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***[YOU MUST SEE THIS PHOTO]*** Suspect in Northern Calif. standoff surrenders
KNOX ^ | Oct 26, 2013

Posted on 10/28/2013 8:59:38 AM PDT by Lazamataz

Edited on 10/28/2013 9:45:58 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd
I've been through many military checkpoints in my life, and never, not even the day after 9/11, did the soldiers train a weapon on the vehicle or its occupants.

I know, bro. I went through Russia -- post-collapse -- for a few weeks and I never saw drawn-and-pointed rifles, but a few of the native citizens told me I missed that by only a few years.

This is Soviet behavior, and it has come to Amerika.

251 posted on 10/28/2013 1:23:36 PM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: Lazamataz

Yes it is.

Living in a Gulag Paradise


252 posted on 10/28/2013 1:25:46 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: nuconvert

253 posted on 10/28/2013 1:29:46 PM PDT by null and void (I'm betting on an Obama Trifecta: A Nobel Peace Prize, an Impeachment, AND a War Crimes Trial...)
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To: nuconvert
Why are you defending the indefensible? We are free citizens. We have rights given to us by God Himself, and the police have an obligation to fulfill their duties in a manner that respects said rights. Are we all suspects? Are we all guilty until proven innocent?

I understand, its dangerous out there for the police, especially in a place like California. But that doesn't change our rights. There is no draft in the police force. Nobody coerced these people into the job. If they can't fulfill their duties in the correct manner, they need to get a nice safe job ad let those who truly respect the rights of free citizens to enforce the law.

"mouthing off" and "being a dick" is not a shooting offense. The police are our equals, not our superiors. They have no special right to treat the rest of us like criminals, like crap, because they somebody pinned a badge on them.

The driver has his hands in full view. If he went for a gun, would the time its takes the officer to point his gun from a safe direction to the driver's head be the difference between life and death for the cop? Only if the cop is rustier than the tin man in the wizard of oz.

254 posted on 10/28/2013 1:35:16 PM PDT by Wyrd bi ful ard (Gone Galt, 11/07/12----No king but Christ! Don't tread on me!)
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To: null and void

>>What are the worst like, hmmmmmmm?

The exact same: belligerent, roid-ed up assholes with a chip on their shoulders who hear the “as long as you get home safely at night” mantra over and over again while being fed another stream of “there are two kinds of people: those on the job and perps”.

Then, they get to put on their ninja suits with all the pouches and pockets and run around pointing guns at taxpayers.

In other words, “a civilian army with the same equipment and training as the military”. Obama’s stormtroopers.


255 posted on 10/28/2013 1:40:00 PM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: Bryanw92
Thede guys?
“We cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we’ve set. We’ve got to have a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded.” Barack Hussein Obama, 7/2/2008
He doesn’t call it a Civil Defense force, that would imply we need (or perhaps that we deserve) defense.

The official name is National Civilian Community Corps.

I think of it as the NATCCC, or simply the NATCs...

256 posted on 10/28/2013 1:49:13 PM PDT by null and void (I'm betting on an Obama Trifecta: A Nobel Peace Prize, an Impeachment, AND a War Crimes Trial...)
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To: Bryanw92
These guys?
“We cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we’ve set. We’ve got to have a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded.” Barack Hussein Obama, 7/2/2008
He doesn’t call it a Civil Defense force, that would imply we need (or perhaps that we deserve) defense.

The official name is National Civilian Community Corps.

I think of it as the NatCCC, or simply the NatCs...

257 posted on 10/28/2013 1:51:09 PM PDT by null and void (I'm betting on an Obama Trifecta: A Nobel Peace Prize, an Impeachment, AND a War Crimes Trial...)
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To: null and void

Yep. Those guys. One day, all the myriad of federal LE agencies will suddenly show up in one uniform. Then, they nationalize the city cops. The Sheriff’s departments many hold out for a while, but they’ll just be disbanded or assimilated.

