Skip to comments.The Big Kludge
Posted on 10/27/2013 8:54:51 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer
The good news about HealthCare.gov is that the administration is no longer minimizing its problems. Thats the first step toward fixing the mess.
But while we wait for the geeks to do their stuff, lets ask a related question: Why did this thing have to be so complicated in the first place?
The fact remains that Obamacare is an immense kludge a clumsy, ugly structure that more or less deals with a problem, but in an inefficient way.
Imagine, now, a much simpler system in which the government just pays your major medical expenses. In this hypothetical system you wouldnt have to shop for insurance, nor would you have to provide lots of personal details. The government would be your insurer, and youd be covered automatically by virtue of being an American.
In saying this I dont mean to excuse the officials and contractors who made such a mess of health reforms first month. Nor, on the other side, am I suggesting that health reform should have waited until the political system was ready for single-payer. For now, the priority is to get this kludge working, and once thats done, America will become a better place.
In the longer run, however, we have to tackle that ideology. A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesnt have to be that way.
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F your single payer Commie Klubman.
How much simpler it would be if the US just became the USSR.
And how much more ethical the world would be if the Krugmans just hanged themselves.
“Imagine, now, a much simpler system in which Paul Klugman pays my medical expenses. In this hypothetical system I would get the care I am entitled to . . . .”
A world where 47% of the people get to pay for the healthcare of 100% of the people.
It really galls liberals that a lot of us want limited, constitutional government.
The only way these asshats can win an arguement is to first misrepresent the Conservative position. We don't believe government is ALWAYS bad. . .we believe that If men were angels, no government would be necessary. If angels were to govern men, neither external nor internal controls on government would be necessary. . . .so men are not angels. . thus we need CONSTITUTIONAL (limited) government, Mr. Klugman!!!
The amazing thing about all this is that this ignorant asshat calls himself an economist. My God.
Kludges are how you fix glitches.
How about this: If you want to pay for another’s health care, you won’t be stopped.
You pay for your own, if you can.
California (and some other states) require emergency rooms to care for people who have no insurance. That causes emergency rooms to charge a lot to people who can pay (or who have insurance), to cover the freight for people who can’t pay, and removed incentive for many people to get insurance.
Obama care is a government program justified by the failure of past government program, that interferes with the market in health care, because past government interference with the market in health care has been unsuccessful.
No, this time the result will not be different. It never is.
Are liberals actually zombies in tailored clothing? I’m beginning to think so.
did anyone think they didn’t plan this the whole time, and the calls for single payer?
Keep Krugman’s sentiments in mind when you read any DBM’s criticism of Bozocare. They all agree with Krugman’s but are just planting the seeds of dissension now, later to be harvested with a full scale press toward single payer.
Kludges are how you fix glitches.
Right, you hit them with a kludge hammer.
did anyone think they didnt plan this the whole time, and the calls for single payer?
And they get to siphon off a billion dollars at the
same time....how kewl is that!
It’d be a lot simpler if you mind you own business and the feds stick to the powers we granted them.
“The govt.” just pays your major medical expenses and would by your insurer. Oh yeah— that would work out real well.
Cradle to grave, and taxes beyond any imagining for the “free” care. What sheer idiocy.
We have become France.
A minimal intellect apparatchik states the game plan. How great it would be if Milton Friedman (a true genius of Economic theory) could debate this absolute idiot tool of the socialists, the thieves.
It would take maybe 10 minutes for Friedman, tops, to flatten this idiot with the assumptions that what is ours is his.
And Paul Grugeman says, “A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. “
Nope, Paul, a society that believes government is always bad will keep government as small as possible - the way it should be.
Paul Corruptman Krugman and his COMRADES truly believe all gov’t is good and therein lies the problem.
Government will be good to the extent that its continued power relies upon its goodness. If a community didn't have a civil court system that could make enforceable judgments, but had a judge who made his findings public, then as long as the judge consistently made reasonable findings, those who went against him would be shunned, and thus he would have the de facto power to make enforceable rulings. If, however, the judge started making patently unreasonable rulings, then someone who didn't want to abide by one of the judge's possibly-reasonable rulings could point to some rulings that were patently unreasonable, and likely convince some people that he had every right to disregard the judge's ruling and shouldn't be shunned because of it. If that were to happen much, the judge's power would evaporate.
If the judge's power stems solely from the fact that the community voluntarily respects him, he will do all he can to earn that respect. If, however, judge were given the power to jail those who disrespect his rulings, then he would have far less incentive to continuously earn that respect. Even if the present judge happened to be a good and honest person who would earn respect regardless of whether he had to, there's no particular reason to believe his successor would be.
That's a federal law passed in 1986 that covers the entire country, "Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act (EMTALA)." And, yes, it is a problem. It's the only thing worse than single payer, a law that says private entities have to provide free medical care, but no one will be paying them for it. It's an unfunded mandate.
but even if all men in the government were angels and if all these men in the government were very intelligent , talented and wanted to make things work it would never , ever ever work . government/socialism can never work
you think I'm insane don't you. well then read Fridedman , hayek etc. and you'll begin to see.
also here is an example. there are a LOT of very intelligent, talented, motivated teachers that do want to be good teachers and teach their students. but all of these good teachers cannot make the government schools work. most students graduating are illiterate and know nothing useful . it is because government/socialism can never work and government is a cancer
Gee, I wonder where they got THAT idea.
How about his one? A much simpler system of news, where you don't need the NYT, WaPo, and TV networks since the government gathers all the news that's fit to print and sends it to everyone for free! Just cut out the middleman. Wow, wouldn't that be great, too?
I thought a Kludge is a KKK legal counsel.
Imagine, now, a much simpler system in which the government just pays your major medical expenses.
Do you know what the penalty is for an emergency room that doesn’t follow the law?
The wikipedia article doesn’t discuss that (or I missed it).
I always wanted a trial run with shoes.
Everyone has a right to shoes.
The government makes all the shoes.
Only government shoes are available.
The government will decide what shoes are to be made.
The government will give you all the shoes you need.
Soviet shoe factories ran that experiment already. One year they couldn’t get enough leather for their quota of shoes in the usual size distribution, but they had to make their quota. They made all the shoes that year in very small size, a dolls shoe size. Result: A year’s worth of leather destroyed, and no value in shoes created.
Angels do not control others, beyond keeping those others from inflicting harm on the rest of the populace.
It is the tendency for humans to want control (power, money, etc.) that causes issues.