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High school cheerleader car wash violates environmental laws
The Daily Caller ^ | 10-25-2013 | Michael Bastasch

Posted on 10/25/2013 10:10:17 AM PDT by markomalley

It’s hard to wave your spirit fingers when the city shuts down the cheerleading squad’s fundraising car wash to protect the environment.

This is what happened to Lincoln High School cheerleaders trying to raise money to attend a national competition in April. The San Jose Mercury reports that local environmental officials warned the high school cheerleaders that their car wash violated the city’s water discharge laws.

“We had a visit from the city of San Jose Environmental Services Department who said that the car washes at Hoover [Middle School] are in violation of water discharge laws, therefore we had to cancel this and all future car washes,” said an email that was sent out to neighborhood email lists on Oct. 18.

“Anything that is not storm water or rain water is considered a pollutant,” said Jennie Loft, acting communications manager for San Jose’s Environmental Services Department. “If it goes into a storm drain, that pollutant will harm wildlife and habitats in the creeks. Water goes directly from the storm drains into our creeks.”

The city intervened in response to two complaints received about the car wash events Lincoln High Schoolers had been holding at Hoover Middle School. City officials reached out to school and district staff to give them information on how to prevent pollutants from getting into storm drains.

The city also gave some tips on how they can have legally compliant cars washes.

The Mercury reports: “Conduct car washing over gravel, grassy area, or other earthen areas if possible… Ensure that wash water (soapy or not) does not run into a street, gutter, or storm drain… Wash water from paved areas should be collected and diverted either into the sanitary sewer system or a landscaped area… Use different methods to protect the storm drain system… Ensure no soap stains remain on the ground.”

These byzantine regulations don’t just apply to high school sports teams struggling to raise money, but also to individuals who want to give their car a rinse.

“What most people should do if washing their cars at home is park it on the lawn so the water is diverted into landscape,” Loft said. “Or go to a designated neighborhood car wash, so it doesn’t go into the storm drain.”

According to the Mercury, the Lincoln High School cheerleaders still need funds to get to their competition and are welcoming contributions by check to “Lincoln Cheer 2013-2014, Lincoln High School, 555 Dana Ave., San Jose, 95126, attention Mrs. Phillips.”


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Must be that evil dihydrogen monoxide pollutant again.
1 posted on 10/25/2013 10:10:17 AM PDT by markomalley
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To: markomalley

No bake sales, either.

How about a ‘calender’?................


2 posted on 10/25/2013 10:12:55 AM PDT by Red Badger (The only way to defeat liberalism is to give them everything they want......then pick up the pieces.)
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To: markomalley

I didn’t know these types of car washes were allowed anywhere anymore.

Besides the soap runoff problem - they also waste water. My city has banned these for many years now.


3 posted on 10/25/2013 10:13:33 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Responsibility2nd

HS and other orgs still do it here, practically every weekend somewhere here in town some group is having a car wash.......


4 posted on 10/25/2013 10:14:59 AM PDT by Red Badger (The only way to defeat liberalism is to give them everything they want......then pick up the pieces.)
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To: markomalley

Must be that evil dihydrogen monoxide pollutant again.
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and to think it will be mixed with soap (usually considered to be a fertilizer) and dirt ... terrible stuff.


5 posted on 10/25/2013 10:15:09 AM PDT by Neidermeyer (I used to be disgusted , now I try to be amused.)
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To: markomalley

Let’s see they have outlawed Phosphorus and every other chemical that actually works at getting something clean so what exactly is the problem this time?


6 posted on 10/25/2013 10:15:17 AM PDT by mowowie
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To: markomalley

The kids are learning a valuable lesson right there...

I hope


7 posted on 10/25/2013 10:15:34 AM PDT by Mr. K (Lies, Damned Lies, Statistics, and then Democrat Talking Points.)
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To: markomalley

"I'm happy."

8 posted on 10/25/2013 10:15:56 AM PDT by Yossarian
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To: Responsibility2nd

“I didn’t know these types of car washes were allowed anywhere anymore.”

Really? Around here they’re extremely common.


9 posted on 10/25/2013 10:16:02 AM PDT by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good -- Leo XIII)
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To: markomalley
“We had a visit from the city of San Jose Environmental Services Department

Did the guy look like this?


10 posted on 10/25/2013 10:16:40 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: markomalley

If the car-washers were boys, Obamatollah would grant an exemption.

Especially during Ramadan.

Especially during gay pride week.


11 posted on 10/25/2013 10:16:45 AM PDT by LyinLibs (If victims of islam were more "islamophobic," maybe they'd still be alive.)
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To: Yossarian

Is this true?


12 posted on 10/25/2013 10:17:01 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: markomalley
“Anything that is not storm water or rain water is considered a pollutant,” said Jennie Loft, acting communications manager for San Jose’s Environmental Services Department. “If it goes into a storm drain, that pollutant will harm wildlife and habitats in the creeks.

