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Sunday Morning Talk Show Thread 27 October 2013
Various driveby media television networks ^ | 27 October 2013 | Various Self-Serving Politicians and Big Media Screaming Faces

Posted on 10/27/2013 5:11:57 AM PDT by Alas Babylon!

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To: TomGuy

Exacta mundo here are the increases
No one knows how many Americans will be without health insurance in 2014. A 2012 estimate by the Congressional Budget Office estimated that about 30 million Americans will not have insurance in 2016, and roughly 6 million of them will face penalties. The penalties for individuals are expected to increase each year, and the uninsured will have to pay either a fee or percent of household income (whichever is greater).

In 2014, the fee is $95 per adult or 1 percent of household income.

In 2015, the fee is $325 per adult or 2 percent of household income.

In 2016, the fee is $695 per adult or 2.5 percent of household income.

So the fine is a bargain no matter what! The regime will have to bring the fine up to three or four thousand per year and then try and collect from tax refunds unless they want to sequester one’s paycheck! That should be real winner! Many will just pay fines forever since they can sing up anyway if they get sick.


51 posted on 10/27/2013 6:59:45 AM PDT by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin our secret weapon)
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To: Fishtalk

YOU GO GIRL!!!!

You will not be stopped now!!

Dogs bark! My Zevi says “Woof! Woof!! ( that’s thank you in Canine for standing up for the freedom of the pupsters to be who they are).

Good Lord, these people don’t have any real problems...a sick child, financial fears from unemployment, PTSD from combat....Give me a break!

BTW, no doubt YOU got the coverage because of your charm! hee. hee.


52 posted on 10/27/2013 7:00:06 AM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie
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To: Son House

Yeah good luck with that! We all know how that will work. Problem is if they don’t OK Yellen zero/Jarrett will nominate someone worse.


53 posted on 10/27/2013 7:02:33 AM PDT by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin our secret weapon)
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To: Happy Rain

Yeah it became rather obvious that santo will say anything according to whatever audience he is in front of. In other words front running phony.


54 posted on 10/27/2013 7:04:24 AM PDT by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin our secret weapon)
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To: TomGuy

Ducy is a great reporter..His Dad must be very rpoud of him!


55 posted on 10/27/2013 7:05:05 AM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie
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To: rodguy911
and then try and collect from tax refunds

That is one of those 'we gotta pass it to find out what is in it' gotchas.

The current law apparently says collection will ONLY come from tax refunds. You can bet Congress will slip an amendent in some new monstrosity omni-bill to adjust that provision.
56 posted on 10/27/2013 7:06:32 AM PDT by TomGuy (.)
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To: chiller
RE: MTP Gregory.

I must commend him today. He's grilling the supporters of the rollout, including the KY governor Beshear who's had a large response. Gregory notes "most were Medicaid". Gov. Kasich follows with some truth. Gregory seems to get it.

57 posted on 10/27/2013 7:07:49 AM PDT by chiller (NBCNews et al is in the tank and should be embarrassed)
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To: All
Since we are over a year away from any election DNC Dave,fat Chris and a few others are all being fair and balanced for a few weeks until a big issue comes along. Then they will revert back to their old ways of all commie all the time. For now enjoy who DNC Dave really should be since it won't last.
58 posted on 10/27/2013 7:08:05 AM PDT by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin our secret weapon)
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To: Fishtalk

Well done Pat.

Nice picture of your planning strategy with your campaign chair... :):)


59 posted on 10/27/2013 7:08:39 AM PDT by patriotspride
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To: TomGuy

Yeah all those collections will degenerate into underground economies which is what zero is creating anyway.


60 posted on 10/27/2013 7:09:45 AM PDT by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin our secret weapon)
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To: Fishtalk

Hey!

You’re lookin’ good! Congratulations on your media blitz.

(looks like the dog could stand to lose a little weight though)


61 posted on 10/27/2013 7:10:57 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER ("The government" is nothing but a RAT jobs program)
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To: chiller

He gets it all right. All this does is give him something to fall back on later when he’s all dem all the time. Which will continue the closer we get to the 2014 elections. Its all about getting more commies elected and not losing his yob. He knows exactly what he is doing.


