit for.
Two: anyone who dreams that any one of these lawless creatures would sign up in greater numbers tha Americans signing up for health care (0 in five states. That is zero in five states!) is in a dream land and should check his prescription pharmaceutical medication intake, including any hormonal, especially and then be honest about alcohol intake, because that is NOT gonna happen

Not happening


44 posted on 10/25/2013 8:12:38 PM PDT by stanne
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To: stanne

aha....but then we can separate the real law breakers from those who will acquiesce to the amnesty law...the more acceptable bunch. Those who register will get a card of sorts. Those who don’t won’t have the card and police can turn them in to ICE. But all this has to wait until the community organizer from Chicago is out of office.


45 posted on 10/26/2013 1:03:25 AM PDT by entropy12 (With no fear of re-election, Obama is becoming more radical left..thanks a lot all you who abstained)
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To: kabar

well.....what they are really looking for is to be able to vote LEGALLY. Now they just have to vote illegally. No ID’s required in my state to register on-line and all voting is by mail. Fraud galore!

They get food stamps ( I meet them in the grocery store every fricking time I am there), their kids are attending K-12, some states even grant them in-state college tuition.


46 posted on 10/26/2013 1:07:30 AM PDT by entropy12 (With no fear of re-election, Obama is becoming more radical left..thanks a lot all you who abstained)
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To: entropy12
well.....what they are really looking for is to be able to vote LEGALLY. Now they just have to vote illegally. No ID’s required in my state to register on-line and all voting is by mail. Fraud galore!

Actually, most of the illegals are here to work and escape their home countries. Many are not interested in becoming citizens except to reap the benefits it offers. It is their Democrat masters who want to use them politically to bolster their voting rolls.

You must live in Washington or Oregon. Why doesn't the GOP in your state work on getting tougher voter ID laws?

They get food stamps ( I meet them in the grocery store every fricking time I am there),

Usually, they get the food stamps thru their American born children who are US citizens via birthright citizenship. They are entitled to all the benefits of any citizen including food stamps, Medicaid, welfare payments, etc.

their kids are attending K-12,

SCOTUS decided that in Plyler vs Doe in 1982. The court struck down a state (TX) statute denying funding for education to illegal immigrant children and simultaneously struck down a municipal school district's attempt to charge illegal immigrants an annual $1,000 tuition fee for each illegal immigrant student to compensate for the lost state funding.

Back to the main point. There is a quantum jump from so-called de facto amnesty and real amnesty. Rubio, McCain, Schumer, Graham, Gutierrez, Ryan, and the rest of the pro-amnesty crowd would like to blur the difference, but it is a chasm. Don't fall for it.

47 posted on 10/26/2013 8:25:43 AM PDT by kabar
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