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***[YOU MUST SEE THIS PHOTO]*** Suspect in Northern Calif. standoff surrenders
KNOX ^ | Oct 26, 2013

Posted on 10/28/2013 8:59:38 AM PDT by Lazamataz

Edited on 10/28/2013 9:45:58 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

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To: Lazamataz; Travis McGee

And the “press” treats it like an every day occurrence. Nothing to see here.

I’ve been reading Matt Bracken’s books, and they look more believable every day.


101 posted on 10/28/2013 9:42:02 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (We're At That Awkward Stage: It's too late to vote them out, too early to shoot the bastards.)
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To: PhiloBedo

CALIFORNIA supports NAZI POLICE STATE & Door to Door GUN CONFISCATION! - WAKE UP!

Via: Info Wars website.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cF8zhT82tNc


102 posted on 10/28/2013 9:42:17 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: Marcella
It appears to me his finger is not on the trigger but in the usual safety position.

So he didn't violate rule 2. But he sure violated rule 1!

103 posted on 10/28/2013 9:42:56 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: Irenic
manufactures = manufacture
104 posted on 10/28/2013 9:43:20 AM PDT by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: Marcella

Whether the finger is inside our outside the guard is irrelevant, the muzzle of the rifle is pointed at the motorist’s head.


105 posted on 10/28/2013 9:43:28 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (We're At That Awkward Stage: It's too late to vote them out, too early to shoot the bastards.)
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To: Marcella

And the gun is pointed at someone he presumably doesn’t intend to shoot.


106 posted on 10/28/2013 9:43:44 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: nuconvert

Seriously... you’re lost.
Your unalienable rights do not change even if there’s an event where one of our masters was killed.

Refusal to cooperate does not constitute a threat justifying sticking a gun in someone’s face.


107 posted on 10/28/2013 9:44:01 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Lazamataz

Look at that FAT-AZZ P.O.S. in the back-ground. Hermann Goring’s brother. Let alone the idiot pointing the rifle. A totally disgusting image. The new NAZI-MERICA.


108 posted on 10/28/2013 9:45:13 AM PDT by Lockbar ("WWVTID?": What Would Vlad The Impaler Do?)
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To: Psalm 73

That was my first thought, also.


110 posted on 10/28/2013 9:45:42 AM PDT by PhiloBedo (You gotta roll with the punches and get with what's real.)
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To: Lazamataz

You point a gun at them and they kill you but if they point a gun at you it’s OK. One set of rules for the sheep and another for the wolves. So much for equality. If someone points a gun at me it’s a death threat and I don’t care about no stinking badges.


111 posted on 10/28/2013 9:46:38 AM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah so shall it be again,")
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To: Marcella

Stop trying to make sense.


112 posted on 10/28/2013 9:46:42 AM PDT by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: MrB
Seriously... you’re lost.

Just give him good advice at how to navigate the FEMA camp and survive that. That's really all you can do.

113 posted on 10/28/2013 9:47:06 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: Lazamataz
I actually give that chick in DC, being killed, a pass. She drove at the Presidential White House grounds, if I am not mistaken. That’s a kill-worthy offense. As much as I despise Obama, I still want to see him very well protected. He’s still the President.

I agree completely. I watched the video footage of the lady in DC many times, and I would say that in her case law enforcement was in fact unusually restrained. I would not have had an issue with their opening fire much earlier.

Contrary to many of the statist-minded, there is a significant difference between law enforcement and tyranny.

What we see in this picture, however, is revolting. I am reminded of something from years ago:

"Parts of our government now operate without regard to the rights of citizens, and this philosophy of unlimited authority is taken for granted by everyone involved. Federal agents have put citizens in prison, gassed them, shot them to death, and burned them alive over tax issues involving trivial amounts of money. Not one government employee has spent one night in jail or paid one dollar in fines. Instead, they are given paid leave, get promoted, and garner even more authority to do as they please.

"Worst of all is that the men and women who commit these atrocities are not acting out of deep moral purpose. It is only a job to them, a paycheck, a way to make the next VISA payment. That makes these people even more despicable, but it also makes the strategy for stopping them very simple." All four FBI agents stared at the screen, waiting for Wilson Blair to say the words they knew were coming.