Instant “civilian” army and its already equipped with similar gear and weaponry (thanks to generous gummint grants over the past 20 years).


258 posted on 10/28/2013 1:52:37 PM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: Lazamataz

Jesus, Mary, and Joseph!

You’re right, Laz. That photo is a must see. I guess we can be thankful for small miracles in that his finger wasn’t on the trigger.


259 posted on 10/28/2013 1:55:04 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Power disintegrates when people withdraw their obedience and support)
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To: RKBA Democrat

Packin’ a gun and packin’ wood.

He really really really likes his job!


260 posted on 10/28/2013 1:57:21 PM PDT by null and void (I'm betting on an Obama Trifecta: A Nobel Peace Prize, an Impeachment, AND a War Crimes Trial...)
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To: nuconvert

“a federal immigration officer was shot and three local police officers were wounded” . Sounds like a pretty good reason, if the guy in the car was being uncooperative.

I’m curious. In which parallel dimension is it acceptable to put the muzzle of a firearm into someone’s face whom you don’t intend to shoot?

I mean that is basic firearms safety. That is so basic that any ten year old hunter knows it. Why is this cop excepted from common sense?


261 posted on 10/28/2013 2:06:47 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Power disintegrates when people withdraw their obedience and support)
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To: Lazamataz

Oh, mostly using my beloved chainsaw to fell diseased oak trees but also living a homeowner’s nightmare. This house is where things come to break. One appliance after another, one copper pipe after another. I love DIY projects, but this is beyond ridiculous.

Grrrrrrr!


262 posted on 10/28/2013 2:14:31 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind. ~Steve Earle)
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To: BuckeyeTexan
Yeah, but he has a rocket in his pocket. Either that or he enjoys his job a little too much.

Under mortal threat blood goes to the core, and dangly bits get smaller to protect them from attack.

That is evidence that the cop did not fear for his life.

This would only happen if the cop is excited and showing sexual dominance.

I hope the civilian sues.

We'll see if the evidence stands up in court.

263 posted on 10/28/2013 2:16:57 PM PDT by null and void (I'm betting on an Obama Trifecta: A Nobel Peace Prize, an Impeachment, AND a War Crimes Trial...)
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To: GeronL

The question alone provides the answer...


264 posted on 10/28/2013 2:34:26 PM PDT by Aevery_Freeman (DEAD: Glen Doherty and Tyrone Woods...killed by FObama and BHillery)
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To: Lazamataz

Rule #3: Never cover anything you aren’t willing to destroy. This cop was willing to destroy.


265 posted on 10/28/2013 2:42:18 PM PDT by GeorgiaDawg32 (www.greenhornshooting.com)
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To: Justa
That sounds like my story. I was with the 901st MI BN and running with JSOC as a THT team leader (Tactical Humint Team).

We almost got lit up at a checkpoint because we dropped our RF card and both leaned down to get it while rolling forward. We had ANPVS7s on and we saw a whole damn squad "wake up" and paint us with their PEQ4s.

Yeah...I crapped my pants....ain't afraid to admit it.

266 posted on 10/28/2013 2:49:12 PM PDT by DCBryan1 (No realli, moose bytes can be quite nasti!!)
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To: Psalm 73

If I remember correctly, members of the California Highway Patrol were sent to New Orleans in the aftermath of Katrina to “help” with the gun grabbing from local citizens.

That was an outrageous act and so is this.


267 posted on 10/28/2013 3:22:55 PM PDT by july4thfreedomfoundation (The Second Amendment makes all the other amendments possible)
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To: real saxophonist

I remember a thread here on FR about a year ago about the cops in Aurora, Colorado looking for a bank robber. It had an image of a young man with his hand up as he exited his vehicle, the barrel of a firearm pointed at his face by one of Aurora’s “finest.”

