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NSA boss Keith Alexander's next target is the 1st Amendment.
techdirt.com ^ | Fri, Oct 25th 2013 | Mike Masnick

Posted on 10/27/2013 4:41:38 AM PDT by JerseyHighlander

Apparently not satisfied with just setting fire to the 4th Amendment, NSA boss Keith Alexander's next target is the 1st Amendment. In an interview with the Defense Department's "Armed With Science" blog , it appears that Alexander felt he'd have a friendly audience, so he let loose with some insane claims, including suggesting that the government needs to find a way to "stop" journalists from reporting on the Snowden leaks .

As noted by Politco, General Alexander isn't a fan of journalists doing anything about these documents:

"I think it’s wrong that that newspaper reporters have all these documents, the 50,000—whatever they have and are selling them and giving them out as if these—you know it just doesn’t make sense," Alexander said in an interview with the Defense Department's "Armed With Science" blog.



"We ought to come up with a way of stopping it. I don’t know how to do that. That’s more of the courts and the policymakers but, from my perspective, it’s wrong to allow this to go on," the NSA director declared.

It's not the policymakers and the courts. It's the Constitution, and it says there's freedom of the press.



Other parts of the interview continue to show Alexander spewing things that have already been debunked:

“When you look at the 9/11 commission, it faulted the intelligence community for not connecting the dots. We didn’t have the tools . These [programs we have now] are tools that help us connect the dots. We have learned that lesson once. We all vowed this would never happen again. We should commit to that course of action.”

That's not true . The 9/11 commission argued, indeed, that the intelligence service failed to connect the dots, but it wasn't because they lacked the information . It's just that it wasn't properly shared. The way to fix that is not to collect more information and make it even harder to connect the dots. And yet that's been General Alexander's strategy all along.



Elsewhere in the interview, Alexander laughably tries to pretend that US Cyber Command, which he also controls, is focused on protecting "intellectual property." But that's also not true. As has been clearly stated and confirmed, it's focused on offensive attacks , which it does more than any other country (even as the US government tries to scold countries like China and Iran for their online attacks).



And then, I guess he figures that if he's going to lie about, well, everything, why not go all in, and just claim that these programs aren't "spying."

“They aren’t spying programs,” he says directly. “One is called the Business Records FISA Program, or Section 215, and the other is called the FISA Amendment Act 702 or PRISM.”



The business records program, or Section 215, is probably the most misunderstood of the two programs. The metadata program takes information and puts it in a data repository. Metadata is the phone number, the date, time, group, and duration of the call.



“That’s all we have,” Gen. Alexander explains. “We don’t have any names or any content.”

Except that having that metadata is incredibly revealing and absolutely is a form of spying. If it's not, why won't General Alexander release his phone numbers, date, time, group and duration of all of his calls from the past year? Why not? Because he thinks that's private information. Because it is. And because General Alexander is a hypocrite.

“The oversight and compliance on these programs is greater than any other program in our government.”

Hahahahah. No. This is also a lie. It's been shown that the courts and Congress have admitted they're limited by what the NSA tells them -- and the NSA goes out of its way to avoid telling Congress very much.



Alexander also mocks the recent claims about spying on French phone calls, using the exact same dodge as his boss , James Clapper. Both pretend that the news reports said that 70 million calls were recorded . Alexander mocks this by pointing out it would be impossible to have so many calls listened to, and to find enough translators to understand them. But the reports were about mostly metadata, and just some recordings. Pretending that the press said something that it didn't doesn't make Alexander look trustworthy. It makes it look like he's lying.



Not surprisingly, though hilariously, the blogger for the Defense Department's "Armed With Science," Jessica Tozer doesn't appear to challenge any of Alexander's claims. Instead, she repeats all the statements and mocks anyone who might challenge them:

Some people would rather believe a dramatic, convenient lie than a real, uncomplicated truth. Don’t be that person.

I'd argue that right back at Tozer and Alexander, because Alexander is flat out lying in the interview, based on confirmed facts.

Don’t give credence to speculation, rumor, or hyperbole. Simply put, don’t give into the hype. When it comes down it, a nation without the NSA would be a nation left undefended.



And that, dear readers, is no lie.

Um. It's absolutely a challengeable statement, but the Defense Department, obviously, isn't here for reasoned discussion on this issues.



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1 posted on 10/27/2013 4:41:38 AM PDT by JerseyHighlander
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To: JerseyHighlander

No States like free speech. To much information has been the enemy of governments since the dawn of time. Look at the Alien and Sedation act in the US for starters.