"Kill them," he said simply. "Individually, without risk to anyone else. Take it from someone who knows — government employees have a strong instinct for self-preservation. Kill fifty or a hundred of them around the country, and many more will resign and look for less hazardous work. But kill them one at a time, when others are not around. The blood of innocents helps the wrong side.

"One at a time," he repeated. "Pick your spot, use a piece of pipe, walk away, and keep your mouth shut. It's ridiculously easy when the Constitution is on your side and you outnumber the enemy over five thousand to one. Good luck." Blair smiled, and was then suddenly replaced by the Cable News anchorman.


Unintended Consequences, by John Ross (PDF link) p. 683


It is astounding how each generation of collectivist tyrants needs to learn all over again that their ideology does not work, even when you introduce the machinery of killing pits at the end.
114 posted on 10/28/2013 9:47:41 AM PDT by Robert Teesdale
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To: Lazamataz

What a Rube that cop is.

William Buckley used to say that police, not citizens should be disarmed as they have clearly demonstrated that they do not know what they are doing. The lard butt on the other side of the vehicle is in danger as well, should the cop cut loose (I’m sure he has selected full auto). I have seen this often with law enforcement officers, suspect literally surrounded and all pointing their weapons or cop on either side pointing weapons with suspect in the middle. Genius.

We had a 16 year old shot here toting an AK air soft. Eight rounds fired by the deputy, seven hits. Good shooting but bad call. I’m thinking more and more cops should have rules of engagement like out troops overseas; do not fire unless fired upon, in situations not clearly defined seek authourity form the chain of command. If it is good enough for some maniacal mussie it is good enough for U.S. citizens.


115 posted on 10/28/2013 9:47:47 AM PDT by rey
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To: GeronL
Wow. Can we save this country? Or is the fall inevitable?

Depends. Josiah was the greatest king in the Old Testament. The Bible says that no other king (even David or Solomon) sought God like Josiah. Yet God was so angry about the sins of the previous generation that he destroyed the nation anyway. In other words even if America were to repent now it might still be too late.

116 posted on 10/28/2013 9:47:48 AM PDT by Pan_Yan (Who told you that you were naked? Genesis 3:11)
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To: nuconvert

Your comments represent much of what is wrong with our nation these days. I suppose you supported the Boston SWAT door-to-door home invasions where residents were evicted from their homes at gunpoint while jackboots searched for a teen who was hiding in a boat.


117 posted on 10/28/2013 9:48:21 AM PDT by NautiNurse (Obama sends U.S. Marines to pick up his dog & basketballs. Benghazi? Nope.)
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To: Lazamataz

What do you expect? The driver wasn’t wearing his seatbelt.


118 posted on 10/28/2013 9:48:41 AM PDT by Tenacious 1 (Waiting for next tagline.)
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To: MrB

“Refusal to cooperate does not constitute a threat justifying sticking a gun in someone’s face.”

In some situations, it does.


119 posted on 10/28/2013 9:48:49 AM PDT by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: Trailerpark Badass
I like Officer Bearclaw with his special helmet.

Looks like John Candy

120 posted on 10/28/2013 9:49:38 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (I'm a Christian, pro-life, pro-gun, Reaganite. The GOP hates me. Why should I vote for them?)
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To: nuconvert

Yeah, and you’d be OK if the cop shot him as he reached for his wallet, he coulda been reaching for a gun.

The cop feared for his safety, and that makes it a righteous shoot.

The only important thing is that the cop gets to go home to his wife and kiddies.


121 posted on 10/28/2013 9:50:00 AM PDT by null and void (I'm betting on an Obama Trifecta: A Nobel Peace Prize, an Impeachment, AND a War Crimes Trial...)
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To: NautiNurse

Not quite


122 posted on 10/28/2013 9:50:02 AM PDT by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: nuconvert
They’re looking for an armed killer involved in a shootout that wounded several others ..... I can understand sticking a gun in this guy’s face if he’s refusing to answer questions &/or show the cop his ID.

That is ludicrous.

Is the threat of immediate deadly force warranted to compel respect and/or ID production?

The driver of that car does not bear even a passing resemblance to the suspect being sought.

