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Is Ted Cruz a natural-born citizen eligible to serve as president? [Yes! And I support him! JimRob]
YAHOO NEWS ^ | 10-29-13 | Sarah Helene Duggin | National Constitution Center

Posted on 10/28/2013 7:19:34 AM PDT by Paul46360

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To: KarlInOhio
(McCain) was born to two US citizen parents in the US controlled territory of the Panama Canal Zone

IIRC, the progs were making the claim that because McCain was born off the base, in a civilian hospital, he was not eligible. The claim is laughable, as are many of their claims.

51 posted on 10/28/2013 8:01:11 AM PDT by Michael.SF. (0bama lied, Stevens died, now 0bama covers up the lies.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Well J; you’re better than that.

Cruz is not clearly eligible but, he is by oblique reason.

Still, he is stunning as an intellect and embodiment of of American ideals of the past and the necessities of of our future.

I will support him.


53 posted on 10/28/2013 8:01:23 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: Paul46360
Rightly or wrongly, the courts have decided that 0bama's U.S. citizen mother conveyed Natural Born Citizenship to him ....

THEREFORE ....

Eleanor Darragh Cruz, mother of Ted Cruz, raised in Delaware, graduated from a Catholic High School in the U.S., as well as Rice University, clearly meets the citizenship and residency requirements.

A toast to the U.S. citizenship of Eleanor Darragh Cruz that she passed along to Ted Cruz, and to her Irish/American heritage ....

Viva Ted Cruz for POTUS in 2016!

54 posted on 10/28/2013 8:01:37 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: faucetman

Are you crazy? Cruz was not born in Mexico or Russia! Silly to bring up such an unlikely scenario. We all look foolish when you float ridiculous variables to the discussion. We can not give countenance to rigid birther nonsense. /s

I love Cruz. Absolutely my favorite Senator right now. I would like to see him on SCOTUS or at the least a Governor.


55 posted on 10/28/2013 8:01:39 AM PDT by TauntedTiger (Keep away from the fence!)
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To: kevkrom

The Republican Party Establishment needs to talk this topic up for sure.

They claim they support Cruz’s goal but not his tactics, but he must be destroyed and cut down to size so he can’t be the presidential nominee, much less be considered the leader of Republicans because he really tried to stop Obamacare while the rest are faking their hostility to it for election purposes.


56 posted on 10/28/2013 8:03:26 AM PDT by Nextrush (BALANCED BUDGET NOW AND PRESIDENT SARAH PALIN)
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To: Vendome
It's clear to me. And the owner of this site has made himself clear on the issue. I'm not interested in being a rude guest by arguing about a subject the owner considers closed.

/johnny

57 posted on 10/28/2013 8:05:40 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

Under the circumstances we were fed, yes.

What needs to be added to NBC is a certifiable verification process, which the Founders didn’t see as necessary because they were dealing with honorable men.


58 posted on 10/28/2013 8:05:49 AM PDT by X-spurt (CRUZ missile - armed and ready.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Mark Levin says yes. That’s good enough for me.


59 posted on 10/28/2013 8:08:03 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: JRandomFreeper

So communication is now a zotting offense?


60 posted on 10/28/2013 8:11:39 AM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Paul46360

Compared to Obama he looks red, white and blue to me.


61 posted on 10/28/2013 8:15:54 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: onedoug

Next thing you know Elian Gonzoles will be running for president.


62 posted on 10/28/2013 8:16:37 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER ("The government" is nothing but a RAT jobs program)
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To: Paul46360

Sarah Helene Duggin if you are so smart why are you asking questions? You should be giving answers.


63 posted on 10/28/2013 8:17:32 AM PDT by McGruff (Mitch McConnell sold his soul for a Dam project.)
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To: Paul46360; onyx; Syncro; All

Ted Cruz was born to a fully qualified US citizen working temporarily in Canada. You bet he’s a natural born citizen and more patriotic American than 99% or better of all politicians currently serving or running. He’s fully qualified to run in all respects and I will support him to the hilt if he does.


64 posted on 10/28/2013 8:19:58 AM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Paul46360

65 posted on 10/28/2013 8:21:10 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: Windflier
Flogging this closed subject has led to the zot.

/johnny

66 posted on 10/28/2013 8:22:15 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Paul46360

Does it matter?

Or do we accept the notion that the law only applies to conservatives, and commies/progressives/liberal/dimocrats are above the law?


67 posted on 10/28/2013 8:27:11 AM PDT by LucianOfSamasota (Tanstaafl - its not just for breakfast anymore...)
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To: Paul46360

This question is answered an analyzed by many who make conclusive responses one way or the other.

It ultimately depends on which way the wind is blowing.

It is merely a matter of opinion, since the word natural born, though defined in legal treatises at the time of the passing of the Constitution, was not defined in the Constitution.

In today’s world, the art of determining the founders’ intent begins with one’s own opinion, and generally does not deviate from there much.


