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Top Democrat Strategist: The ‘Dem Party is F****d’
tpnn.com ^ | 10/28/13 | Greg Campbell, TPNN Political Analyst

Posted on 10/28/2013 8:49:03 PM PDT by Nachum

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To: RFEngineer; Tzimisce

An idiot for taking you two at your word? You’re telling me and every other disabled veteran and military retiree that we’re the same as a welfare queen. I’m idiotic for understanding where you’re coming from?


101 posted on 10/29/2013 1:35:33 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Ted Cruz/Sarah Palin 2016)
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To: Windflier

“You Lied To Us!”

That is one conclusion the previously deluded understand now. It is personal for them now. They were LIED TO, deceived, treated as fools, taken advantage of by those they trusted.

No wrath like . . . a true believer scorned?


102 posted on 10/29/2013 1:40:28 PM PDT by AMDG&BVMH (wE)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“I’m idiotic for understanding where you’re coming from?”

No. The reason that you’re an idiot is that you’re unwilling to accept the fact that “your check” comes from somebody’s productive work.

As there are fewer productive taxpayers, there becomes less money to pay everyone else “their check”.

You don’t seem to see the problem, and instead try to drape yourself in the very real sacrifices of others, many true heroes, in an attempt to defend “your check”. So, you’re an idiot.

Now, if you want to have a more rational discussion of things, I’m willing to explain it to you again.

“your check” comes from somebody else. If you squeeze that somebody else too hard, he won’t give you money for “your check”.

Do you understand now? This discussion, if we were able to have it on a national/political basis would do more to preserve “your check” than anything else. But we can’t have that discussion, can we? That was my point.

Every other check recipient feels exactly like you, making it impossible to even discuss the issue, and making resolution an even more distant dream.


103 posted on 10/29/2013 2:05:10 PM PDT by RFEngineer
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To: RFEngineer

As always the answer is we need government policies that get more people working


104 posted on 10/29/2013 2:11:34 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: RFEngineer

Oh, now you’re saying that my military service was shit and I’m “draping” myself in the sacrifice of heroes? And every other check recipient, down to the worst of the moochers, feels that their government stipend is the equal of mine and just as deserved? Seriously? Did you serve beside me? If not, what the #*^! do you know about my time in the armed forces?


105 posted on 10/29/2013 2:12:33 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Ted Cruz/Sarah Palin 2016)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Oh, now you’re saying that my military service was shit and I’m “draping” myself in the sacrifice of heroes?”

I’m definitely saying you are draping yourself in the sacrifice of heroes, yes, to defend “your check”.

The rest is your hysterical extrapolation.


106 posted on 10/29/2013 2:19:01 PM PDT by RFEngineer
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To: GeronL

“As always the answer is we need government policies that get more people working”

Exactly. Otherwise it degrades to fighting over a diminishing taxbase, and “checks”.


107 posted on 10/29/2013 2:20:27 PM PDT by RFEngineer
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To: RFEngineer

FOAD


108 posted on 10/29/2013 2:20:31 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Ted Cruz/Sarah Palin 2016)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Best wishes to you as well.


109 posted on 10/29/2013 2:44:33 PM PDT by RFEngineer
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To: RFEngineer

I suggest you two head to a veteran’s day parade and ask them all why they think they deserve whatever they get from all those taxpayers and how they sleep at night.


110 posted on 10/29/2013 2:46:38 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Ted Cruz/Sarah Palin 2016)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“I suggest you two head to a veteran’s day parade and ask them all why they think they deserve whatever they get from all those taxpayers and how they sleep at night.”

You are dreaming up a debate that nobody else but you is having. While we are on the subject, why do you insist on trying to use others honorable service in defense of “your check”? Stop it. Really. Just stop it.

Cash “your check” and be happy. Nobody said you shouldn’t.


111 posted on 10/29/2013 2:59:49 PM PDT by RFEngineer
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To: Windflier

The funny thing about people is that the Big Lies are believed.