62 posted on 10/27/2013 7:12:05 AM PDT by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin our secret weapon)
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To: Happy Rain

Just another big spending SoCon who measures compassion by the amount of other people’s money that can be thrown at a problem.


63 posted on 10/27/2013 7:12:15 AM PDT by gov_bean_ counter (Romans 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools)
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To: TomGuy

Notice how the pols and Admin never mention the ‘percent’ fine — they only mention the $95 fine.


And the media in most cases reinforces that mirage....


64 posted on 10/27/2013 7:12:20 AM PDT by patriotspride
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To: chiller

Gregory is actually asking ‘traditional’ journalistic questions of the BCBS guy. This spokesman for BC is in the Obama camp full bore, and illustrates the crony capitalism of the insurance industry.

This guy is as slick as Terri McAuliffe in his use of newspeak. Wow!

== Floridians’ insurance will be better and cheaper for a lot of customers.==

==a period of transition== while we teach them how much better off they will be under Obamacare==


65 posted on 10/27/2013 7:18:06 AM PDT by maica (We are seeing an interesting mixture of malice and incompetence at healthcare.gov)
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To: All
Obamcare is all about subsidies to anyone who is an FOA(friend of Allah)in that case their insurance goes down! Otherwise if you don't like paying more for less health-care just sign up for Medicaid!! Why not! No one is checking and the govt. made sure everyone knows that no one is checking.

Basically, when you boil it all down this is little more than Cloward/Piven out in the open(destruction of the welfare system by overloading it) glaring its ugly head at anyone who actually works for a living.

It's Cloward Piven driven by the regime saying try and stop me if you can.

66 posted on 10/27/2013 7:19:40 AM PDT by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin our secret weapon)
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To: TomGuy
The fine increases

It's not a fine, it's a tax. Bribee Justice Roberts said so. If we had a true opposition party that was in control of the House, they could simply cut the "tax" to zero as the House is the one who generates all bills of revenue.

The fact that they don't simply lower or cut this tax is telling. Not the mandate itself, just the tax.

67 posted on 10/27/2013 7:20:25 AM PDT by Sirius Lee (All that is required for evil to advance is for government to do "something")
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To: maica

What that lying assholll blue crossed freak was actually saying is that it’s only cheaper if you are on medicaid or have a regime friend of obama subsidy. Everyone else better bend over and lube up.


68 posted on 10/27/2013 7:22:41 AM PDT by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin our secret weapon)
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To: TomGuy

A delay won’t get those people their jobs back. No company is going to rehire for a year then reconfigure their workforce all over again.

At a minimum, all mandates have to go. If Obamacare is going to be so great, why do they have to force people to use it?


69 posted on 10/27/2013 7:23:09 AM PDT by Kenny (<p>)
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To: Sirius Lee

Great post,no guts always loses.


70 posted on 10/27/2013 7:25:05 AM PDT by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin our secret weapon)
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To: Kenny

You nailed it. Businesses have found a way to achieve profitability under a new business model and it won’t be shifting anytime soon.


71 posted on 10/27/2013 7:25:08 AM PDT by gov_bean_ counter (Romans 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools)
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To: bray

We watched the rollout of the Billion dollar website which was outsourced to Canada since the owner was a Friend of Michelle, leading to a corrupt disaster. When you have millions of unemployed programmers in America who have lost their jobs thanks to outsourcing, you have to grease the wheels of one of your crony’s? How much of that grease came back to Michelle? We know she took some from her years at University Hospital, so how much of this Billion plus did she get? There are literally thousands of companies here who do these websites every day and they prove that even with the simplest of tasks the gummit is an inefficient sloth inhabited by some of the most ignorant people in the country. Imagine using this website to get permission for your child’s heart and lung transplant and you have the nightmare coming your way. Welcome to the new America; comrade.


Great stuff, bray. The website IS the death panel.


72 posted on 10/27/2013 7:27:54 AM PDT by PaleoBob
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To: Kenny

If DeathCare is so great, why isn’t the Congress or Obama on it?


73 posted on 10/27/2013 7:27:55 AM PDT by bray (Coming Jan 2014: The Republic of Texas 2022)
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To: bray
For every Andrew Stryker there are probably two people who will be paying more. The fact that the Dems have to resort to these anecdotal examples show how bankrupt they are. Let's have the real numbers on enrollment. The data are available.