They closed down a street, and ordered scores of people to get out of their vehicles at gunpoint. Men, women and children had rifles and shotguns pointed at their faces and were forced to sit down on the side of the street. How elderly people were supposed to comply, and disabled younger people, I have no idea.

They caught the bank robber, but I couldn’t help but wonder at what potential cost. Perhaps it’s better to let a criminal escape that terrorize scores of innocent people and endanger their lives.


268 posted on 10/28/2013 3:37:33 PM PDT by july4thfreedomfoundation (The Second Amendment makes all the other amendments possible)
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To: rktman

Relax, that’s nothing compared to when duck season opens.


269 posted on 10/28/2013 3:58:58 PM PDT by bayouranger (Those who are anti-islam are a National Security Threat.- J.Brennan CIA Dir. Feb10)
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd

“The driver has his hands in full view”

AT the time this photo was snapped, yes. We have no idea what went on prior.


270 posted on 10/28/2013 3:59:40 PM PDT by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: nuconvert
We can debate ad infinitum what happened before the photo was taken, but there is no denying what we actually do see in the photo. The fact that the officers and the guy look fairly calm leads me to believe that there was no serious noncompliance before the photo was taken. Especially since the guy is still sitting in his car, as opposed to lying on the pavement in handcuffs.

All parties involved look to be in a casual attitude, and the cop has the rifle casually pointed at the man's head.

I know several cops, and none of them would train a gun on a person unless that person presents an actual threat, which is as it should be.

271 posted on 10/28/2013 6:10:18 PM PDT by Wyrd bi ful ard (Gone Galt, 11/07/12----No king but Christ! Don't tread on me!)
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To: Lazamataz

“. . . .Presently, the spark shall come.”

Oddly enough, that’s what keeps me going these days.

There are too many abuses of the People, too many insults, too many demands. Do I prefer tyranny and the police state over how lives could be changed from the alternative?

In a word. No.


272 posted on 10/28/2013 6:10:31 PM PDT by KittenClaws ( Normalcy Bias. Do you have it?)
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To: july4thfreedomfoundation

Sigh. Typo.

Last line should read, “than terrorize scores of innocent people,” not “that.”


273 posted on 10/28/2013 6:32:47 PM PDT by july4thfreedomfoundation (The Second Amendment makes all the other amendments possible)
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To: Lazamataz
“And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?... The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation.... We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.”

― Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

274 posted on 10/28/2013 6:36:56 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Ted Cruz/Sarah Palin 2016)
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To: Lazamataz

Jeepers ... thanks for the ping!


275 posted on 10/28/2013 7:31:11 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: null and void

Yep. My point exactly. He was enjoying himself. Either that or he was wearing oddly shaped body armor. He was certainly wearing a vest - the outline is visible.


276 posted on 10/28/2013 7:50:38 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind. ~Steve Earle)
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To: Lazamataz

I remember when the rule of thumb for all military and police was to never point a rifle at something unless you intended to fire it, because if you did aim it and you didn’t, and it was a bad guy, you just made yourself a target to him. Meanwhile, if you aimed it at a friendly, you risked a bad guy shooting both of you and a friendly was placed at risk.

In boot camp, or in a grunt company, it was a good way to earn a week’s worth of EMI.


277 posted on 10/28/2013 7:58:16 PM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: Lazamataz
That goes well with this =>

Watertown, Mass.

278 posted on 10/28/2013 8:15:39 PM PDT by Ken H (First rule of gun safety - have a gun)
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To: bayouranger

Believe me. I been in da bayous when the ducks fly. LOL!


279 posted on 10/28/2013 9:06:19 PM PDT by rktman (Inergalactic background checks? King hussein you're first up.)
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To: Lazamataz

I’m probably going to take some flak for saying this, but while the camera angle makes it look like the barrel of the gun is pointed right in the citizen’s face, it may well actually be pointed closer to the left rear tire, or even further away from the vehicle. Such is the nature of such camera shots at times.