Perhaps the citizenry should use equal measures to compel officers of the State to display respect for Constitutionally-guaranteed rights. What say you?
123 posted on 10/28/2013 9:50:14 AM PDT by Robert Teesdale
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To: Robert Teesdale
What we see in this picture, however, is revolting.

To some of us. Others, well... hell, people elected Hitler to Chancellor, I suppose, and went along with Pol Pot, and supported the King of England in America. There's always a few.

124 posted on 10/28/2013 9:50:22 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: Lazamataz

This is the New World Order.


125 posted on 10/28/2013 9:50:24 AM PDT by Count of Monte Fisto (The foundation of modern society is the denial of reality.)
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To: Lazamataz

But it makes us so safe! So says all the Police State loving FReepers who just LOVED the Boston Bomber shealter in place order!


126 posted on 10/28/2013 9:51:05 AM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Lazamataz
hell, people elected Hitler to Chancellor

WRONG!

127 posted on 10/28/2013 9:51:24 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: NautiNurse; nuconvert
Don't bother. He's lost. All I have to say to that one is "We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen!" -- Samuel Adams.
128 posted on 10/28/2013 9:52:26 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: nuconvert

“They’re looking for an armed killer involved in a shootout that wounded several others ..... I can understand sticking a gun in this guy’s face if he’s refusing to answer questions &/or show the cop his ID.”

So, “nuconvert” are you really Jeh Johnson posting on FR? sarc....

Homeland Security Secretary nominee Jeh Johnson pledges allegiance to Obama
Joe NewbySpokane Conservative Examiner

October 19, 2013

Jeh Johnson, the Pentagon lawyer and major Democratic Party donor tapped by Obama to head the Department of Homeland Security, pledged his loyalty to Barack Obama instead of the Constitution, Jim Treacher reported at the Daily Caller Friday.


129 posted on 10/28/2013 9:52:36 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: dfwgator

I thought he (Hitler) won one election? Am I wrong there? Let me go check.


130 posted on 10/28/2013 9:53:03 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: Marcella
It appears to me his finger is not on the trigger but in the usual safety position.

The clinton apologists said exactly the same thing when Elán Gonzales (the only illegal alien clinton hated) was forcibly deported to Communist Cuba.

131 posted on 10/28/2013 9:53:14 AM PDT by null and void (I'm betting on an Obama Trifecta: A Nobel Peace Prize, an Impeachment, AND a War Crimes Trial...)
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To: Lazamataz

Hitler was appointed Chancellor, even though the Nazis didn’t fare well in the election, by Von Papen who did it to spite his rival Von Schleicher. They thought Hitler could be controlled. The Nazis actually lost seats in the following election, which were to be the last free elections until the end of the war.


132 posted on 10/28/2013 9:53:41 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Lazamataz

“Low-ready is fine.”

Okay, I’ll take low-ready, but I would expect the rifle or a handgun to be out and ready in that situation.


133 posted on 10/28/2013 9:53:41 AM PDT by Marcella ((Prepping can save your life today. I am a Christian, not a Muslim.))
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To: Cyber Liberty; Travis McGee
I’ve been reading Matt Bracken’s books, and they look more believable every day.

Speaking of which, isn't today a free download day?

134 posted on 10/28/2013 9:54:11 AM PDT by null and void (I'm betting on an Obama Trifecta: A Nobel Peace Prize, an Impeachment, AND a War Crimes Trial...)
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To: Count of Monte Fisto

“This is the New World Order.”

Same as the Old World Order I see...


135 posted on 10/28/2013 9:54:17 AM PDT by headsonpikes (Mass murder and cannibalism are the twin sacraments of socialism - "Who-whom?"-Lenin)
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To: rey
The lard butt on the other side of the vehicle is in danger as well, should the cop cut loose (I’m sure he has selected full auto). I have seen this often with law enforcement officers, suspect literally surrounded and all pointing their weapons or cop on either side pointing weapons with suspect in the middle.

Excellent point. Didn't consider that, so outraged was I with the actual situation in the foreground.

136 posted on 10/28/2013 9:54:27 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: Robert Teesdale

Again,,,this a roadblock. They’re looking for an armed killer involved in a shootout that wounded several others.