The majority of these "success" stories are going into Medicaid. The taxpayer's bill will increase.

74 posted on 10/27/2013 7:28:13 AM PDT by kabar
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To: rodguy911

That interview was like experiencing a shift in polarity, or the sun rising in the west.

What was I thinking? The ‘businessman’ is just looking to be a conduit of money from the government to his company. BCBS might as well be considered a public utility now.


75 posted on 10/27/2013 7:30:47 AM PDT by maica (We are seeing an interesting mixture of malice and incompetence at healthcare.gov)
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To: rodguy911
The tendency in media will be to declare All is Well once the website reaches some degree of workability. The real problems are worse and have little to do with a website. For now, Gregory sees it, but as you know, he works for NBC.

Still, we haven't seen the media as whole dump on Obie like this in his 5 years, so we've got our nose under the tent finally. Given the disaster that is looming in the reality of ObieCare, we will knock the tent over, no matter how much the media tries to ignore it.

Voters will be receiving bills for healthcare coverage every month, after month, after month....and it won't be for their old plan, and it won't be cheaper, it won't be better. TP 2010 redux x2

76 posted on 10/27/2013 7:32:09 AM PDT by chiller (NBCNews et al is in the tank and should be embarrassed)
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To: rodguy911

I agree, Yellen will be confirmed.

The point is to set the record straight on how raising taxes on the rich is growth inverse, how Democrat so called tax cuts, which were really tax credits, are ineffective, and how more regulations have hurt economic growth.

Cash for clunker moved sales ahead, the next quarter was effected. Think of all the money spent of Freddie and Fannie mortgages, student loans. There a lot here to go after.


77 posted on 10/27/2013 7:32:34 AM PDT by Son House (Democrats want you to use 'Great Recession' instead of 'Jobless Recovery', recession ended June 2009)
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To: rodguy911

And make the media report how Democrats ‘Job’s bills’ Pelosi brags about, never worked.


78 posted on 10/27/2013 7:37:15 AM PDT by Son House (Democrats want you to use 'Great Recession' instead of 'Jobless Recovery', recession ended June 2009)
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To: TomGuy

Rubio was back — claiming he was opposed to Comprehensive Immigration. [To get elected in politics, one must be a shapeshifter, it seems.] Now, he can claim he has been on all sides of the immigration issue.


Not that it matters but I ALWAYS believed Rubio opposed it—I just couldn’t figure out why he was advocating something he opposed. I’m gonna chalk it up to youth and maybe some bad advice.

I ain’t crucifying Rubio in any case. He’s been with us more times than not. The time for being a purist is over. The situation is just too desperate at this point. I’m ready to plant the anti-Obamacare flag and sing Kumbaya with anyone who rallies around it.


79 posted on 10/27/2013 7:37:40 AM PDT by PaleoBob
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To: Alas Babylon!
Gov. Beshear, is a very slimy toadie of O'Butplug's...
thank you, for the ping.

80 posted on 10/27/2013 7:40:56 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass (who'll take tomorrow,$pend it all today;who can take your income & tax it all away..0'Blowfly can :-)
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To: Fishtalk

Cause I’m sick of laws, we don’t need no more laws, I want to pass a law that legislators can make NO MORE LAWS!

We are already bound and gagged....well that’s what I said in front of the Sussex county council, sick of laws...


LOL! Great rant. Fishtalk for prez!


81 posted on 10/27/2013 7:41:59 AM PDT by PaleoBob
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To: Sirius Lee

Another good point, why did Robert have to write into the bill that it is a tax, when the IRS does collect penalties too?


82 posted on 10/27/2013 7:44:35 AM PDT by Son House (Democrats want you to use 'Great Recession' instead of 'Jobless Recovery', recession ended June 2009)
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To: chiller
Kasich is a sellout. He has expanded Medicaid under Obamacare to get the money even though his own legislature was against it. Obamacare will pay 100% of the additional costs of an expanded Medicaid for the first three years and then 90% thereafter.

The question is can you depend on a bankrupt federal government to keep its promises and what happens when the states must pick up the 10% three years from now? The states already pay 50% of the existing Medicaid costs. It is becoming the largest line item in their budgets along with education.