I have no idea if anyone else has broached this thought, and I’m too close to hitting the sack to read through a couple hundred posts tonight.


280 posted on 10/28/2013 9:15:39 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: NEMDF
“a checkpoint near the neighborhood where a federal immigration officer was shot and three local police officers were wounded during a violent confrontation with a suspect in the Sacramento suburb of Roseville on Friday, Oct. 25, 2013. “

Just how would you approach an unknown subject knowing the above facts?

281 posted on 10/28/2013 9:39:10 PM PDT by chooseascreennamepat (Either)
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To: Lazamataz

I’ve read thru 280 plus post to this photo. So many wafflers, so many seeing is not believing...

Look at the photo, at the reflection in the drivers side door. The pin-striping of the Hiway Patrolman’s pant leg is clearly visible. He is in fact within inches of the door. There is no photographic paralax, the muzzle of the carbine is directed at the driver. Not at the back seat, not at the back tire.


282 posted on 10/29/2013 1:44:05 AM PDT by XHogPilot
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To: All

[from article linked below]

The manhunt was reminiscent of what was seen in the Los Angeles area earlier this year, where police sought an ex-cop named Christopher Dorner. During that manhunt, police shot up 3 innocent people in separate incidents, misidentifying their targets’ identity, gender, vehicle, and race.

Police show particular ferocity during manhunts involving one of their own was wounded by the suspect.

Duran was a dangerous suspect and wounded several officers in his apprehension. But danger is not a valid reason to treat innocent people like criminals and force them look down the barrel of a rifle while driving down a public street.

Duran was a Hispanic suspect with a shaved head. Clearly the motorist being threatened at the checkpoint in the photo above did not match Duran’s description. California Highway Patrol had no reason to stop him and certainly no reason to point their rifles at him. It is grossly negligent to point a rifle at anything you aren’t willing to destroy.

At any given time there are numerous wanted criminals on the loose all over the country. We must ensure that our rights aren’t discarded just because of fear and danger.

http://www.policestateusa.com/2013/innocent-citizens-held-at-gunpoint-in-terrifying-california-checkpoints/


283 posted on 10/29/2013 5:03:45 AM PDT by deks
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To: Lazamataz
I showed this photo to my wife. Until 2001, she lived in Ukraine, and grew up in The Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic. Her reaction was, "This was normal for me. Whether or not guns were out, you feared militia. They do what they want." (Militia being what they call police there.)

There have been a LOT of things I've been showing or telling her lately where she says that's the way things were when she was growing up.

It has been slowly getting worse over the past several decades. The acceleration into tyranny the past 10 years has been astonishing and depressing.

284 posted on 10/29/2013 7:12:34 AM PDT by WildSnail (The US government now has more control over the people than the old Soviet Union ever dreamed of)
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To: WildSnail

You’re lucky, your wife can doubtless get you into the Ukraine.


285 posted on 10/29/2013 3:37:13 PM PDT by null and void (I'm betting on an Obama Trifecta: A Nobel Peace Prize, an Impeachment, AND a War Crimes Trial...)
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To: nuconvert

Bootlicker....


286 posted on 10/29/2013 9:02:47 PM PDT by freebilly (Creepy and the Ass Crackers....)
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To: Lazamataz

The only time I have had a gun pointed at me was at a road block in Mexico. It was the Mexican Army and they held us while our truck was searched. They didn’t find anything and let us go but it almost scared me to death.

This happened in 1984 I would be even more scared if it happened today.


287 posted on 10/29/2013 9:10:52 PM PDT by Ditter
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To: Lazamataz

If it were the other way around, the media would have no problem pointing out the obvious.


288 posted on 10/29/2013 9:29:23 PM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: GeronL

“Or is the fall inevitable?”
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Not exactly, I believe the word implies future. The fall has already happened.


289 posted on 10/30/2013 4:59:29 AM PDT by RipSawyer (The TREE currently falling on you actually IS worse than a Bush.)
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