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***[YOU MUST SEE THIS PHOTO]*** Suspect in Northern Calif. standoff surrenders
KNOX ^ | Oct 26, 2013

Posted on 10/28/2013 8:59:38 AM PDT by Lazamataz

Edited on 10/28/2013 9:45:58 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

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To: Robert Teesdale
There are always more than a few. There are always enough enablers to set in motion an inordinate amount of eventual bloodshed. It's a disgusting human proclivity.

We see it on full display right on this thread. It is good to know, even those 'in our ranks' might break line and falter, to sweetly lick the leather-gloved fist.

It is an important task to weed out those we know to be dependable, versus those who will not be.

151 posted on 10/28/2013 9:58:51 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: Colonel_Flagg; gator

Thanks bro. Good to know and interesting. Thought he had won a smaller election somewhere.


152 posted on 10/28/2013 9:59:47 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: Lazamataz
Been going on for a long time. Late one night, years ago during the search for Patty Hurst and her terrorist buddies, I was helping a friend tow his dead WV back to the garage. We were stopped by the cops. My friend, who's father was cop at the time said, “Relax, man. I know how to handle this.” Before I could stop him, he vaulted from the car to walk back to the cops. Cop on the loudspeaker: “DRIVER! GET BACK IN THE VEHICLE!” More cops begin arriving on the scene. “PLACE BOTH HANDS OUTSIDE THE WINDOW!” Cop walks up on the driver's side. Looks at the towed VW. Looks at my friend and asks “What's in the vehicle?” Sensing this to be the right moment for a little levity, my friend giggles and responds, “Ha-ha...PATTY HURST, MAN!” Ahem, there is a distinct sound to multiple magnum revolvers being drawn from holsters, and a particularly menacing glint to deeply polished blued steel in the moonlight, such that I shall never forget.
153 posted on 10/28/2013 10:01:16 AM PDT by PowderMonkey (WILL WORK FOR AMMO)
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To: nuconvert

You forgot to add how bravely he held the rifle in the driver’s face.


154 posted on 10/28/2013 10:01:25 AM PDT by sport
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To: Rusty0604

“If the guy said another word, then it’s OK to shoot him?”

Nope, but if he doesn’t respond to the gun in his face, and he continues to be non-cooperative, it’s ok to haul his ass out of the car at gunpoint


155 posted on 10/28/2013 10:02:13 AM PDT by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: Lazamataz

In new world Stalinist Amerika, Laz... She’ll hit YOU.


156 posted on 10/28/2013 10:02:27 AM PDT by SpinnerWebb (In 2012 you will awaken from your HOPEnosis and have no recollection of this... "Constitution")
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To: nuconvert
Maybe not now. Kinda looks like he might be a d!ck.

I don’t know whether the photographer had a motive of his own or came upon the scene a minute late or hates guns, or what.

I try not to jump to conclusion.

I am VERY objective and normally give LEO the benefit of the doubt where there are questions (which irritates a lot of FReepers sometimes). But unless this driver threatened to kill somebody by detonating a device, I can think of little else that would warrant a rifle muzzle being held 10" from his face. They said it was a checkpoint.

By the way, you do realize that if the driver would have had darker skin color, your comment would be racist, right?

157 posted on 10/28/2013 10:02:43 AM PDT by Tenacious 1 (Waiting for next tagline.)
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To: nuconvert
Again,,,this a roadblock. They’re looking for an armed killer involved in a shootout that wounded several others.

No one is arguing that the circumstances were casual. Nor that a roadblock in itself is not warranted.

And what if he’s an accomplice? What if he’s hiding the killer in his car?

That's the risk you take when you enter law enforcement. If you can't handle that situation with less aggressive force than our soldiers in an active war zone you should not be involved in policing the citizenry.

You should be at home, playing Call of Duty.
158 posted on 10/28/2013 10:03:11 AM PDT by Robert Teesdale
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To: headsonpikes
Same as the Old World Order I see...

Yup. They're just selling it with the "New and Improved!" sales pitch like its laundry detergent. Same principle really.