The Boys Sports teams should hold a Mass Wizz into the storm drains.

13 posted on 10/25/2013 10:17:19 AM PDT by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: markomalley

The mental image people generally have of totalitarian government is something like Aushwitz or Kolyma or the Killing Fields. Some time before that final solution stage is reached we get to “Simon Sez” government wherein you may do nothing without explicit permission.


14 posted on 10/25/2013 10:18:36 AM PDT by Paine in the Neck (Is John's moustache long enough YET?)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Some of the oldest translated text was “he took abundance from abundance and there was still abundance” Today, the anti-hum crowd fears the abundance of earth and lives lives of unhappiness.

I know the architect of the universe would not allow this and the creator, that started this planet spinning in a perfect spot in the universe to create what we have would never care about 1 or a million car washes.

It is the hubris of man and governments to play a God they do not understand and believe that he created will be here long after these people have gone and not enjoyed their time here.


15 posted on 10/25/2013 10:18:46 AM PDT by edcoil (System now set up not to allow some to win but for no one to lose!)
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To: markomalley

Disclaimer:

I live in Texas. We are in severe drought conditions. Every city has Stage 2 water restrictions. You can’t water your lawn except once a week. And it must be before 10:00am or after 6:00pm.

Stuff like that.


16 posted on 10/25/2013 10:18:52 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: dfwgator

yes...it's true...this man has no dick.

17 posted on 10/25/2013 10:19:02 AM PDT by BookmanTheJanitor
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To: Responsibility2nd
And it must be before 10:00am or after 6:00pm.

That just makes sense drought, or no drought.

18 posted on 10/25/2013 10:19:31 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Responsibility2nd

Besides the soap runoff problem - they also waste water. My city has banned these for many years now....Soooo..the city is getting a kickback from the car washes in the area, right? Or haven’t you looked into that? Somebody pays for the water, the the soap is, by regulation, biodegradable and what is the problem?


19 posted on 10/25/2013 10:19:33 AM PDT by Safetgiver ( Islam makes barbarism look genteel.)
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To: dfwgator

BTW, who is that? :)


20 posted on 10/25/2013 10:20:17 AM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (Great vid by ShorelineMike! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOZjJk6nbD4&feature=plcp)
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To: markomalley

Are tears also covered?

What a goofy f’n world.

I hope those students affected see what has happened.


21 posted on 10/25/2013 10:21:02 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi)
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To: RushIsMyTeddyBear

He’s the EPA inspector who tried to shut down the Ghostbusters’ operation.


22 posted on 10/25/2013 10:21:19 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Red Badger
How about a ‘calender’?

Nekkid is OK, but no clothing or body paint displaying the American Flag.

23 posted on 10/25/2013 10:21:31 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

My town limits watering to once every 2 weeks.

and its rained a lot lately.


24 posted on 10/25/2013 10:21:40 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: Safetgiver; All

My local Stage 2 Water restrictions.

http://www.saws.org/conservation/droughtrestrictions/StageTwo.cfm


25 posted on 10/25/2013 10:23:33 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Responsibility2nd

I live in Texas and I see several fundraising car washes every weekend from the start of the school year until it gets too cold.


26 posted on 10/25/2013 10:23:34 AM PDT by Zippo44 (Liberal: another word for poltroon.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

We have them all the time. Ain’t no way in hell the people of Oklahoma would let the Gestapo tell us we couldn’t have a car wash! The soap run-off problem....really???


27 posted on 10/25/2013 10:24:00 AM PDT by yellowdoghunter (Welcome to Obamastan!)
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To: markomalley

Just curious, when it happens to rain on those 500,000 dirty San Jose vehicles where does all that filthy water go?
The city is taking care of that problem as well i imagine, or maybe they should fine or ban god while they are at it.

I HATE Leftists.


28 posted on 10/25/2013 10:24:01 AM PDT by mowowie
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To: GeronL

San Antonio is not that wevere. Yet. And we had a good wet summer too. My St. Augustine was (and still is) green.


29 posted on 10/25/2013 10:24:51 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Responsibility2nd

wevere = severe.

Sheesh.


30 posted on 10/25/2013 10:25:51 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: markomalley

Many people are surprised by all this crap. I’m not. I know how they think. They are communists and want to control everything.


31 posted on 10/25/2013 10:26:11 AM PDT by I want the USA back (Media: completely irresponsible traitors. Complicit in the destruction of our country.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

I’m about 40 miles from San Antonio


32 posted on 10/25/2013 10:26:25 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: markomalley

Nope it is not the water that is the pollutant, it’s the soap and the runoff from impervious surfaces going into the storm drain system. I live in an area where two major river systems are under serious threats because of urban and agricultural runoff. Diverting runoff into retention ponds or following other practices that minimize or eliminate it all together are not draconian. Now I should mention the main threat our rivers face is because of Army Corps of Engineer’s policy on discharging water from Lake Okeechobee. They of course never have to show the same concern for valuable natural resources as us common folk.