“The driver of that car does not bear even a passing resemblance to the suspect being sought.”

And what if he’s an accomplice? What if he’s hiding the killer in his car?


137 posted on 10/28/2013 9:54:34 AM PDT by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: Lazamataz
Just a continuation, with slight modifications of course, of the tactics they used in Boston where they went door to door.

I posted this as soon as I scrolled to post 1, but I will be willing to ben that not far down the line someone will post a message to the effect of how brave the officers were that confronted the driver of the vehicle pictured.

138 posted on 10/28/2013 9:54:36 AM PDT by sport
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To: Marcella

RULE # 1: NEVER point a firearm at anything you are NOT going to shoot!

Having the muzzle in the general direction is fine, never aim at a person unless you are going to shoot them. That is a criminal offense.


139 posted on 10/28/2013 9:55:22 AM PDT by B4Ranch (AGENDA: Grinding America Down ----- <<http://vimeo.com/63749370)
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To: Marcella
Sure! Then we agree! Low-ready would have been the American way, that is how we do this stuff -- even in Hostile Areas overseas.

THIS, however, is OUTRAGEOUS.

140 posted on 10/28/2013 9:55:37 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: null and void
They are by far the most professional police organization in California.

Did you read what you posted before you posted it. I expect you are bias in some fashion. I have no basis or facts to dispute the opinion you posted. But that drips of irony and satire (regardless of the LEO department that claims the honor you bestow in your post).

Again, I'm not saying you are wrong, just that the statement is preposterous. If I were to make it more plausible, I'd write it this way, "The are (a) police organization in California." But then, your point would be lost.

141 posted on 10/28/2013 9:55:42 AM PDT by Tenacious 1 (Waiting for next tagline.)
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To: KeyLargo

Nah, he’s way to the Left of me


142 posted on 10/28/2013 9:56:36 AM PDT by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: Lazamataz
To some of us. Others, well... hell, people elected Hitler to Chancellor, I suppose, and went along with Pol Pot, and supported the King of England in America. There's always a few.

There are always more than a few. There are always enough enablers to set in motion an inordinate amount of eventual bloodshed. It's a disgusting human proclivity.
143 posted on 10/28/2013 9:56:36 AM PDT by Robert Teesdale
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To: Lazamataz

144 posted on 10/28/2013 9:57:08 AM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (What do we want? Time travel. When do we want it? It's irrelevant.)
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To: null and void
You've got to resend your ping without the copyrighted picture. It got yanked.
145 posted on 10/28/2013 9:57:40 AM PDT by Pan_Yan (Who told you that you were naked? Genesis 3:11)
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To: Innovative
I see. If ONE parole violating felon injures a cop, it's open season on EVERYONE until he's caught.

Little old ladies delivering morning papers.

Commuters just cleared from a checkpoint.

and it's A-OK to burn down any house he holes up in.

Got it.

(Re-posted with a non-LA Times photo, in hopes that was the problem with the original post)

146 posted on 10/28/2013 9:57:47 AM PDT by null and void (I'm betting on an Obama Trifecta: A Nobel Peace Prize, an Impeachment, AND a War Crimes Trial...)
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To: nuconvert

So “mouthing off” merits having a weapon pointed at your face? If the guy said another word, then it’s OK to shoot him?


147 posted on 10/28/2013 9:57:51 AM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: null and void; Travis McGee

Yes, the third book became available for free download today. I snagged it. I’m still reading the first book.


148 posted on 10/28/2013 9:58:06 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (We're At That Awkward Stage: It's too late to vote them out, too early to shoot the bastards.)
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To: Lazamataz
I thought he (Hitler) won one election? Am I wrong there? Let me go check.

Not to hijack you, Laz, but Gator's right. He never won an election in which he personally stood as a candidate.

149 posted on 10/28/2013 9:58:06 AM PDT by Colonel_Flagg (Some people meet their heroes. I raised mine. Go Army.)
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To: rey
suspect literally surrounded and all pointing their weapons or cop on either side pointing weapons with suspect in the middle. Genius.

aka the circular firing squad.

150 posted on 10/28/2013 9:58:51 AM PDT by NautiNurse (Obama sends U.S. Marines to pick up his dog & basketballs. Benghazi? Nope.)
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