159 posted on 10/28/2013 10:03:12 AM PDT by Count of Monte Fisto (The foundation of modern society is the denial of reality.)
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To: nuconvert
And what if he’s an accomplice? What if he’s hiding the killer in his car?

Put yourself behind the wheel of that car. You are driving home from Burger King with your Big Whopper, extra ketchup, pickles, onions, medium Pepsi and a super-sized order of fries. Now you have a jackboot with a tactical weapon pointed at your gullet. How do you feel?

160 posted on 10/28/2013 10:04:11 AM PDT by NautiNurse (Obama sends U.S. Marines to pick up his dog & basketballs. Benghazi? Nope.)
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To: Lazamataz

The dog must have(with good reason) fled the scene and the baby in the back seat must be sleeping. Better not do a U-Turn dude!


161 posted on 10/28/2013 10:04:45 AM PDT by blackdog (There is no such thing as healing, only a balance between destructive and constructive forces.)
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To: Lazamataz
This is not the suspect.

We're all criminals in the eyes of the State. Those without a record, wants or warrants are the sneaky ones.

162 posted on 10/28/2013 10:05:00 AM PDT by Anton.Rutter
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To: nuconvert
Nope. It means there’s a possibility that in the few minutes before this photo was taken, the d!ck was mouthing off and not cooperating.

I'm late to this discussion. But what sort of "mouthing off" and "not cooperating" would warrant a rifle to the face? He was obviously stopped and he had two hands on the wheel. He must have made fun of someone's fat mom?

163 posted on 10/28/2013 10:05:54 AM PDT by Tenacious 1 (Waiting for next tagline.)
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To: Lazamataz
We see it on full display right on this thread. It is good to know, even those 'in our ranks' might break line and falter, to sweetly lick the leather-gloved fist.

Most rank-breaking will come from fear following direct threats to individuals unknown to the ranks.

It is an important task to weed out those we know to be dependable, versus those who will not be.

Money
Ideology
Conscience
Ego

Thus the sources of treason.
164 posted on 10/28/2013 10:06:43 AM PDT by Robert Teesdale
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To: real saxophonist
Don't criticize the leo so quickly. He would have put the gun in the kid's face if he had been 2 years old. and pull the trigger
165 posted on 10/28/2013 10:07:09 AM PDT by sport
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To: Lazamataz

All downhill since Ellian Gonzalez. That one event promoted the government of and for the people, to a people with a boot heel on the neck and a flash bang instead of a door bell.


166 posted on 10/28/2013 10:07:52 AM PDT by blackdog (There is no such thing as healing, only a balance between destructive and constructive forces.)
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To: Lazamataz
“If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face—for ever.” ― George Orwell, 1984
167 posted on 10/28/2013 10:08:25 AM PDT by esquirette ("Our hearts are restless until they find rest in Thee." ~ Augustine)
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To: NautiNurse

How do you know from this photo, that every driver who was stopped, had a gun pointed at his face?

As I said, I have no verification from this photo as to what really went on. It could have been taken by a Michael Moore type, who watched for just the right photo opportunity.


168 posted on 10/28/2013 10:09:58 AM PDT by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: Tenacious 1

No. The CHP are indeed the most professional force in California.

They have the best training. They generally deal with a higher class of criminals than a typical city cop, and are therefore less contaminated by the filth a beat cop has to deal with every day, day after day, month after month, year after year.

In every interaction I have ever had with them they have been the absolute model of fairness and professionalism (Yes, I got the tickets I earned).

That one of them would act is such a grossly foul manner is much more disturbing than if it were, say, an LA County Sheriff.

It means even the best is now only a little better than a Gestapo agent.

That was my point.

God help us all.


169 posted on 10/28/2013 10:10:52 AM PDT by null and void (I'm betting on an Obama Trifecta: A Nobel Peace Prize, an Impeachment, AND a War Crimes Trial...)
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To: Tenacious 1

Don’t know. I wasn’t there & neither were you.


170 posted on 10/28/2013 10:11:36 AM PDT by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: nuconvert

Millimeters?


171 posted on 10/28/2013 10:12:02 AM PDT by null and void (I'm betting on an Obama Trifecta: A Nobel Peace Prize, an Impeachment, AND a War Crimes Trial...)
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To: JimSEA
You’re not really in control until you’ve scared the sh!t out of the average innocent citizen.