The city in this instance explained how to avoid violating policy and the changes needed are not that drastic, don’t wash cars on the pavement, divert it to a retention area. This is not a case of nonsense rules made to oppress innocent citizens and well intentioned students.


33 posted on 10/25/2013 10:27:46 AM PDT by lastchance ("Nisi credideritis, non intelligetis" St. Augustine)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Yup—our water shortage in my area (Austin) is really severe.

I’m looking out my window at Lake Travis. I’ve never seen it down this low. We have gotten a few inches of rain in the last week or so, and it’s helped a bit, but our water usage is still restricted.


34 posted on 10/25/2013 10:28:01 AM PDT by basil (2ASisters.org)
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To: GeronL

I just wish we could get enough rain to refill Medina Lake. Have you seen that place lately?

Wow.


35 posted on 10/25/2013 10:29:05 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Paul Wevere was a weaver who wanted a waiver where-ever he went.


36 posted on 10/25/2013 10:29:38 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: Safetgiver

Look up “run off” and figure out how it is a source of pollutants to rivers, and creeks, and why that might possible harm valuable wildlife and impact the local economy.


37 posted on 10/25/2013 10:29:59 AM PDT by lastchance ("Nisi credideritis, non intelligetis" St. Augustine)
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To: dfwgator

My name is Peck


38 posted on 10/25/2013 10:30:42 AM PDT by thinkthenpost
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To: basil

At least you have water. My place at Medina Lake is dry.

At last report that lake was about 5 percent full.

:(


39 posted on 10/25/2013 10:30:55 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: GeronL

Weawwy? (Elmer Fudd speak)


40 posted on 10/25/2013 10:31:36 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: markomalley
But road oils and grease and other pollutants are okay to run into the sewer system but not soap. Got it.
41 posted on 10/25/2013 10:32:18 AM PDT by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral.)
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To: thinkthenpost

Between that and Die Hard, I think the guy was just a bit typecast.


42 posted on 10/25/2013 10:32:29 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Responsibility2nd

No, but Canyon Lake doesn’t look all that bad, IMO...

You would think with all the rain the level would go up more.

http://canyon-tx.lakesonline.com/Level.asp


43 posted on 10/25/2013 10:33:49 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: Responsibility2nd

I heard about that Lake Medina. That is so sad.

The rains will come in due time—unless the desert is trying to take a huge part of the Lone Star State back.........


44 posted on 10/25/2013 10:33:50 AM PDT by basil (2ASisters.org)
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To: lastchance

I am pretty much almost all enviro regulations, but this isn’t one of them in a densely populated area.


45 posted on 10/25/2013 10:34:19 AM PDT by SeaHawkFan
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To: Responsibility2nd

I didn’t know these types of car washes were allowed anywhere anymore.”

One of the local high schools in the Houston suburbs had one last weekend which took place in the Sonic parking lot. I don’t buy from Sonic any more but did patronize them. Good way for kids to raise money - at least in parts of Texas kids are still allowed to do kid things which lets them be involved.


46 posted on 10/25/2013 10:34:31 AM PDT by Grams A (The Sun will rise in the East in the morning and God is still on his throne.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

“All is well. You did not come here to fix a broken world. The world is not broken. You came here to live a wonderful life. And if you can learn to relax a little and let it all in, you will begin to see the universe present you with all that you have asked for.” - Abraham Hicks


47 posted on 10/25/2013 10:34:50 AM PDT by edcoil (System now set up not to allow some to win but for no one to lose!)
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To: basil; GeronL
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Boat Ramp in my community leading to Medina Lake.

 

 

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48 posted on 10/25/2013 10:36:27 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: markomalley

soap is bad. Who knew?

must suck to live in the city.


49 posted on 10/25/2013 10:37:00 AM PDT by Gasshog (Welcome to the United States of Stupidos!)
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To: Responsibility2nd

I don’t know why so many here are raging about sensible rules to keep lakes, rivers, and creeks clean. Our local economy has been severely impacted by our two major rivers being slowly killed by urban,and agricultural runoff, and ACE discharges from Lake Okeechobee. Fishing has in the past been a big business here. When major algae blooms and fish kills start happening because of changes to the water due to the runoff it matters. It is not just a “liberal” cause.

Caring about where you live and the resources that are a source of income for many is not being a Communist. It is caring about stewardship and the responsibility God gave us to care for and respect His creation.


50 posted on 10/25/2013 10:37:09 AM PDT by lastchance ("Nisi credideritis, non intelligetis" St. Augustine)
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