Skip to comments.A year after Romney loss, GOP woes run even deeper (o noes 4 woes)
Posted on 10/28/2013 8:37:22 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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You did not refute Cato’s analysis in my #53.
Repeating socialist / RINO talking points does not make an argument true.
I believe they do imprison men who have debts owed to females.
Dude. I used to think so highly of you. You're really going with the "Socialism at the State level is okay" argument?
I proved it:
Romneycare Advisers Went to WH to be Obamacare Advisers
By W. James Antle, III on 10.12.11 @ 9:26AM
Records show that Mitt Romney aides met a dozen times with the White House to discuss health care reform, according to reports that are sure to refocus attention on the similarities between Obamacare and Romneycare. The Massachusetts health care plan Romney signed into law was an inspiration for the federal legislation, signed by Barack Obama, that the Republican frontrunner has pledged to have repealed.
Lawrence O’Donnell, MSNBC host: “Alright, come on. Come clean. You were in the room with President Obama discussing healthcare reform and you did in fact work with the Romney administration in Massachusetts. Come on Professor, you’ve got to tell us the truth.”
Jonathan Gruber, MIT professor: “The truth is that the Affordable Care Act is essentially based on what we accomplished in Massachusetts. It’s the same basic structure applied nationally. John McDonough, one of the other advisers,who work in both Massachusetts and advised the White House said ‘it’s the Massachusetts with three more zeros.’ And that’s basically a good description of what the federal bill did.”
Gruber says Massachusetts received some federal funding for Romney’s healthcare reform, meaning all U.S. taxpayers chipped in to fund RomneyCare.
Because they pre-stole the money from the Federal Taxpayers:
"Did Romneycare raise taxes? No, but the state didnt need to. It covered the cost of reform with larger payments that it negotiated from the federal government for its Medicaid program."
As I said, you are just citing MSNBC talking points and a liberal MIT professor. Romney HIMSELF pointed out the huge differences between his law and Obamacare, and the length of the respective laws proves that they are vastly different. And this is not to say that I support Romneycare - I’ve read that it too has all sorts of issues and problems, financial and otherwise. My only point is that it is vastly different from Obamacare.
Ideally, then I do agree. Most of the legislation passed since the New Deal and Great Socirty should be repealed. You won’t get an argument out of me on that point. I think Romney was simply working within the system. His state does get Medicaid dollars. And hospitals are not allowed to turn away anyone. I think he was simply working within that framework. Rather than simply giving people Medicaid, he though it would be better to make them obtain private insurance.
The person used auto vs. health insurance as his argument, not me. The last paragraph in your comment are your words, not mine.
I don’t HAVE to drive and along with that comes all manner of perceived “inconveniences”. So be it...again, I (me personally) DON’T HAVE TO DRIVE. I can choose alternative methods to get along/around.
Thus, auto insurance is not compulsory or mandatory for me to get along in life. If I CHOOSE to engage in behavior that requires licensing or following legislation of some sort, then so be it, I’m under the government’s thumb.
But for simply being born, existing in the USA, we are now FORCED to purchase insurance.
I stand by my original premise/response, one that is supported by numerous other FReepers and the simple fact that, in spite of the overwhelming evidence to the contrary, I consider myself a free man, a citizen, not a subject.
Romney’s “liberal MIT professor”
Oh noes! I better get myself to an anti-bullying campaign because another poster repeatedly refuses to refute my point, and keeps making the same disproven point.
Well there's an unbiased unimpeachable source.
At this point, I’m just going to reflect on the nature of the argument.
Here at FR we have people who justify socialism because it came from a guy with an (R) behind his name.
How in the world can conservatism ever win with allies like this?
More "ideological Republicans" are to dumbies who believe in the US Constitution and Rule of Law. How quaint.
We have anti-bullying campaigns on FR now? What won’t the GOP-e stoop to, I wonder.
Not that I trust Robert Reich for much of anything, but today he partially made the case I’ve been pointing out. Socialism constructed by Republicans makes the case the Democrats want:
Don’t Like Obamacare? It Was the Republicans’ Idea, Says Liberal Democrat
October 28, 2013 - 10:12 AM
By Susan Jones
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Robert Reich served as Labor Secretary for President Bill Clinton. (AP File Photo)
(CNSNews.com) - Not a single Republican voted for the Democrats Affordable Care Act, but one liberal Democrat is nevertheless blaming Republicans for the system that’s debuted to so much criticism.
“While Republicans plot new ways to sabotage the Affordable Care Act, it’s easy to forget that for years they’ve been arguing that any comprehensive health insurance system be designed exactly like the one that officially began October 1st, glitches and all,” said Robert Reich, who served as President Bill Clinton’s Labor Secretary.
Reich says Democrats should have insisted on a single-payer system because it would have been “cheaper, simpler, and more popular.”
In a blog at The Huffington Post website, Reich wrote that Republicans have long argued for a health care system based on private insurance and paid for with subsidies and a requirement that the young and healthy people sign up. Democrats, he says, wanted to model health care reform on Social Security and Medicare, and fund it through the payroll tax.
Reich says President Richard Nixon in 1974, “proposed, in essence, today’s Affordable Care Act.” Thirty years later, then-Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, another Republican, “made Nixon’s plan the law in Massachusetts.”
Reich adds: “When today’s Republicans rage against the individual mandate in the Affordable Care Act, it’s useful to recall this was their idea as well,” as proposed in 1989 by Stuart M. Butler of the Heritage Foundation.
“Now that the essential Republican plan for healthcare is being implemented nationally, health insurance companies are jubilant,” Reich said, because they see opportunities for higher profits and expanded growth.
“So why are today’s Republicans so upset with an Act they designed and their patrons adore? Because it’s the signature achievement of the Obama administration,” he says.
Reich’s blog is entitled, “The Democrat’s Version of Health Insurance Would Have Been Cheaper, Simpler, and More Popular (So Why Did We Enact the Republican Version and Why Are They So Upset?)”
Reich, now a professor of public policy at the University of California at Berkeley, advocates a single-payer health insurance system, such as “Medicare for all.”
..- See more at: http://cnsnews.com/news/article/susan-jones/dont-obamacare-it-was-republicans-idea-says-liberal-democrat#sthash.l5J8mEie.dpuf
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