It makes them hohny, baby. He and Butterball are going home to view the dash cam video and rub their guns together.

172 posted on 10/28/2013 10:12:14 AM PDT by Anton.Rutter
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To: Pan_Yan

Thanks. I think I got it...


173 posted on 10/28/2013 10:12:41 AM PDT by null and void (I'm betting on an Obama Trifecta: A Nobel Peace Prize, an Impeachment, AND a War Crimes Trial...)
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To: nuconvert
I can understand sticking a gun in this guy’s face if he’s refusing to answer questions &/or show the cop his ID.

Now think about where you would draw the line with that line of thinking? Is there any limit regarding police powers you would agree with?

174 posted on 10/28/2013 10:14:27 AM PDT by Tenacious 1 (Waiting for next tagline.)
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To: null and void

Lol. Funny


175 posted on 10/28/2013 10:15:00 AM PDT by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: Lazamataz

My pleasure, Laz. I like to free you up for more important things. :)


176 posted on 10/28/2013 10:15:07 AM PDT by Colonel_Flagg (Some people meet their heroes. I raised mine. Go Army.)
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To: Lazamataz

I am not sure how I would react to that situation.


177 posted on 10/28/2013 10:16:48 AM PDT by PeterPrinciple
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To: Lazamataz

Is it common practice to hold the rifle within grabbing distance?


178 posted on 10/28/2013 10:16:54 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: Tenacious 1

I know you said that you were late to the conversation, but please look at my other answers and don’t take my replies out of context. Thanks


180 posted on 10/28/2013 10:17:19 AM PDT by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: Gene Eric

I note, the evildoer (normal driver) has his hands on the steering wheel and in sight to both “officers.”


181 posted on 10/28/2013 10:19:42 AM PDT by morphing libertarian
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To: exPBRrat

Soldiers are TRAINED!

These guys are idiots!

Wonder if there are any MSM types willing to ask these LEOs any hard questions?


182 posted on 10/28/2013 10:20:12 AM PDT by G Larry (Let his days be few; and let another take his office. Psalms 109:8)
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To: nuconvert
And what if he’s an accomplice? What if he’s hiding the killer in his car?

...And again, the driver has two hands on the wheel, stopped with the window down. Rifle out and in the low-ready position is fine. But he has a rifle pointed in the motorists face. Not fine.

183 posted on 10/28/2013 10:22:26 AM PDT by Tenacious 1 (Waiting for next tagline.)
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To: rktman

YIKES!!!


184 posted on 10/28/2013 10:22:29 AM PDT by G Larry (Let his days be few; and let another take his office. Psalms 109:8)
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To: nuconvert

You passed the test. You are a new convert to the New World Order. You may leave now.


185 posted on 10/28/2013 10:23:44 AM PDT by B4Ranch (AGENDA: Grinding America Down ----- <<http://vimeo.com/63749370)
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To: G Larry

Both disrespectful and careless. Any criminal that warrants that type of aggression could have turned that scene ugly.


186 posted on 10/28/2013 10:24:30 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: Lazamataz
That's not 'The Police', its: Hair Gel Cop.

That's what *real* Chi Coppers call the young f--king newbs who are all full of p..s-and-vinegar, can recite the CPD Manual in Latin, have the IL Criminal Statutes tattooed on their scrotum and would give their grandmother a Parking ticket. They also like cargo pants & sneakers, wear their CPD ball-caps backwards, like hanging their star from a chain everywhere they go, always carry their gun exposed, and use hair gel by the bucket load.

For the 'real police' see the best Cop Blog in the USA: Second City Cop. Its by The Police, for the police (mostly), and where rooks and hair gel a--holes take a verbal beating. SCC is also where the CPD brass lurk to get the mood of the real cops. [PRO 2A Cops who want Citizens to carry, they detest Supt McJersey & loathe Tiny Dancer and 'the Daley machine']

[SCC is where I start my day to get Chi news, and the *real* skinny on crime in Chiraq ]

187 posted on 10/28/2013 10:25:36 AM PDT by Condor51 (Si vis pacem, para bellum.)
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To: nuconvert

What is your definition of “non-cooperative”?