83 posted on 10/27/2013 7:46:31 AM PDT by kabar
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To: bray
One of their most hated industries was Insurance which they deemed as unfair when a corrupt gummit can give it to you for free, so here we are more overpriced and underperforming bureaucracy to replace a perfectly well functioning free market system.

I disagree, our healthcare system was in need of reform and has not worked well for years. All due to prior government controls and interference. Mandated coverage, limiting who can sell within a state, the lack of tort reform and expanded government reporting requirements all drove up costs and lowered care over time. Otherwise, you're right.

Solutions to replace 0bamacare will be like putting toothpaste back in the tube. It's going to be difficult if not impossible. One item that will be required is to have an exit strategy for those people who did buy 0bamacare, getting them onto real insurance plans and off government care. One possible solution will be to block grant states who are saddled with Medicaid and let them handle it for the short run.

84 posted on 10/27/2013 7:48:26 AM PDT by Morgan in Denver (Democrats: The party of unintended consequences.)
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To: Fishtalk
glad to hear about the barking laws.
I agree no need to muzzle the dog's.
..only the Washington DC /State Establishment-type ones.

85 posted on 10/27/2013 7:53:15 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass (who'll take tomorrow,$pend it all today;who can take your income & tax it all away..0'Blowfly can :-)
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To: kabar

I’d heard Kasich was wobbly....didn’t know specifics.


86 posted on 10/27/2013 7:54:12 AM PDT by chiller (NBCNews et al is in the tank and should be embarrassed)
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To: PaleoBob
Not that it matters but I ALWAYS believed Rubio opposed it—I just couldn’t figure out why he was advocating something he opposed.

He was temporarily under the spell of Schumer's hypnotic vampire eyes. When the sun rose, Schumer was forced to return to the crypt and the spell over Rubio was broken.

87 posted on 10/27/2013 7:59:49 AM PDT by PJ-Comix
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To: Alas Babylon!

I guess if CBS had Marlo Thomas it would be a trifecta.


88 posted on 10/27/2013 8:04:09 AM PDT by PghBaldy (12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team scouts photo-op locations.)
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To: maica

Exactly it was an obama love-in. This guy knows he only exists because he is an FOA(friend of allah).Absent that his policy/company would be declared bad for zero care. Its all
BS crony capitalism at its worst hour.


89 posted on 10/27/2013 8:05:57 AM PDT by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin our secret weapon)
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To: maica
The insurance companies are accomplices in Obamcare. They expect the government to provide them with millions of new customers who will be forced into buying their product.

Patrick J. Geraghty, chairman and CEO, Blue Cross and Blue Shield of Florida, sounded like a typical Obama shill. This crony capitalism is truly frightening.

Most people seem to think that the insurance industry will be destroyed eventually by Obamacare and we will go into a single payer system--the objective all along.

I have no doubt that we are headed to a single payer system for everyone. We already have single payer for Medicaid (70 million people including those under the CHIPs program) and Medicare (47 million). Obamacare was projected to add 18 million more to Medicaid and with 10,000 people turning 65 every day for the next 20 years, Medicare numbers will double. Obamacare is the last piece of single payer health care.

But the private insurance companies will not be going away. 9 out of every 10 Medicare recipients have supplemental insurance. I can see people getting supplemental insurance to add to their Obamacare insurance. We will have a two tier system, a public and private one similar to what they have in Europe and every other country where they have single payer systems except for Canada and North Korea.

Obamacare is just another entitlement program that will add to the more than $70 trillion in unfunded liabilities. It will cost the taxpayers much more than projected. And it will give the government more control over our lives and the economy.

The Dems will not let Obamacare collapse nor will business, which wants to get decoupled from health care. Obama gave illegally big business a year's delay in paying the fines. The employer mandate could be delayed even further and the Reps will support it.

90 posted on 10/27/2013 8:07:30 AM PDT by kabar
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To: TomGuy

Reporting requirements alone should scare people. I can also envision patients being told they have not filled out the forms properly. Like are you registered to vote? Or what is your sexual preference? All could delay surgery.


91 posted on 10/27/2013 8:08:37 AM PDT by Morgan in Denver (Democrats: The party of unintended consequences.)
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To: Morgan in Denver
That is their MO. They regulate it to the point of making all of their services overpriced and then they ride in to save the day with their Marxist solutions.

