Skip to comments.Is Ted Cruz a natural-born citizen eligible to serve as president? [Yes! And I support him! JimRob]
Posted on 10/28/2013 7:19:34 AM PDT by Paul46360
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IIRC, the progs were making the claim that because McCain was born off the base, in a civilian hospital, he was not eligible. The claim is laughable, as are many of their claims.
Well J; you’re better than that.
Cruz is not clearly eligible but, he is by oblique reason.
Still, he is stunning as an intellect and embodiment of of American ideals of the past and the necessities of of our future.
I will support him.
A toast to the U.S. citizenship of Eleanor Darragh Cruz that she passed along to Ted Cruz, and to her Irish/American heritage ....
Viva Ted Cruz for POTUS in 2016!
Are you crazy? Cruz was not born in Mexico or Russia! Silly to bring up such an unlikely scenario. We all look foolish when you float ridiculous variables to the discussion. We can not give countenance to rigid birther nonsense. /s
I love Cruz. Absolutely my favorite Senator right now. I would like to see him on SCOTUS or at the least a Governor.
The Republican Party Establishment needs to talk this topic up for sure.
They claim they support Cruz’s goal but not his tactics, but he must be destroyed and cut down to size so he can’t be the presidential nominee, much less be considered the leader of Republicans because he really tried to stop Obamacare while the rest are faking their hostility to it for election purposes.
Under the circumstances we were fed, yes.
What needs to be added to NBC is a certifiable verification process, which the Founders didn’t see as necessary because they were dealing with honorable men.
Mark Levin says yes. That’s good enough for me.
So communication is now a zotting offense?
Compared to Obama he looks red, white and blue to me.
Next thing you know Elian Gonzoles will be running for president.
Sarah Helene Duggin if you are so smart why are you asking questions? You should be giving answers.
Ted Cruz was born to a fully qualified US citizen working temporarily in Canada. You bet he’s a natural born citizen and more patriotic American than 99% or better of all politicians currently serving or running. He’s fully qualified to run in all respects and I will support him to the hilt if he does.
Does it matter?
Or do we accept the notion that the law only applies to conservatives, and commies/progressives/liberal/dimocrats are above the law?
This question is answered an analyzed by many who make conclusive responses one way or the other.
It ultimately depends on which way the wind is blowing.
It is merely a matter of opinion, since the word natural born, though defined in legal treatises at the time of the passing of the Constitution, was not defined in the Constitution.
In today’s world, the art of determining the founders’ intent begins with one’s own opinion, and generally does not deviate from there much.
He may not agree with me in the end, but he's never going to claim you're NOT a good conservative for disagreeing with him as long as you've studied the issue.
I hope that if Cruz runs, he supports him when the time comes.
How’s this for an answer “I don’t care” If the dems can do it so can we! I hope Cruz kicks democrat butt all around Washington.
Schwarzeneer is not. He Is a naturalized citizen.
Cruz is a born citizen.
If your parent is a US citizen, you are born a US citizen.
If someone was born in Hawaii and two days later his parents took him to Afghanistan where he was trained by Al Queda and indoctrinated to believe that he was sired by Allah to destroy America the left would insist that he is still a natural born American citizen eligible to be president. Some on FR would agree with them.
What does it matter? He can do more good by replacing Harry Reid in the Senate.
The President, (other than the current one) proposes,
Intelligent conservatives ought to be able to discuss any subject under the sun moon and stars, regardless of how contentious it is. That has always been the way of this forum as long as I've been coming here.
Putting an entire subject off limits for mere discussion isn't exactly an attribute of a free republic, or a free people.
I certainly don't believe that Jim Rob would yank someone's account for simply discussing the subject of NBC, as regards Ted Cruz, though I think there's a strong likelihood that he'd zot a poster if they insisted upon arguing that Ted Cruz is ineligible to hold the office of President.
In the overall sense of this country's near-term future, such arguments are tantamount to treason against the greatest good for our people, and the bedrock foundational principles upon which the nation was conceived and founded.
I get that.
In my view, Ted Cruz exemplifies the sort of citizen the Framers intended to hold the office of President. In his short time in office, he's proven beyond doubt that he embodies the very best of the essential American character. Next to Governor Sarah Palin, I've seen no one better.
If he chooses to run for President in 2016, or joins a ticket with Governor Palin at the top, I'll be his most ardent supporter.
For myself, I've had to set aside the word wrangling and more arcane definitions of citizenship to take a deeper view of what a Ted Cruz presidency would mean for the republic. I've asked myself, 'What would the Framers do?' I believe they'd take the measure of the man and pronounce him eminently fit for office.
It’s too bad the framers did not take an extra paragraph in the Constitution to explain “Natural born citizen”. They had no idea how little future Americans would know, I guess.
See my reply to JRF at post 75.
Please let's not set everyone up for another Palin 2012 disappointment.
The Framers didn't define any of the terms they used in the Constitution. They used language and terms that were well understood by the people of the day, and would have pointed anyone who had trouble understanding it in the direction of a common dictionary.
What would have been genius at the time (as if the Constitution doesn't already qualify for that description) would have been the inclusion of some sort of official addendum, wherein they could have set forth the underlying logic and reasoning for every section of that document.
Such an attachment would have saved the country centuries of argument, court battles, and deviations from the Constitution's precise intent.
In Obama's case, his mother was under the age cut-off: his father's citizenship should have prevailed.
Johnny, you're a smart guy. I think you're intentionally missing my point.
Advocating any liberal or destructive position on FR is a zotting offense. That's always been settled policy around here. Discussion of intolerable subjects has never been verboten, and I hope it never is.
John McCain didn’t have a Cuban father.
Thank you for posting. I also find that disturbing.
Well it’s not if it will become the defining issue of his candidacy.
It’s not a “pro-liberal subject”. It’s a factual subject, and it will haunt his campaign if he runs.
...I’m wondering what the issues are going to be in 2016.
How many abortions should be on the punch card before you get one free.
How many of your lovers you can marry at the same time.
Whether or not marrying your cat gives you a tax credit.
Where the 70% income tax should start (20k or 21k).
Honestly I’ll be stunned if we make it to 2016.
... hes more patriotic American than 99% or better of all politicians currently serving or running ... fully qualified to run in all respects and I will support him to the hilt if he does.
You damn right!
I did everything I could to get him in his current position and will do everything I can to help him get to the top!
Ted is my man!
And no one may comment when the Left makes this issue front page news all day every day?
Don’t agree. And it isn’t about who has done more harm, it’s about the law.
“communication”? Is that what you call attacking Cruz? “Communication”? Typical liberal left-wing propaganda.
“Cruz is not clearly eligible “
To Hell he is not. You have nothing to back up that liberal assertion. You don’t have the right to claim another American is not an American.
Thanks. That’s what I keep trying to communicate. The Left will make this the only story. Shutting down debate here won’t stop them.
She is wrong.
” Finally, the natural born citizenship clause is both an anomaly and an anachronism. The way in which the clause differentiates among United States citizens is contrary to the overall spirit of the Constitution; the risk that foreign nobility will infiltrate our government is long past”
And that’s what the Dems said about Obama. “I love him! He’s great! Shut up!”
The fact that there is “murkiness” and that Cruz for any reason can be tainted by it - that there can even be a conversation about it - is in of itself enough reason for him not to run.
They didn’t “explain” it because by its very definition it comes from God, not man. To define it would be the government usurping the powers of God.