No one remembers that Obama said that “You can keep your plan”. Many are thinking “Well, I always knew I would lose my plan, but the new exchanges will be BETTER!”

I have had three vendors state that to me in the last few weeks, even though the same people said the OPPOSITE thing only three months ago. They don’t remember saying it.

The perception is that the GOP, and Bush, caused the current health care crisis. Enough people will believe that because the talking head on the MSM said it.


112 posted on 10/29/2013 3:14:16 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; RFEngineer

I think the point is that to the person getting the check, they deserved. Never mind it came from someone else.

Personally I have no issue with most military benefits, but to expand it out to say, the cop down the street or the old teacher next door, all those checks came from someone currently working.

That isn’t sustainable. That is why pensions died in the private sector.

Now we have a duty to help those injured in the service of the county. That is part of morality (same as I have a duty for people injured in my employ). But in the you need to close the cash balance.


113 posted on 10/29/2013 3:19:28 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I'm talking to YOU 2ndDivionVet

I'm trying to survive too!

I'm feeling the weight of CRUSHING taxes and regulations - all being done in the name of helping people like you!

You're living off the rest of us and you have no sympathy, no compassion, no care for how any of this is effecting the rest of us?????????

Well it proves my original point: You don't care about anything getting your government check.

Thank you for proving my point.
114 posted on 10/29/2013 8:31:46 PM PDT by Tzimisce
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To: WayneS

The amount someone puts in to social security or military retirement is a tiny fraction of what they will take out.

The first step to fixing a problem is admitting you have one.

I don’t think the people of this nation are ready to admit they love government spending.


115 posted on 10/29/2013 8:34:47 PM PDT by Tzimisce
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Yep - everyone has their sob story, so no one is ever going to be asked to take their hands out.

So I guess we’ll just go bankrupt.

But you’ll get to keep your checks eh? :)


116 posted on 10/29/2013 8:35:57 PM PDT by Tzimisce
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To: Tzimisce

You are not being crushed by the Veterans. You are being crushed by illegals, welfare moms, beach bums, alcoholics, drug addicts, etc. that this country feels we owe a living to that we don’t owe a damn thing. You are being crushed by layers upon layers of corruption that lines the pockets of politicians at every level.

Veterans have paid for every cent they get with blood, sweat, and tears defending jerks like you that do not have a clue.


117 posted on 10/29/2013 8:42:38 PM PDT by Tammy8
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To: Tzimisce

Becoming disabled in the service of the United States is a “sob story” to you? Sounds like you belong at DU or Daily Kos.


118 posted on 10/29/2013 8:57:11 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Ted Cruz/Sarah Palin 2016)
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To: RFEngineer

As far as I know, no one is getting a monthly check just for being a Veteran. There are indeed things that qualify certain Veterans to get checks, and rightly so.

I have no idea why when the issue of government payouts comes up people always leap to Social Security and Veterans as a place to cut, top of the list- WHY?

I freely admit to drawing a line in the sand with politicians and people like you that want to cut government checks. Why don’t you first get the illegals off the dole? Are you doing anything at all in that direction? Have you ever? How about getting the real moochers off? Do you raise these points with your elected officials? Until the illegals and the moochers are off the dole, I personally don’t want to hear a word about Veteran’s payments or retired or disabled people that worked and paid in to Social Security.

When people start with people who have served their country and qualified for Veteran’s benefits, or people that have worked many years and paid into a system that they were forced to pay into- to me that shoots all credibility that the person bringing that up is serious about cutting monies.

Don’t you understand that the libs are the ones that have lumped together Veterans and seniors with deadbeats? The liberals change the language- call it all entitlements no matter what it is...you fell for it. They call illegal aliens immigrants for the same reason. Confuse people and they will eat their own first it seems.


