Skip to comments.Andy Lopez Cruz death: California cop's mistaken shooting of boy in seconds
Posted on 10/27/2013 9:02:53 PM PDT by Rabin
SANTA ROSA, CALIF. - 3:14 p.m. Tuesday, less than 10 seconds elapsed from the time sheriff's deputies spotted a 13-year-old California boy carrying what they thought was an assault rifle and the moment they shot him dead, only to learn afterward the gun was a plastic replica. It took 16 seconds more for the two officers to call for medical assistance, according to the time line of events released by police investigating Tuesday's shooting Andy Lopez Cruz, had been on his way to a friend's house (with a toy) gun... He died at the scene... seven bullets struck the boy, and two of the wounds were fatal... eight rounds were fired by one of (the) two deputies.
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We live in a totalitarian nation. When will all of the FReepers going to acknowledge this. Bye Bye the America that we thought.
The important thing is that these two LEOs went home safe and sound to their families.
You just have to wonder how much more of this the public is going to tolerate! Cops now unholster their weapons at the slightest provocation and the usually kill their “victim.” Then it’s easier to lie their way out of the killing. Just such a totally unnecessary tragedy, and I will bet that the “killers” are back on the job before the year is over.
What the h? You don’t shoot someone for carrying a rifle - even a real one.
This is either only part of the story of these cops are seriously in trouble - or not. This is California where it’s illegal to think about owning a gun.
By the way, thanks to all libs in California and elsewhere who have contributed to this lad’s death by fanning gun hysteria. It’s largely on YOU.
These PO’s will get 3 moths + administrative leave (paid vacation), apply for unemploymnet, be reinstated with back overtime pay.
OTOH - The may spend the rest of their lives in remorse.
OTOH, perhaps they mistook this boy for a dog. /s
OTOH - The may spend the rest of their lives in SAN QUENTIN.
There. Fixed it. Probably won’t happen, but what better place for these yahoos to be “remorseful”?
I have been saying this since the Janet Reno Justice Department. But the root causes go back to prohibition and RICO.
But I think that most of Freepers get it now. What to do? No where to go. It’s a small planet now.
Is there a single example in the Unites States of a similar incident, in broad daylight, where an armed citizen gunned down a young man and did not immediately go straight to jail?
You do this, I do this, we're going to jail, there will be murder charges filed against us. We would not be put on administrative leave and sent home to hug our loved ones. The basis of law in this country is that all are supposed to be equal before the courts, but the reality is that there are two different legal standards.
That has to end. Blanket immunity has to end, open season on dogs has to end, open season on citizens has to end. I'm still waiting for charges to be filed for this incident where 102 bullets pierced a moving vehicle where no weapon was ever observed. It was blind luck that the home that was the backstop for that shooting happened to be unoccupied.
Officers who were defending a possible target in a manhunt mistakenly identified two small women as being a large black man. As you can see in the picture at the link, officers purposefully targeted the driver and the passenger, attempting to take them out. That both survived (one with minor injuries no less) was a miracle.
How would this have gone down if an armed citizen had done this? Would they be facing a review board and possible administrative discipline, or would they be trying to figure out where they were going to move to, as their house and pretty much all of their personal property was just about to be taken, either by the defense team, or whatever is left over, by the litigants who will win their personal injury case?
They got within 30 feet of the kid in their cruiser. It’s a pathetic situation. Anyone who can’t tell a child from 100 feet is blind.
“These POs will get 3 moths + administrative leave (paid vacation), apply for unemploymnet, be reinstated with back overtime pay.”
I guess they are fortunate that this wasn’t my grandson...
“I guess they are fortunate that this wasnt my grandson...”
Maybe if the granddad blew away a couple of THEIR kids, they may have something to live with... Heck, if the granddad were eighty he wouldn’t have to do more than a few years in prison.
The ROE need to change for police. They should only be allowed to open fire if fired upon, if its good enough for our soldiers in a war zone, its good enough for police in the streets of America. Criminal charges should be brought to all cops who discharge there weapon before being fired upon.
Dar, “What to do? No where to go”
Start by asking your chief of Police. How much does our swat team cost all together and are their training records public? Either he won’t answer, or he will fib, or he will tell and you the truth and you will shityourpants. Coming to a theater very near you.
“The ROE need to change for police. They should only be allowed to open fire if fired upon, if its good enough for our soldiers in a war zone, its good enough for police in the streets of America. Criminal charges should be brought to all cops who discharge there weapon before being fired upon.”
I agree with that 99%... I would go further though. Any cop who discharged his weapon would be fired. Their responsibility should be to defuse a situation to the extent that it would be nu-necessary to use lethal force. If they can’t do that, then find someone who can for the job.
Cops have adopted a rule of just standing off and gunning down any possible threat that enters their view, almost like a flawed cop robot.
People forget that the female Highway patrolwoman was getting ready to gun down Rodney King as her husband watched from their patrol car, when the LAPD showed up and probably saved his life.
I have been screaming to de-fund P.D.’s for years. Way too much money, too many toys, too much personnel. Too much power. Up to no good.
Police funding courts through fines. Attorneys getting elected and writing laws that are jobs programs for attorneys. LE self funding through seizures, directly benefiting personnel who do the seizing. Just a giant self funding, self propagating mess. A mess that preys upon peoples fear. A gigantic protection racket.
