Skip to comments.Sunday Morning Talk Show Thread 27 October 2013
Posted on 10/27/2013 5:11:57 AM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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Exacta mundo here are the increases
No one knows how many Americans will be without health insurance in 2014. A 2012 estimate by the Congressional Budget Office estimated that about 30 million Americans will not have insurance in 2016, and roughly 6 million of them will face penalties. The penalties for individuals are expected to increase each year, and the uninsured will have to pay either a fee or percent of household income (whichever is greater).
In 2014, the fee is $95 per adult or 1 percent of household income.
In 2015, the fee is $325 per adult or 2 percent of household income.
In 2016, the fee is $695 per adult or 2.5 percent of household income.
So the fine is a bargain no matter what! The regime will have to bring the fine up to three or four thousand per year and then try and collect from tax refunds unless they want to sequester one’s paycheck! That should be real winner! Many will just pay fines forever since they can sing up anyway if they get sick.
YOU GO GIRL!!!!
You will not be stopped now!!
Dogs bark! My Zevi says “Woof! Woof!! ( that’s thank you in Canine for standing up for the freedom of the pupsters to be who they are).
Good Lord, these people don’t have any real problems...a sick child, financial fears from unemployment, PTSD from combat....Give me a break!
BTW, no doubt YOU got the coverage because of your charm! hee. hee.
Yeah good luck with that! We all know how that will work. Problem is if they don’t OK Yellen zero/Jarrett will nominate someone worse.
Yeah it became rather obvious that santo will say anything according to whatever audience he is in front of. In other words front running phony.
Ducy is a great reporter..His Dad must be very rpoud of him!
I must commend him today. He's grilling the supporters of the rollout, including the KY governor Beshear who's had a large response. Gregory notes "most were Medicaid". Gov. Kasich follows with some truth. Gregory seems to get it.
Well done Pat.
Nice picture of your planning strategy with your campaign chair... :):)
Yeah all those collections will degenerate into underground economies which is what zero is creating anyway.
You’re lookin’ good! Congratulations on your media blitz.
(looks like the dog could stand to lose a little weight though)
He gets it all right. All this does is give him something to fall back on later when he’s all dem all the time. Which will continue the closer we get to the 2014 elections. Its all about getting more commies elected and not losing his yob. He knows exactly what he is doing.
Just another big spending SoCon who measures compassion by the amount of other people’s money that can be thrown at a problem.
Notice how the pols and Admin never mention the ‘percent’ fine — they only mention the $95 fine.
And the media in most cases reinforces that mirage....
Gregory is actually asking ‘traditional’ journalistic questions of the BCBS guy. This spokesman for BC is in the Obama camp full bore, and illustrates the crony capitalism of the insurance industry.
This guy is as slick as Terri McAuliffe in his use of newspeak. Wow!
== Floridians’ insurance will be better and cheaper for a lot of customers.==
==a period of transition== while we teach them how much better off they will be under Obamacare==
Basically, when you boil it all down this is little more than Cloward/Piven out in the open(destruction of the welfare system by overloading it) glaring its ugly head at anyone who actually works for a living.
It's Cloward Piven driven by the regime saying try and stop me if you can.
It's not a fine, it's a tax. Bribee Justice Roberts said so. If we had a true opposition party that was in control of the House, they could simply cut the "tax" to zero as the House is the one who generates all bills of revenue.
The fact that they don't simply lower or cut this tax is telling. Not the mandate itself, just the tax.
What that lying assholll blue crossed freak was actually saying is that it’s only cheaper if you are on medicaid or have a regime friend of obama subsidy. Everyone else better bend over and lube up.
A delay won’t get those people their jobs back. No company is going to rehire for a year then reconfigure their workforce all over again.
At a minimum, all mandates have to go. If Obamacare is going to be so great, why do they have to force people to use it?
Great post,no guts always loses.
You nailed it. Businesses have found a way to achieve profitability under a new business model and it won’t be shifting anytime soon.
We watched the rollout of the Billion dollar website which was outsourced to Canada since the owner was a Friend of Michelle, leading to a corrupt disaster. When you have millions of unemployed programmers in America who have lost their jobs thanks to outsourcing, you have to grease the wheels of one of your cronys? How much of that grease came back to Michelle? We know she took some from her years at University Hospital, so how much of this Billion plus did she get? There are literally thousands of companies here who do these websites every day and they prove that even with the simplest of tasks the gummit is an inefficient sloth inhabited by some of the most ignorant people in the country. Imagine using this website to get permission for your childs heart and lung transplant and you have the nightmare coming your way. Welcome to the new America; comrade.
If DeathCare is so great, why isn’t the Congress or Obama on it?
The majority of these "success" stories are going into Medicaid. The taxpayer's bill will increase.
That interview was like experiencing a shift in polarity, or the sun rising in the west.
What was I thinking? The ‘businessman’ is just looking to be a conduit of money from the government to his company. BCBS might as well be considered a public utility now.
Still, we haven't seen the media as whole dump on Obie like this in his 5 years, so we've got our nose under the tent finally. Given the disaster that is looming in the reality of ObieCare, we will knock the tent over, no matter how much the media tries to ignore it.
Voters will be receiving bills for healthcare coverage every month, after month, after month....and it won't be for their old plan, and it won't be cheaper, it won't be better. TP 2010 redux x2
I agree, Yellen will be confirmed.
The point is to set the record straight on how raising taxes on the rich is growth inverse, how Democrat so called tax cuts, which were really tax credits, are ineffective, and how more regulations have hurt economic growth.
Cash for clunker moved sales ahead, the next quarter was effected. Think of all the money spent of Freddie and Fannie mortgages, student loans. There a lot here to go after.
And make the media report how Democrats ‘Job’s bills’ Pelosi brags about, never worked.