2 posted on 10/27/2013 4:44:27 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: JerseyHighlander

I don’t remember a time when the 1st Amendment hasn’t been under attack from the left. The “fairness doctrine” they’re always pining for has one major net effect (which they refuse to admit it has): to silence political speech, especially conservative speech. Nancy Pelosi has said she’d vote for it in a heartbeat. And everyone knows what they think about freedom of religious expression.


3 posted on 10/27/2013 4:51:54 AM PDT by Telepathic Intruder (The only thing the Left has learned from the failures of socialism is not to call it that)
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To: redgolum

Sedation???


4 posted on 10/27/2013 5:05:21 AM PDT by foxfield (Support the Tea Party. The Tea Party supports you.)
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To: JerseyHighlander

This guy needs to be tried, convicted and punished for treason.


5 posted on 10/27/2013 5:09:11 AM PDT by lafarge
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To: lafarge
I fondly hope for many mass firings when we get sanity back in DC.
6 posted on 10/27/2013 5:21:04 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks ("Say Not the Struggle Naught Availeth.")
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To: JerseyHighlander
"I think it’s wrong that that newspaper reporters have all these documents, the 50,000—whatever they have and are selling them and giving them out as if these—you know it just doesn’t make sense," Alexander said in an interview with the Defense Department's "Armed With Science" blog.

The government does not have, nor should it, power to punish media for publishing anything they wish.

However, if it is a crime for me to be in possession of classified documents, it is equally a crime for a reporter to be. The press does not have carte blanche to break laws in pursuit of a story.

7 posted on 10/27/2013 5:21:59 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Telepathic Intruder

“Nancy Pelosi has said she’d vote for it in a heartbeat. “


I for one hope that she and her fellow progressive travelers have very few of those remaining.


8 posted on 10/27/2013 5:44:15 AM PDT by Wurlitzer (Nothing says "ignorance" like Islam! 969)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
I fondly hope for many mass firings when we get sanity back in DC.

When? Hopefully if! The way it is looking now is that the tree of liberty is going to be fed...

9 posted on 10/27/2013 5:47:38 AM PDT by BullDog108 (A Smith & Wesson beats four aces!)
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To: JerseyHighlander
Both pretend that the news reports said that 70 million calls were recorded . Alexander mocks this by pointing out it would be impossible to have so many calls listened to, and to find enough translators to understand them.

Alexander thinks we're stupid. They undoubtedly have voice recognition software that is tuned to look for key words and phrases. You don't have to have people listening. You've got machines now.

10 posted on 10/27/2013 5:51:03 AM PDT by Hardastarboard (You can keep your doctor - if you lock him in your basement.)
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To: Wurlitzer
The fact that they're breathing OUR air is just the last straw.
11 posted on 10/27/2013 5:53:32 AM PDT by Telepathic Intruder (The only thing the Left has learned from the failures of socialism is not to call it that)
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To: Sherman Logan

Good points.


12 posted on 10/27/2013 5:54:21 AM PDT by PghBaldy (12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team scouts photo-op locations.)
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To: Hardastarboard
Alexander thinks we're stupid

With the election and re-election of barrack Obama, the election and re-election of other Democrats and last but not least, the election and re-election of still more Democrats, these posing as Republicans, I would say he has a good case.

13 posted on 10/27/2013 5:55:45 AM PDT by sport
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To: JerseyHighlander

The role of the secret police is to always want more information, more control, more power. Its how its worked throughout history.

The fact we have a military General in charge of this should scare us.


14 posted on 10/27/2013 5:59:07 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: sport

We’re not stupid, we the Conservatives are divided and our power is muted. The leftists have been working on this for generations and are using tax dollars to fund it.


15 posted on 10/27/2013 6:00:16 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: foxfield

Yeah...you remember, back in ‘47? Roswell, NM? Space ship crash? Aliens were sedated and transported to Area 51...:-)


16 posted on 10/27/2013 6:15:29 AM PDT by SgtBob (Freedom is not for the faint of heart. Semper Fi!)
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To: JerseyHighlander
I suspect before the Obama regime is finished, they will try to tear down all the Bill of Rights, the Amendments to the Constitution and the very Constitution itself. Oh, they already ignore the Constitution, so just getting rid of it is not hard work for the dictatorship in D.C. This is what I see this guy as, a dictator. In my life time of service to my country, I never felt the way towards a president that I do this man.