68 posted on 10/28/2013 8:29:04 AM PDT by LachlanMinnesota
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To: Windflier; JRandomFreeper
Wf is a good one to discuss the issue with. We've discussed it a fair amount, and finally agreed to disagree on the issue. I understand (enough) where he's coming from, I think he understands the arguments against his position.

He may not agree with me in the end, but he's never going to claim you're NOT a good conservative for disagreeing with him as long as you've studied the issue.

I hope that if Cruz runs, he supports him when the time comes.

69 posted on 10/28/2013 8:30:58 AM PDT by Lakeshark (Mr Reid, tear down this law!)
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To: Paul46360

How’s this for an answer “I don’t care” If the dems can do it so can we! I hope Cruz kicks democrat butt all around Washington.


70 posted on 10/28/2013 8:34:28 AM PDT by Morgana (Always a bit of truth in dark humor.)
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To: Vendome; JRandomFreeper
Cruz is not clearly eligible but, he is by oblique reason.

I would argue the opposite: Until the Constitution, which is doesn't, and/or settled law states otherwise, which it doesn't, Ted Cruz is eligible to be President of the U.S.

It is very clear, there is no murkiness on the issue except, mostly, by those who desire to get Zero on this issue.

There evidence is flimsy at best, and is not based on or rooted in the Constitution or settled U.S. Law.
71 posted on 10/28/2013 8:45:13 AM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: Paul46360

Schwarzeneer is not. He Is a naturalized citizen.

Cruz is a born citizen.

If your parent is a US citizen, you are born a US citizen.


72 posted on 10/28/2013 8:45:19 AM PDT by ifinnegan
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To: Leaning Right

If someone was born in Hawaii and two days later his parents took him to Afghanistan where he was trained by Al Queda and indoctrinated to believe that he was sired by Allah to destroy America the left would insist that he is still a natural born American citizen eligible to be president. Some on FR would agree with them.


73 posted on 10/28/2013 8:53:40 AM PDT by RipSawyer (The TREE currently falling on you actually IS worse than a Bush.)
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To: Paul46360

What does it matter? He can do more good by replacing Harry Reid in the Senate.
The President, (other than the current one) proposes,
Congress disposes...


74 posted on 10/28/2013 9:10:18 AM PDT by snowtigger (. Thanx to Charlie Daniels, " Let them win, or bring them HOME")
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To: JRandomFreeper
Flogging this closed subject has led to the zot.

Intelligent conservatives ought to be able to discuss any subject under the sun moon and stars, regardless of how contentious it is. That has always been the way of this forum as long as I've been coming here.

Putting an entire subject off limits for mere discussion isn't exactly an attribute of a free republic, or a free people.

I certainly don't believe that Jim Rob would yank someone's account for simply discussing the subject of NBC, as regards Ted Cruz, though I think there's a strong likelihood that he'd zot a poster if they insisted upon arguing that Ted Cruz is ineligible to hold the office of President.

In the overall sense of this country's near-term future, such arguments are tantamount to treason against the greatest good for our people, and the bedrock foundational principles upon which the nation was conceived and founded.

I get that.

In my view, Ted Cruz exemplifies the sort of citizen the Framers intended to hold the office of President. In his short time in office, he's proven beyond doubt that he embodies the very best of the essential American character. Next to Governor Sarah Palin, I've seen no one better.

If he chooses to run for President in 2016, or joins a ticket with Governor Palin at the top, I'll be his most ardent supporter.

For myself, I've had to set aside the word wrangling and more arcane definitions of citizenship to take a deeper view of what a Ted Cruz presidency would mean for the republic. I've asked myself, 'What would the Framers do?' I believe they'd take the measure of the man and pronounce him eminently fit for office.

75 posted on 10/28/2013 9:15:56 AM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: RipSawyer

It’s too bad the framers did not take an extra paragraph in the Constitution to explain “Natural born citizen”. They had no idea how little future Americans would know, I guess.


76 posted on 10/28/2013 9:17:20 AM PDT by Theodore R. (The grand pooh-bahs have spoken: "It's Jebbie's turn!" to LOSE!)
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To: Lakeshark
Wf is a good one to discuss the issue with.

See my reply to JRF at post 75.

77 posted on 10/28/2013 9:18:01 AM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Resolute Conservative
No one is a "candidate" until he has announced he is running for the office.

Please let's not set everyone up for another Palin 2012 disappointment.

78 posted on 10/28/2013 9:25:39 AM PDT by Notary Sojac (Mi tio es enfermo, pero la carretera es verde!)
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To: Theodore R.
It’s too bad the framers did not take an extra paragraph in the Constitution to explain “Natural born citizen”.

The Framers didn't define any of the terms they used in the Constitution. They used language and terms that were well understood by the people of the day, and would have pointed anyone who had trouble understanding it in the direction of a common dictionary.

What would have been genius at the time (as if the Constitution doesn't already qualify for that description) would have been the inclusion of some sort of official addendum, wherein they could have set forth the underlying logic and reasoning for every section of that document.

Such an attachment would have saved the country centuries of argument, court battles, and deviations from the Constitution's precise intent.