Rubio was back — claiming he was opposed to Comprehensive Immigration. [To get elected in politics, one must be a shapeshifter, it seems.] Now, he can claim he has been on all sides of the immigration issue.
I ain’t crucifying Rubio in any case. He’s been with us more times than not. The time for being a purist is over. The situation is just too desperate at this point. I’m ready to plant the anti-Obamacare flag and sing Kumbaya with anyone who rallies around it.
Cause I’m sick of laws, we don’t need no more laws, I want to pass a law that legislators can make NO MORE LAWS!
We are already bound and gagged....well that’s what I said in front of the Sussex county council, sick of laws...
Another good point, why did Robert have to write into the bill that it is a tax, when the IRS does collect penalties too?
The question is can you depend on a bankrupt federal government to keep its promises and what happens when the states must pick up the 10% three years from now? The states already pay 50% of the existing Medicaid costs. It is becoming the largest line item in their budgets along with education.
I disagree, our healthcare system was in need of reform and has not worked well for years. All due to prior government controls and interference. Mandated coverage, limiting who can sell within a state, the lack of tort reform and expanded government reporting requirements all drove up costs and lowered care over time. Otherwise, you're right.
Solutions to replace 0bamacare will be like putting toothpaste back in the tube. It's going to be difficult if not impossible. One item that will be required is to have an exit strategy for those people who did buy 0bamacare, getting them onto real insurance plans and off government care. One possible solution will be to block grant states who are saddled with Medicaid and let them handle it for the short run.
I’d heard Kasich was wobbly....didn’t know specifics.
He was temporarily under the spell of Schumer's hypnotic vampire eyes. When the sun rose, Schumer was forced to return to the crypt and the spell over Rubio was broken.
I guess if CBS had Marlo Thomas it would be a trifecta.
Exactly it was an obama love-in. This guy knows he only exists because he is an FOA(friend of allah).Absent that his policy/company would be declared bad for zero care. Its all
BS crony capitalism at its worst hour.
Patrick J. Geraghty, chairman and CEO, Blue Cross and Blue Shield of Florida, sounded like a typical Obama shill. This crony capitalism is truly frightening.
Most people seem to think that the insurance industry will be destroyed eventually by Obamacare and we will go into a single payer system--the objective all along.
I have no doubt that we are headed to a single payer system for everyone. We already have single payer for Medicaid (70 million people including those under the CHIPs program) and Medicare (47 million). Obamacare was projected to add 18 million more to Medicaid and with 10,000 people turning 65 every day for the next 20 years, Medicare numbers will double. Obamacare is the last piece of single payer health care.
But the private insurance companies will not be going away. 9 out of every 10 Medicare recipients have supplemental insurance. I can see people getting supplemental insurance to add to their Obamacare insurance. We will have a two tier system, a public and private one similar to what they have in Europe and every other country where they have single payer systems except for Canada and North Korea.
Obamacare is just another entitlement program that will add to the more than $70 trillion in unfunded liabilities. It will cost the taxpayers much more than projected. And it will give the government more control over our lives and the economy.
The Dems will not let Obamacare collapse nor will business, which wants to get decoupled from health care. Obama gave illegally big business a year's delay in paying the fines. The employer mandate could be delayed even further and the Reps will support it.
Reporting requirements alone should scare people. I can also envision patients being told they have not filled out the forms properly. Like are you registered to vote? Or what is your sexual preference? All could delay surgery.
Now millions will be kicked off their plans they would have never been kicked off with uninsurability leaving one solution, bigger gummit.
Is Santorum so deluded as to think he stands a chance in the primaries against Ted Cruz?
True just don't get used to it.
Once we get anywhere at all near the 2014 elections you will hear a completely different slant from the DBM and we all know it.
A month form now we will all be talking about what a bad guy John Boehner is for not taking up amnesty.
They know elections are won basically on the emotions of the moment--that one phrase uttered by someone with a great radio voice and never on hard facts that take more than a fifth grade education to understand.We need to learn it as well.
The press loves a Republican willing to trash other Republicans. It's a turn-on for them. It's why they love McCain.
The same press hates Democrats who bash other dems. It's why there's NEVER a dem 'mavericks' on Sunday mornings. Not with with Chris Wallace - not with any of 'em. There's not even an identified dem 'maverick'. The press weed's 'em out on the dem side and waters and nourishes them on the our side.
This morning Wallace quoted a comment to Gov. Bobby Jindal about how he had once trashed Republicans ( years ago... whenever) but Wallace wanted to get this 'badge of honor' on record one more time. Wallace has NEVER done that with a democrat. NEVER.
You can make all the excuses you want for Rubio, Ryan, Cantor, McCain, Graham, etc. Rubio showed his true colors on comprehensive immigration reform. He wants to run for President in 2016 and he needs the money from big donors to do that. These big donors want more guest workers to help their bottom line.
When Rubio partners with Schumer, Durban, McCain, and Graham, you have to question his judgment at the very least. I am not about to give Rubio a pass for helping to pass a bill that will destroy this country with the stroke of a pen.
CIR is a far greater threat to this country than Obamacare, which is already the law of the land. It will not be repealed, but it may be fixed and the Reps will help do that.
What can not be spun is his joining in the gang of eight. These guys are just not conservatives. They are rinos all. Hard to spin that any way you look at it.
July 22, 2011
Pelosi Statement on the 200th Day of the GOP Majority
‘Tomorrow is the 200th day of the Republican majority, and the American people are asking: where is the Republican jobs plan?...
...It’s time for Republicans to join Democrats to focus on Americans’ top priority - jobs - while responsibly reducing the deficit, strengthening the middle class, protecting our seniors and growing our economy.’
"When you got nothing, you got nothing to lose."_Dylan