119 posted on 10/29/2013 9:02:54 PM PDT by Tammy8
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To: Tammy8

“people like you that want to cut government checks”

I want to cut spending. I want to prioritize. Why don’t you?


120 posted on 10/30/2013 3:32:12 AM PDT by RFEngineer
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To: Tzimisce

I don’t recall mentioning social security.


121 posted on 10/30/2013 4:58:37 AM PDT by WayneS (No problem is so great that it cannot be made worse by having Barack Obama try to solve it.)
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To: Tzimisce

PS - It is obvious you have NO idea how much some people put in to their military service.

You come across as very ungrateful to those who have made incredible sacrifices to protect this country, and by those sacrifices apparently allowing you to make such a good living that we won’t have to worry about you collecting any “government checks” when you retire.

That is correct, isn’t it? YOU’RE never going to accept ANY “government checks”, right?

PPS - Now that YOU have mentioned SS, I will relate a little story to you. Ten years ago, upon receiving my annual status report from the SS Administration, I offered them a deal. They would return every penny which I had to date contributed to SS, and they would take no more money from me. in return, I would agree to be rendered ineligible for benefits for the remainder of my life. They turned me down.

So yes, I’ll be taking a SS check when [if] I become eligible, because I ALWAYS try to recover property that has been stolen from me. If you can’t understand that, then I certainly can’t help you with your problem.


122 posted on 10/30/2013 5:10:51 AM PDT by WayneS (No problem is so great that it cannot be made worse by having Barack Obama try to solve it.)
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To: RFEngineer

I do want to cut spending. So you are saying you want to prioritize starting with Veterans? Your priorities are far different than mine.


123 posted on 10/30/2013 5:19:53 AM PDT by Tammy8
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To: B4Ranch

“So but I can’t handle Boehner or McCain, Issa or 90% of the rest of them any longer.”

Bully. Be prepared for Dem rule for years to come then. That’s the reality, buddy, whether you like it or not.


124 posted on 10/30/2013 5:46:43 AM PDT by flaglady47 (When the gov't fears the people, liberty; When the pemople fear the gov't, tyranny.)
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To: flaglady47

A RINO is a Dem in false clothing. There’s no difference.


125 posted on 10/30/2013 7:39:40 AM PDT by B4Ranch (AGENDA: Grinding America Down ----- <<http://vimeo.com/63749370)
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To: Tammy8

“I do want to cut spending. So you are saying you want to prioritize starting with Veterans? Your priorities are far different than mine.”

Where did you learn how to debate? An Elementary School playground?

If you want to have a serious discussion, grow up, and then lets have it. This is a serious issue that is completely over your head, apparently.


126 posted on 10/30/2013 8:12:29 AM PDT by RFEngineer
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To: B4Ranch

“A RINO is a Dem in false clothing. There’s no difference.”

Fine, vote for Hillary in 2016. After all, there’s no difference.


127 posted on 10/30/2013 9:06:54 AM PDT by flaglady47 (When the gov't fears the people, liberty; When the pemople fear the gov't, tyranny.)
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To: RFEngineer

You are the one that has taken the talking points from the dims on cutting spending. The dims like to lump everyone together that gets a check for anything from the government. They do that so their pet giveaways don’t get touched. If anyone talks about cutting any thing they scream that money will be cut from military/veterans and old people. You have fallen into their trap of thinking a government check is a government check- same/same, cut them all. I am the one that brought up priorities and my priority is to cut illegals, deadbeats and the like off the top and see where we are at that point. Veterans and seniors should be the very last to be cut in my opinion but you seem to not feel the same way. We can agree to disagree but you are the one that didn’t mention priorities.


128 posted on 10/30/2013 2:35:42 PM PDT by Tammy8
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To: Tammy8

“You are the one that has taken the talking points from the dims on cutting spending”

I don’t recall you asking. You certainly didn’t get that from reading my posts.


129 posted on 10/30/2013 3:26:18 PM PDT by RFEngineer
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