I did not like Jimmy Carter for a minute, but this guy is worse. Carter was basically a little clown. He had nothing to offer to the nation. This guy is a dangerous man. He has set himself up above everyone else and the very founding documents of this Republic. He thinks everything is about him and no one else matters. I could never have served under this president. I would have walked away from a military career because I could not follow this man and what he is doing to my military and the people in it. HE is not telling me that I cannot pray in the name of MY LORD!!! He is not telling me that I cannot share my LORD with anyone else. If he thinks he rules, he is wrong. There is ONLY ONE RULE and HE IS JESUS CHRIST!! Fools such as the dictator in DC do not rule. The are wannabees. But he IS a never be. Only through FORCE can people like him rule.

17 posted on 10/27/2013 6:27:43 AM PDT by RetiredArmy (I am proud to be a Christian and follower of my Lord Jesus Christ. Time is short for U to know Him!)
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To: JerseyHighlander

It was announced about 10 days ago that Alexander and his senior deputy are leaving NSA.


18 posted on 10/27/2013 6:30:07 AM PDT by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: JerseyHighlander; COUNTrecount; Nowhere Man; FightThePower!; C. Edmund Wright; jacob allen; ...
Buckle up everyone, the gloves are coming off.

Today's word is SAMISDAT. Sam•is•dat. Samisdat is today's word.

Nut-job Conspiracy Theory Ping!

To get onto The Nut-job Conspiracy Theory Ping List you must threaten to report me to the Mods if I don't add you to the list...

19 posted on 10/27/2013 6:45:01 AM PDT by null and void (I'm betting on an Obama Trifecta: A Nobel Peace Prize, an Impeachment, AND a War Crimes Trial...)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
I fondly hope for many mass firings when we get sanity back in DC.

I think, thanks to our government's malignant inaction, Iran will be capable firing all of Washington in a single go in a month or so.

Merry Christmas! Ho Ho Ho Ho

20 posted on 10/27/2013 6:49:12 AM PDT by null and void (I'm betting on an Obama Trifecta: A Nobel Peace Prize, an Impeachment, AND a War Crimes Trial...)
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To: JerseyHighlander

Hacked reporter’s computer

Blew up reporter’s LAX Mercedes

BATF raided reporter’s house, stole Air Marshall informant list


21 posted on 10/27/2013 6:51:46 AM PDT by gaijin
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To: JerseyHighlander
The way to fix that is not to collect more information and make it even harder to connect the dots. And yet that's been General Alexander's strategy all along.

Bingo. Prior to the Boston Bombing, the Russians tried to warn our government about the Tsarnaev brothers, but I guess the NSA was busy eavesdropping on Aunt Edna as she gave out her secret banana bread recipe to her niece.

22 posted on 10/27/2013 7:05:18 AM PDT by Flick Lives (The U.S. is dead to me.)
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To: gaijin
Machine gun grenade toting Swat teams raided Gibson Guitars over fingerboards!!! Little flat pieces of wood about 2 feet long.

Tell me again how they wont turn guns against American citizens. Tell it to 80 men women and children at Waco!

23 posted on 10/27/2013 7:05:50 AM PDT by rawcatslyentist (Jeremiah 50:32 "The arrogant one will stumble and fall ; / ?)
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To: Sherman Logan
However, if it is a crime for me to be in possession of classified documents, it is equally a crime for a reporter to be. The press does not have carte blanche to break laws in pursuit of a story.

What if those classified documents show the government has been violating fundamental rights; which is exactly the case with the NSA disclosures? Tyrannical governments use "secret" classifications to hide their actions and then bludgeon anyone who discloses those illegal actions as an enemy of the State.

Allowing this sort of government behavior to continue unchecked is what leads to neighbors being "disappeared" in the middle of the night.

24 posted on 10/27/2013 7:10:54 AM PDT by Flick Lives (The U.S. is dead to me.)
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To: Sherman Logan

Too late. Cat’s out of the bag. Suck it, NSA.


25 posted on 10/27/2013 7:14:59 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: Flick Lives
What if those classified documents show the government has been violating fundamental rights; which is exactly the case with the NSA disclosures? Tyrannical governments use "secret" classifications to hide their actions and then bludgeon anyone who discloses those illegal actions as an enemy of the State.

Exactly. And luckily, the cat is out of the bag. It's too damned late. It's as if this is 1941 and the Hitler Death Camps were exposed. Too bad, so sad.

26 posted on 10/27/2013 7:17:08 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: Flick Lives
What if those classified documents show the government has been violating fundamental rights; which is exactly the case with the NSA disclosures?

You are confusing whether certain actions are desirble with whether they should be legal.