Now millions will be kicked off their plans they would have never been kicked off with uninsurability leaving one solution, bigger gummit.

92 posted on 10/27/2013 8:08:57 AM PDT by bray (Coming Jan 2014: The Republic of Texas 2022)
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To: Happy Rain

Is Santorum so deluded as to think he stands a chance in the primaries against Ted Cruz?


93 posted on 10/27/2013 8:09:25 AM PDT by PJ-Comix
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To: chiller
Still, we haven't seen the media as whole dump on Obie like this in his 5 years, so we've got our nose under the tent finally. Given the disaster that is looming in the reality of ObieCare, we will knock the tent over, no matter how much the media tries to ignore it.

True just don't get used to it.

Once we get anywhere at all near the 2014 elections you will hear a completely different slant from the DBM and we all know it.

A month form now we will all be talking about what a bad guy John Boehner is for not taking up amnesty.

94 posted on 10/27/2013 8:11:31 AM PDT by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin our secret weapon)
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To: Son House
the commie dems are as slick as they come.

They know elections are won basically on the emotions of the moment--that one phrase uttered by someone with a great radio voice and never on hard facts that take more than a fifth grade education to understand.We need to learn it as well.

95 posted on 10/27/2013 8:14:17 AM PDT by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin our secret weapon)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
Senator McCain must be resting his chin this weekend...

The press loves a Republican willing to trash other Republicans. It's a turn-on for them. It's why they love McCain.

The same press hates Democrats who bash other dems. It's why there's NEVER a dem 'mavericks' on Sunday mornings. Not with with Chris Wallace - not with any of 'em. There's not even an identified dem 'maverick'. The press weed's 'em out on the dem side and waters and nourishes them on the our side.

This morning Wallace quoted a comment to Gov. Bobby Jindal about how he had once trashed Republicans ( years ago... whenever) but Wallace wanted to get this 'badge of honor' on record one more time. Wallace has NEVER done that with a democrat. NEVER.

96 posted on 10/27/2013 8:15:06 AM PDT by GOPJ ( We've grown to trust MSM hatred. When the MSM hates one of us it's an endorsement.)
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To: PaleoBob
Not that it matters but I ALWAYS believed Rubio opposed it—I just couldn’t figure out why he was advocating something he opposed. I’m gonna chalk it up to youth and maybe some bad advice.

You can make all the excuses you want for Rubio, Ryan, Cantor, McCain, Graham, etc. Rubio showed his true colors on comprehensive immigration reform. He wants to run for President in 2016 and he needs the money from big donors to do that. These big donors want more guest workers to help their bottom line.

When Rubio partners with Schumer, Durban, McCain, and Graham, you have to question his judgment at the very least. I am not about to give Rubio a pass for helping to pass a bill that will destroy this country with the stroke of a pen.

CIR is a far greater threat to this country than Obamacare, which is already the law of the land. It will not be repealed, but it may be fixed and the Reps will help do that.

97 posted on 10/27/2013 8:16:48 AM PDT by kabar
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To: PaleoBob
I was an early supporter or Rubio. Met him in person, listened to him speak,looking at a photo of us right now. I was more than sold. I was true believer. You can spin his take on secure the border first and maybe make a case.

What can not be spun is his joining in the gang of eight. These guys are just not conservatives. They are rinos all. Hard to spin that any way you look at it.

98 posted on 10/27/2013 8:19:21 AM PDT by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin our secret weapon)
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To: Son House

July 22, 2011
Pelosi Statement on the 200th Day of the GOP Majority
http://www.democraticleader.gov/news/press/pelosi-statement-200th-day-gop-majority

‘Tomorrow is the 200th day of the Republican majority, and the American people are asking: where is the Republican jobs plan?...

...It’s time for Republicans to join Democrats to focus on Americans’ top priority - jobs - while responsibly reducing the deficit, strengthening the middle class, protecting our seniors and growing our economy.’


99 posted on 10/27/2013 8:20:00 AM PDT by Son House (Democrats want you to use 'Great Recession' instead of 'Jobless Recovery', recession ended June 2009)
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To: From The Deer Stand
I think Juan is losing it.

"When you got nothing, you got nothing to lose."_Dylan

100 posted on 10/27/2013 8:21:20 AM PDT by going hot (Happiness is a momma deuce)
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