I recall as a kid walking the streets in Arizona armed to the teeth.
Out to get...varmints. Tin cans. A big snake, if we saw one...
shotguns, pistols, even (gasp) semi-automatic rifles.
You can see such horrifying behavior to this day...just head up to Redington Pass on a Saturday.
The police used to drive right by us.
But that was in America.
Even if he were a fully grown adult, carrying a rifle is not a killing offense.
I don’t read that there was anything in the kids manner or behavior that could have been thought threatening. They could have just left him alone; they are not mandated to shoot peaceful citizens going about their business - even if they are carrying a weapon - absent something else.
If the kid had turned to the cops and said “Fill your hands, coppers!” - well even that would not rise to justification for a shooting.
This whole thing stinks of anti-gun hysteria.
Are you exaggerating? Because it's still legal to own guns here in california. No matter how much liberals try to disarm us we still have our 2nd ammendment rights.
That will change. Cops are going to be tracked, and killed. Am I advocating vigilantism? No. Just saying, others are going to start picking off these bad cops because the "system" refuses to punish them for bad behavior. This happens in other countries, coming very soon to America.
In Sunrise FL, the cops are inviting crooks here for stings and it’s very profitable.
After all, they "ARE" the law. And as such there are special laws to give then special status far above that of mere citizens/subjects.
Somehow we have gotten away from the idea that government officials, regardless of title, are PUBLIC EMPLOYEES. They work FOR US. WE PAY THEM and WE SHOULD BE their masters NOT the other way around.
Protected by a wall of unions, legislation, bureaucratic ukases and idiotic decisions by politically connected lawyers termed “judges”, they have become OUR masters.
This entire sad incident is just one symptom of a government gone WRONG.
We need a “time out”. We need to restructure our government
such that NO ONE can become a career office holder, law enforcement officers cease being a paramilitary army of occupation, and all public servants become totally answerable to the public they serve and which pays them - stripped of any union protection to shield them from the wishes of their employers - US.
I humbly suggest we begin by taking over our Boards of Education and DEMANDING and NOT ACCEPTING ANYTHING LESS THAN
1) NO MORE UNIONS for civil servants INCLUDING COPS
2) STRICT TERM LIMITS
3) APPLICATION OF ALL LEGISLATION TO THE LEGISLATORS WHO ENACT IT
4) CIVILIAN REVIEW BOARDS FOR COPS
5) CIVILIAN PRESENCE AND REVIEW OF ALL POLICE ACADEMY COURSES
6) STRICT RESIDENCY REQUIREMENTS FORA LL LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS
7) TERM LIMITS FOR JUDGES
8) ELECTIONS FOR JUDGES
9) REFERENDUM AND RECALL
Government needs to be taught to fear the people, not the other way around.
Yes, its called hyperbole.
Which is another word for exaggeration. It sounded for a second like you really believed we can’t own guns here in cal.
Thanks to libs and their anti-gun mania, even kids playing with toy guns are no longer safe.
They have ginned up this issue to the point of being unhinged, and the local LEO’s have bought into the hysteria.
No, but apparently it’s not safe to be walking around in Santa Rosa with a rifle in hand.
” Friends and family have described the
boy as a well-liked eighth-grader who
played the trumpet and basketball and
had a good sense of humor.”
I’m sure all his young friends now trust and have faith in LE. Good job officers.
who is selling that target
>> This whole thing stinks of anti-gun hysteria.
Agreed. Others have stated similarly.
Was offered briefly by Law Enforcement Targets Inc.
They made them at the specific request:
The subjects in NMH targets were chosen in order to give officers the experience of dealing with deadly force shooting scenarios with subjects that are not the norm during training. I found while speaking with officers and trainers in the law enforcement community that there is a hesitation on the part of cops when deadly force is required on subjects with atypical age, frailty or condition (one officer explaining that he enlarged photos of his own kids to use as targets so that he would not be caught off guard with such a drastically new experience while on duty).They further state:
The goal of NMH is to break that stereotype on the range, regardless of how slim the chances are of encountering a real life scenario that involves a child, pregnant woman, etc. If that initial hesitation time can be cut down due to range experience, the officer and community are better served.Mission accomplished.
Do they have any white/male/Christian LEO targets?
Those were in addition to the standard white male Christian targets...
I figure these targets are all for the new security force constituencies, racist black moslems, jihadis and atheist packers.
Of course they will occasionally have serious dustups between themselves.
The unstated corollary to those targets is that there are already plenty of people cops wouldn’t hesitate to shoot.
Just imagine all the fat TSA drones in a blue uniform, chewing gum, rolling their eyes and pulling you over for running a yellow light.
Erick Gelhaus is the name of the officer who put 8 bullets into this boy.
You say that like it’s a bad thing...
It would take hubris to put it up.
I’d only put one up next to a cop using “No More Hesitation” targets.
eh? You’re using targets that look like me and mine, why can’t I use a target that looks like you?
I’m waiting for the “light to go on” in the heads of the “traditional” people and they start asking “Wait a minute ... do those targets mean you already don’t worry about hesitating when shooting us?”.
Sadly, one could die of old age in several lifetimes before any light goes on in some heads.
NOT a suspect, just some guy stopped at a check-point.
Looks like I don't have to.
The only reason I think that’s fake is that the “cop” doesn’t have a shaved head.
My mistake, It was Friday, not yesterday...
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