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Is Ted Cruz a natural-born citizen eligible to serve as president? [Yes! And I support him! JimRob]
YAHOO NEWS ^ | 10-29-13 | Sarah Helene Duggin | National Constitution Center

Posted on 10/28/2013 7:19:34 AM PDT by Paul46360

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To: CodeToad
Kabumpo got it, too. Some people never learn. I do try to point out to them that what they are doing is playing with zot.

/johnny

251 posted on 10/30/2013 10:39:02 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: CyberAnt
Gosh, you mean you actually had an argument?

Somehow I doubt it........

252 posted on 10/30/2013 10:49:21 AM PDT by Lakeshark (Mr Reid, tear down this law!)
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To: edge919

Obviously you didn’t understand or chose to ignore “common-law” in my post. Can you name any court decision since the adoption of the 14th Amendment that differentiates between an Article 2, Section 1 “Natural Born Citizen” and a 14th Amendment “Citizen of the United States At Birth?” That is what I meant by definitions “merging.”
For example, here’s a judicial ruling that reflects the merger: U.S. District Court Judge John A. Gibney, Jr.: “It is well settled that those born within the United States are natural born citizens.”— Tisdale v. Obama, U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Virginia, January 23, 2012.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/82011399/Tisdale-v-Obama-EDVA-3-12-cv-00036-Doc-2-ORDER-23-Jan-2012


253 posted on 10/30/2013 10:56:09 AM PDT by Nero Germanicus
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To: GregNH

bttt


254 posted on 10/30/2013 5:56:17 PM PDT by First_Salute (May God save our democratic-republican government, from a government by judiciary.)
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To: Paul46360

What is the legitimate group to send money to in order to support his re-election?
Or his Presidential run?


255 posted on 10/30/2013 6:30:39 PM PDT by tbw2
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To: WXRGina
the clear wording of the Constitution regarding the fact that the Founders did NOT WANT ANYONE WITH POTENTIAL DIVIDED LOYALTIES being president.

That line is no place in the text of the Constitution. No matter how much you might believe it, and no matter how much sense it makes, and it does, that line is not in the Constitution anyplace, so it becomes unenforceable.

256 posted on 10/30/2013 6:36:04 PM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: xzins

Nowhere did I say it was “in the Constitution.” It was simply the impetus for the wording of the Article II Section 2 requirements for president, as opposed to the wording for requirements for senators and representatives.


257 posted on 10/30/2013 8:14:17 PM PDT by WXRGina (The Founding Fathers would be shooting by now.)
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To: Nero Germanicus

“If he wasn’t a U.S. Citizen he could not have attended the Punahou School in Honolulu from 5th grade through 12th, Occidental College, Columbia or Harvard Law without having and then renewing F-1 (foreign student) student visas.”

Not true. Obama landed in Hawaii in 1971 as an unaccompanied minor with foreign nationality. He was taken into protective custody by Border Patrol.

At that point, a hearing was scheduled and he could be deported or appeal for asylum. Most children abandoned at the border are granted asylum. Eventually, they become permanent resident aliens (green card holders).

Green card holders are in the country legally and entitled to attend school without a visa. The Privacy Act protects green card holders from exposure. Obama’s status as a green card holder cannot be exposed without his written permission or a Court subpoena.


258 posted on 10/31/2013 1:34:26 AM PDT by SvenMagnussen (1983 ... the year Obama became a naturalized U.S. citizen.)
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To: SvenMagnussen

When Obama arrived in Indonesia, he was too old to become an Indonesian citizen via adoption and adoption was the only way to become an Indonesian citizen as a child.
The law in question is Indonesian Law No. 62 of 1958, Law on the Citizenship of the Republic of Indonesia. Assuming an adoption of Obama took place, it would fall under Article 2 of this law.
“Article 2.
(1)A foreign child of less than 5 years age who is adopted by a citizen of the Republic of Indonesia acquires the citizenship of the Republic of Indonesia, if such an adoption is declared legal by the Pengadilan Negeri at the residence of the person adopting the child.”

Barack Obama was already six years old when he moved to Indonesia. In the absence of adoption papers and evidence of formal renunciation of U.S. Citizenship by a six year old at the U.S. Consulate in Jakarta, your theory fails.