79 posted on 10/28/2013 9:28:04 AM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier
Trying to discuss the benefits of same sex 'marriage' is also settled on FR, and not tolerated. FR isn't a debating society for liberal points of view.

/johnny

80 posted on 10/28/2013 9:34:49 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: TheRhinelander
In Obama’s case it was his mother. Cruz is eligible.

In Obama's case, his mother was under the age cut-off: his father's citizenship should have prevailed.

81 posted on 10/28/2013 9:39:39 AM PDT by alancarp (Obama will grab your guns and ship them to Mexican drug mobs.)
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To: JRandomFreeper
Trying to discuss the benefits of same sex 'marriage' is also settled on FR, and not tolerated.

Johnny, you're a smart guy. I think you're intentionally missing my point.

Advocating any liberal or destructive position on FR is a zotting offense. That's always been settled policy around here. Discussion of intolerable subjects has never been verboten, and I hope it never is.

82 posted on 10/28/2013 9:42:10 AM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: latina4dubya

John McCain didn’t have a Cuban father.


83 posted on 10/28/2013 9:44:01 AM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: Paul46360

Thank you for posting. I also find that disturbing.


84 posted on 10/28/2013 9:45:15 AM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: latina4dubya

Well it’s not if it will become the defining issue of his candidacy.


85 posted on 10/28/2013 9:46:46 AM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: JRandomFreeper

It’s not a “pro-liberal subject”. It’s a factual subject, and it will haunt his campaign if he runs.


86 posted on 10/28/2013 9:48:52 AM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: Paul46360

...I’m wondering what the issues are going to be in 2016.

How many abortions should be on the punch card before you get one free.

How many of your lovers you can marry at the same time.

Whether or not marrying your cat gives you a tax credit.

Where the 70% income tax should start (20k or 21k).

Honestly I’ll be stunned if we make it to 2016.


87 posted on 10/28/2013 9:49:21 AM PDT by Tzimisce
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To: Jim Robinson

... he’s more patriotic American than 99% or better of all politicians currently serving or running ... fully qualified to run in all respects and I will support him to the hilt if he does.

You damn right!

I did everything I could to get him in his current position and will do everything I can to help him get to the top!

Ted is my man!

88 posted on 10/28/2013 9:51:40 AM PDT by Zakeet (Democrats haven't destroyed your freedoms ... you can still visit them at the Smithsonian)
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To: JRandomFreeper

And no one may comment when the Left makes this issue front page news all day every day?


89 posted on 10/28/2013 9:52:04 AM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: kabumpo
Then flog it. What could possibly happen?

/johnny

90 posted on 10/28/2013 9:52:53 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Servant of the Cross

Don’t agree. And it isn’t about who has done more harm, it’s about the law.


91 posted on 10/28/2013 9:54:11 AM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: Windflier

“communication”? Is that what you call attacking Cruz? “Communication”? Typical liberal left-wing propaganda.


92 posted on 10/28/2013 9:54:13 AM PDT by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off. -786 +969)
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To: Vendome

“Cruz is not clearly eligible “

To Hell he is not. You have nothing to back up that liberal assertion. You don’t have the right to claim another American is not an American.


93 posted on 10/28/2013 9:55:53 AM PDT by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off. -786 +969)
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To: MaxMax

Thanks. That’s what I keep trying to communicate. The Left will make this the only story. Shutting down debate here won’t stop them.


94 posted on 10/28/2013 9:57:19 AM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: Paul46360
Most conservatives were convinced that SCOTUS would shoot down Osama Obama Care on basic Constitutional grounds.We were wrong.That's just one incident that can be used to support the claim that "Cruz is Conditionally qualified to be POTUS if SCOTUS,as populated when the case arrives at their door,says he is".IOW,*facts* mean nothing in this debate,just as they meant nothing during the the ObamaCare challenge.Nine terrorists in black robes...accountable to NOBODY...will decide.
95 posted on 10/28/2013 9:57:47 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Osama Obama Care: A Religion That Will Have You On Your Knees!)
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To: JohnnyP

She is wrong.

” Finally, the natural born citizenship clause is both an anomaly and an anachronism. The way in which the clause differentiates among United States citizens is contrary to the overall spirit of the Constitution; the risk that foreign nobility will infiltrate our government is long past”


96 posted on 10/28/2013 10:00:01 AM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: TauntedTiger

And that’s what the Dems said about Obama. “I love him! He’s great! Shut up!”


97 posted on 10/28/2013 10:02:40 AM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: Windflier

Really disturbing.


98 posted on 10/28/2013 10:04:10 AM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: SoConPubbie

The fact that there is “murkiness” and that Cruz for any reason can be tainted by it - that there can even be a conversation about it - is in of itself enough reason for him not to run.


99 posted on 10/28/2013 10:08:26 AM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: Theodore R.

They didn’t “explain” it because by its very definition it comes from God, not man. To define it would be the government usurping the powers of God.


100 posted on 10/28/2013 10:11:44 AM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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