There is no doubt that much information that it would be desirable for the public to have is secured in computers or desk drawers somewhere on public or private property. That doesn't mean reporters have a right to burgle these properties in order to gather the information, or to conspire with others to do the same.

My point is that employment as a journalist does not give a person the right to break laws in order to get a story. They have no right to use force, fraud or any other illegal means, any more than any other citizen.

There is also the fairly obvious fact that people will differ on what information the public "should know."

Many leftists, given the opportunity, would publish the names, addresses and pictures of every American agent around the world. They consider anyone working for our intelligence agencies to by definition be criminals. I believe most conservatives would disagree.

27 posted on 10/27/2013 7:20:55 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: JerseyHighlander

28 posted on 10/27/2013 7:21:19 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: JerseyHighlander

When we reach the tipping point and this nation decends into chaos and if (a big if) we come out on the other side at a better place, these types of evil sub humans will be convicted in Nuremburg style court trails.
No self respecting person can accept the argument that the NSA is protecting the individual for his own good.
The Federal government is the greatest threat the American people have ever faced.


29 posted on 10/27/2013 7:23:22 AM PDT by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est. New US economy: Fascism on top, Socialism on the bottom.)
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To: Sherman Logan

“They consider anyone working for our intelligence agencies to by definition be criminals. I believe most conservatives would disagree.”

I am conservative, and I strenuously, but respectfully, disagree with your statement. It is not that I believe that intelligence agencies or officers are inherently evil, it is that the Federal government itself is, on balance, an evil organization. And at this point, if you work for the Federal government in such a capacity that further the primary goals of this Federal government, that is in its current form, yes, you are working for evil.

That’s not to say that if you work for the post office, you are working for evil anymore than a postal worker working for the Nazi government. I’m referring to those that work to actually increase the power and execute the immoral, unethical, and unconstitutional actions of the evil organization.

Sad to say, but now, the good people in this Federal government are ones working against the Federal government, and thankfully, there still are some brave souls willing to tell the truth no matter what the cost.
The battle is not overseas, the central battle is not even against Muslim extremists (the US gives arms to Al Queda in Libya and Syria), the battle is here in the homeland (I hate that Nazi term); there is a ‘cold war’ between those Americans that love liberty and those running the Federal government that seek to enslave Americans.

The question you must ask yourself is are you with the Federal government in its current form or are you against it? This is a time for choosing, we have crossed the Rubicon and the die is cast. This is not a time for tinkering around the edges, and unfortunately you can’t have it both ways anymore.


30 posted on 10/27/2013 8:01:29 AM PDT by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est. New US economy: Fascism on top, Socialism on the bottom.)
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That's fine and dandy.

So if an American, or someone working for America, has infiltrated the inner circle of alQuaeda and is just about to discover the whereabouts of a nuke being smuggled into the homeland in order to take out NYC, you'd out him and ensure his death by torture and the loss of a major US city because you disagree politically with the current administration

Good for you! I hope those who die and their survivors will appreciate your pov.

I’m referring to those that work to actually increase the power and execute the immoral, unethical, and unconstitutional actions of the evil organization.

And exactly how do you intend to separate the millions of Americans working for the government into these groups?

I strongly disagree with the present government, but I don't think we're (yet) to the point where patriotism requires betrayal of the country, as opposed to the government.

IMO, patriotic Germans during WWII could indeed logically have reached that conclusion. But we ain't there yet. If you think we are, you really ought to be organizing for guerrilla warfare. And possibly you are.

But IMO ratting out those who in good (or for that matter bad) faith come to our defense in the war against Islam and our other enemies because you disagree with those they report to is pretty despicable

31 posted on 10/27/2013 8:09:08 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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32 posted on 10/27/2013 8:29:44 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Welfare is the new euphemism for Eugenics.)
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To: Sherman Logan

“IMO, patriotic Germans during WWII could indeed logically have reached that conclusion.”

If only patriotic Germans had come to that conclusion BEFORE there was a war.


33 posted on 10/27/2013 8:45:17 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: JerseyHighlander

Dear Leader has been campaigning against the First Amendment since he was elected. He views journalists as either his personal minion or a public enemy, and freely admits it.


34 posted on 10/27/2013 8:48:13 AM PDT by Spok ("What're you going to believe-me or your own eyes?" -Marx (Groucho))
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To: redgolum

thus has it ever been


35 posted on 10/27/2013 8:49:01 AM PDT by Nifster
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To: null and void

Big Gov is trying to shut down bloggers and folks like Drudge and other ‘non-traditional’ news reporters. This is a freakin take over like Hugo Chavez and I am not sure we can stop it


36 posted on 10/27/2013 8:52:02 AM PDT by Nifster
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To: Sherman Logan

You do know that the US government is sending arms to Al Qaeda? You do know that in Syria, Al Qaeda is eating out hearts and killing Christians? Assad and Quadaffi are and were no angels, but these tyrants did not pose a direct threat to US security. You are probably aware that the Syrian conflict nearly spun out of control, largely because of the actions of the administration.