188 posted on 10/28/2013 10:27:34 AM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: Pan_Yan

You are so right


189 posted on 10/28/2013 10:28:20 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: null and void; Travis McGee

I’ve been on the receiving end of that sort of behavior.

When I was a little kid and we lived in Nigeria in the middle of a military/army coup.

Every checkpoint in the capital cito was staffed by 8 or 10 ‘cops’. Each car would have 4 or 5 long guns trained on it. 2 or 3 on the driver (my mom) and 1 or 2 on the passengers. I was in the back seat. I was three or four years old at the time. I distinctly remember looking up gun barrels while my mom fished for her papers to pass through the checkpoint to take me to kindergarten.


190 posted on 10/28/2013 10:30:00 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Innovative

If they’re justified detaining and putting rifles in innocent peoples’ faces when officers are injured will they go on a rampage and kill innocent people when an officer is killed? What’s with the Einsatzgruppenn tactics?


191 posted on 10/28/2013 10:30:55 AM PDT by Justa
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To: Lazamataz
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192 posted on 10/28/2013 10:36:27 AM PDT by RetSignman (As Goes America, So Goes the World. A Communist America, A Communist World.)
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To: Lazamataz
The asswipe holding the rifle muzzle in the face of that motorist should be demoted to gardener. He's not qualified to handle a firearm. He should be charged with brandishing a weapon in a threatening manner. That's what would be applied to an ordinary citizen.
193 posted on 10/28/2013 10:38:36 AM PDT by Myrddin
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To: Lazamataz

Quietly take down the badge number and inform the officer that he will be hearing from your attorney regarding a violation of civil rights under the color of authority.


194 posted on 10/28/2013 10:41:18 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (ZeroCare: Make them pay; do not delay.)
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To: Lazamataz
Anyone who has not read The Rise of the Warrior Cop should buy it and read it now. This has been a long time coming.
195 posted on 10/28/2013 10:43:07 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (ZeroCare: Make them pay; do not delay.)
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To: Lazamataz

It’s not that bad. The fat guy in the SWAT costume reminds me of Chief Wiggum. Waive a bag of Doritos at him and drive through.

The other guy appears to be keeping an empty seat at bay. That scares me.


196 posted on 10/28/2013 10:48:34 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: Lazamataz

Well, clearly, the guy in the photo is guilty of DWW — Driving While White. Recently, we have had many attacks on senior white men by gangs of black gangsters. Those seniors have all been guilty of BWW — Breathing While White.


197 posted on 10/28/2013 10:49:51 AM PDT by Bigg Red (Let me hear what God the LORD will speak. -Ps85)
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To: Lazamataz

At least he did not have his finger on the trigger. That is about the only thing he did right.

I have been stopped by the cops a few times (Texas). When they come to the car I have my hands on the dash, and immediately tell them I am armed and where the weapon is. I then hand them my proof of insurance, drivers license and concealed carry permit that I have laid on the dash before they come to the window. These cops without exception treated me with respect and professionalism and the fact that I had a concealed carry got me out of a speeding ticket twice. Most of the cops in my state like honest armed citizens.

Texas State Troopers are the good guys.


198 posted on 10/28/2013 10:50:53 AM PDT by cpdiii (Deckhand, Roughneck, Mud Man, Geologist, Pilot, Pharmacist. THE CONSTITUTION IS WORTH DYING FOR!)
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To: Lazamataz

if i were the gentleman in the vehicle i would insist that he point the rifle away from me and then i would file every complaint against him to get him and his accomplice kicked off the force.


199 posted on 10/28/2013 10:52:07 AM PDT by teeman8r (Armageddon won't be pretty, but it's not like it's the end of the world.)
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To: Lazamataz

At that range the typical cop may hit the target 3 out
of 30 rounds fired. It’s really hard to have any respect
for law enforcement when they do things like this. That cop
is one worthless POS but then that would make him about
average.


200 posted on 10/28/2013 10:56:14 AM PDT by Slambat
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