Anyone who is granted Permanent Legal Resident status (green card) has files documenting their status that are available under Freedom of Information Act requests. There is also no record of Obama arriving as an unaccompanied minor and being placed under the jurisdiction of the Border Patrol.


259 posted on 10/31/2013 8:47:09 AM PDT by Nero Germanicus
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To: JRandomFreeper

I have written this over and over on these citizen threads. The child of my American son, was born in England and his mother is English. His birth was registered at the American Embassy the day of his birth and he was issued a regular US passport. He is a natural born citizen of the US. His birth was also registered that day at the English hospital. He may run for president of the US if he denounces his English citizenship - he may run for Prime Minister of England if he denounces his American citizenship.

When he comes to the states, he gets in the American Citizen line - his mother has to get in the Foreign line. There is no difference between the citizenship of my grandson and Cruz. Both were born of an American parent outside the US. My grandson will go to college in America as the American citizen he is.


260 posted on 10/31/2013 10:11:13 AM PDT by Marcella ((Prepping can save your life today. I am a Christian, not a Muslim.))
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To: GregNH; CodeToad
I don't doubt Cruz is a Citizen but he does not meet the NBC definition.

Please point out to us where NBC is defined in the Constitution, US Law, or by Supreme Court Ruling?

Lacking that, please prove that there has only EVER been one Natural Law definition, your definition, that it requires 2 citizen parents at birth.


261 posted on 10/31/2013 2:00:00 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: SoConPubbie; GregNH

Of course you are not going to get a response to this as these trolls have no definition to offer. It is just one dork on the internet thinking they know, making up a personal definition, then passing it on to another dork.


262 posted on 10/31/2013 3:16:45 PM PDT by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off. -786 +969)
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To: SvenMagnussen

” Obama’s status as a green card holder cannot be exposed without his written permission or a Court subpoena.”

Then how do you know about it?


263 posted on 10/31/2013 3:45:01 PM PDT by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off. -786 +969)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Jim has been very easy with them but I think his patience will end soon.


264 posted on 10/31/2013 3:45:37 PM PDT by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off. -786 +969)
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To: CodeToad
I know that mine has.

/johnny

265 posted on 10/31/2013 3:47:45 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: CodeToad; SoConPubbie

Gee, sorry I wasn’t sitting in the basement of my parents house in my PJ’s waiting for someone to ping me! Calling me names is not going to get me to offer you anything in the form of a substantive response.


266 posted on 11/03/2013 7:19:07 AM PST by GregNH (If you can't fight, please find a good place to hide!)
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To: GregNH

“offer you anything in the form of a substantive response.”

Nothing does anyway.


267 posted on 11/03/2013 7:28:50 AM PST by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off. -786 +969)
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To: CodeToad

Where are you coming from? I have never exchanged anything with you past but you seem to have me all figured out. Have a good one.


268 posted on 11/03/2013 7:34:46 AM PST by GregNH (If you can't fight, please find a good place to hide!)
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To: GregNH

Your post #214. It’s all I need to know about you. Stop crying ‘victim!’ and take responsibility for your own words.


269 posted on 11/03/2013 7:39:09 AM PST by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off. -786 +969)
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To: txrangerette
And are you not aware that the Constitution ITSELF gave Congress the authority to define citizenship? Well, it does!

LOL! The Constitution gives Congress every authority to define the criteria for a naturalized citizen, but it no more gives them the abiliy to define an Article II 'natural born citizen' than it does to define 'arms' in the 2nd Amendment or 'Liberty' in the Preamble.

There is only one clause that enumerates such an authority of definition...and it has nothing to do with citizenship....

270 posted on 11/03/2013 9:59:31 AM PST by MamaTexan (Due to the newly adopted policy at FR, every post I make may be my last.)
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To: CodeToad

Who’s crying? I didn’t call you names, but you saw fit without a single exchange between us in the past to go ahead and start name calling. Why would I want to even begin a debate with you? You want to learn more there is plenty in my posting history, have fun.


271 posted on 11/03/2013 11:14:11 AM PST by GregNH (If you can't fight, please find a good place to hide!)
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To: JohnnyP
... the risk that foreign nobility will infiltrate our government is long past; ...

What about foreign peasants?

272 posted on 11/05/2013 3:19:52 PM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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