This means that the US government itself, especially at its head, is compromised; by giving arms, US government is effectively in the inner circle of Al Qaeda. By agitating for action in Syria and risking a nuclear war, the US government is not only incompetent, but complicit in creating instability.

I know that this is jarring, and it creates cognitive dissonance, but its true.


37 posted on 10/27/2013 8:55:17 AM PDT by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est. New US economy: Fascism on top, Socialism on the bottom.)
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To: JerseyHighlander

We talk about the NSA but another real threat that is used to gather this information is also the NRO, the National Reconnaissance Office. They operate the satellites used to gather electronic communications, space based imagery, and other space based sensor systems used to spy on Americans.


38 posted on 10/27/2013 9:00:20 AM PDT by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off. -786 +969)
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To: Sherman Logan
Many leftists, given the opportunity, would publish the names, addresses and pictures of every American agent around the world. They consider anyone working for our intelligence agencies to by definition be criminals.

Yep.

From the thread titled "Poison Photo-Drop (Releasing photos endangers US lives)"

To: Bobkk47

Before he is done I fully expect him [obama] to release the names addresses and phone numbers of anyone anywhere in the world who has ever provided any information to agency workers.

The damage to US intel will last multiple generations.

7 posted on 05/12/2009 9:32:33 AM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 113 of our national holiday from reality.)

39 posted on 10/27/2013 9:08:15 AM PDT by null and void (I'm betting on an Obama Trifecta: A Nobel Peace Prize, an Impeachment, AND a War Crimes Trial...)
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To: lafarge

Under this corrupt, criminal regime, which has 3+ years to go, his ranks are growing.


40 posted on 10/27/2013 9:09:37 AM PDT by carriage_hill (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history, when everybody stands around reloading.)
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To: Nifster

Shut down or flat-out murder.


41 posted on 10/27/2013 9:13:05 AM PDT by null and void (I'm betting on an Obama Trifecta: A Nobel Peace Prize, an Impeachment, AND a War Crimes Trial...)
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To: Sherman Logan; grumpygresh

I think you vastly mis-read what grumpygresh actually said.


42 posted on 10/27/2013 9:14:08 AM PDT by null and void (I'm betting on an Obama Trifecta: A Nobel Peace Prize, an Impeachment, AND a War Crimes Trial...)
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To: null and void

Firings?

I’m holding out for firing squads.


43 posted on 10/27/2013 9:22:49 AM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com/2013/10/04/nicolae-hussein-obama/)
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To: Black Agnes

Individual patriotic Germans probably did. But by that point their decisions was irrelevant.


44 posted on 10/27/2013 9:23:34 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Spok

Since before he was elected, actually. He tried to use police(!) against any broadcaster critical of him, and I think he actually managed to do so.


45 posted on 10/27/2013 9:26:15 AM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com/2013/10/04/nicolae-hussein-obama/)
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To: Hardraade

Iranian fire.

Can’t you see that flash of fire
10 times brighter than the day
And behold a mighty city
Broken in the dust again


46 posted on 10/27/2013 9:33:32 AM PDT by null and void (I'm betting on an Obama Trifecta: A Nobel Peace Prize, an Impeachment, AND a War Crimes Trial...)
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To: Sherman Logan

Hence our point about dissent.

Individual Americans ARE dissenting right now.

Shall we wait till it’s too late like the Germans did?


47 posted on 10/27/2013 10:03:14 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: null and void
I think, thanks to our government's malignant inaction, Iran will be capable firing all of Washington in a single go in a month or so.

The only thing that bothers me about that, is that it's really our job, not theirs.

48 posted on 10/27/2013 10:08:47 AM PDT by zeugma (Is it evil of me to teach my bird to say "here kitty, kitty"?)
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To: zeugma

Yes. Overthrowing Hitler was Germany’s job.


49 posted on 10/27/2013 10:12:58 AM PDT by null and void (I'm betting on an Obama Trifecta: A Nobel Peace Prize, an Impeachment, AND a War Crimes Trial...)
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To: Travis McGee

50 posted on 10/27/2013 10:13:10 AM PDT by zeugma (Is it evil of me to teach my bird to say "here kitty, kitty"?)
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