Skip to comments.Top Democrat Strategist: The ‘Dem Party is F****d’
Posted on 10/28/2013 8:49:03 PM PDT by Nachum
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Well, don’t be surprised if you get a couple of conservative visitors when the SWTF....
We should be fine right where we are, I am a guy that likes contingency plans for everything. And, if you guys ever have to head west, we have room and are set up for visitors.
SWTF =SHTF..... LOL I run into these issues when I type after taking my sleeping pills.... kinda feel drunk, so I better head to bead.
This is exactly what the problem is. If McCain and Romney are the best the Republican Party has to offer, then it is America that is f**ked. The Dems will still win the presidency in 2016.
“he Republican Party has morphed into a spineless, neutered co party of the Rats. I wouldnt call that a win for us Conservatives either. The economy is in a shambles. The morality and ethics of the population is sickening with queers and perverts in every public high office. The public education system is under a Common Core corrupt code. The Justice Dept is in collusion with the establishment bankers. No, thats not my idea of a win.”
Ok, vote Democrat or third party and see how much your vote counts. Be prepared for 4 more years of commie/pinko Dem rule if you do.
I don’t think the op was attacking those with legitimate cause, if so he was wrong in his comment. With that said even those with legitimate cause are still part of the 49% number. Social Security or disability does not exclude you from the list but it does give legitimate reason to be on it. When I retire in a couple of years my name will be added to that list.
“Soon enough, millions of people will be unable to obtain vital medicines and urgent medical care because theyve lost the insurance they had, and cant afford the grossly inflated prices of Obamacare compliant policies.
County hospitals are going to fill to overflowing and many private hospitals will go broke under the new rules. Were going to start seeing horror stories of real pain and death because of this stupid, stupid law.”
Coming January 2nd to a facility near you! Unless and until some pol is forcibly removed from his/her home or office, stripped naked, duct taped to a chair and tortured relentlessly, the message will not be received loud and clear. The pols, the ones responsible for this “act”, need to truly understand the shitstorm they are releasing on this country. And Pelosi wants to include “free child care”? I submit we crossed the rubicon long ago.
“Theyre all Marxists, fascists and communists now.”
While fascism may be incompatible with the Founding Fathers’ views, it rose during tumultuous times to defend the middle and upper classes (and protect their private property rights) against Bolshevism. They shouldn’t be lumped with Dems today; the Dems don’t deserve the same characterization.
Here in NJ we’ve lost many private hospitals already; the same state that required them to treat illegals steadily reduced the reimbursement for doing so until they shut their doors. In my town our only hospital fought to erect a large parking garage in a residential neighborhood, then closed a few years sticking the neighborhood with this giant eyesore. Now we have to enter the welfare reservations to use a hospital...
Along with their lemming armies.
If “that grouping” were not so very large, getting lumped in would not be notable. Of course some receiving checks from the gov is good, as you deserve it. Alas, the grouping is overwhelmed with the undeserving, and constantly qualifying statements is awkward in casual conversation. Thanks to the undeserving, your checks might just end as the money has already run out (the pipeline just hasn’t emptied yet).
“I cant see how the Democrats can avoid this thing back-firing on their party. I can see thousands of people camped out at their congress critters offices demanding they DO something to fix the situation.”
You answered your own question. Dems will avoid this by constituents demanding they “do something”, which they will, rearranging the pain to satiate the complainers and irritate someone else, repeating the cycle and imputing blame on the Right. Always works. Nobody cares how the problem happened, only that “somebody DO something”.
I think both parties are in it deep. They are racing to see who gets to the bottom of the manure pit.
“I get a government check for my veterans disability.”
Government checks of all kinds - in aggregate - skew the recipients attitudes to be more favorable to the status quo and the continued receipt (and growth) of those government checks. Do you honestly believe otherwise? Remember, I said “in aggregate” and not making any statement of individuals.
The point is that in the end somebody has to make the money that is taken to fund the government check. We don’t have enough of those “sombody’s”. 49% receive welfare, according to recent statistics. There are also millions of government checks, like yours, that are not welfare that also must be funded by “somebody else”. The percentage is way over 50% of folks that receive “government checks” of all kinds - whether “deserved” or not. Use whatever standard you wish to determine who should get a check.
We do not have the money to pay them all. We do not have the political will to not pay them all, in fact we are making a concerted effort as a country to increase the number of people that get a “government check” of some sort.
I’m for reducing government to the point where we are paying down our debt, not growing it. I am one of the dwindling group of “somebody else”. I’m also a veteran.
If you can make the case that you should be given money that is taken from me - that I earned - no matter who you are and what the reason - feel free to make the case.
The conversation quickly becomes awkward in both directions.
I think we should have that conversation before we meet our collective doom and all the checks stop.
What is this "both parties" of which you speak? You have discovered a second party in American politics? Do tell!
The American "news" media.
They are first.
Maybe half a party, or a quarter...
Ok, you are right. The red wing of the ruling party.
The health care failure is only bad for the Dems if it gets blamed on them.
I heard yesterday that 22% of Democrats are Communists. I’d put that statistic on the low end but high for what America once was.
And the 1968 revolutionaries in Amerika WERE naked Communists. Mao spouting, Marx quoting, Viet Cong flag waving, Castro worshipping COMMIES.
Maybe that's when it completely died, but the fatal disease was introduced about 10 years earlier, when they discovered that they could indeed get away with anything they wanted, as long as they stick together, and that the media was enough in control to run interference for them.
From that point on, they've lost all semblance of self-restraint.
don’t worry....bonehead in the house will bail them out somehow with this talk of amnesty/immigration reform.
the single dumbest thing to do in politics is to change the topic when your opponent is drowning. and the gop wants to do just that.
"Hello, my name is Sandra F**K"
Alfred E. Obama. Perfect!
My post and complaint was toward the asinine assertion in Post #6.
Tzimisce says “49% of the people in this nation are getting government checks. None of those people care about anything our government does as long as the checks keep coming.”
It is not only those on the left that plays fast and loose with facts and figures to exaggerate their pinhead point.
Did nobama increase the welfare rolls? Certainly, but not to half the population as some try to claim and who either conveniently leave out that a significant percentage of gubmit payments go to SS or somehow incorrectly claim SS and Medicare is welfare.
When Americans begin dying because the government took their health care away from them (which they truly are), the lives of Democrats who voted for this evil aren't going to be worth spit.
Democrat voters won't be the only ones demanding a solution. Plenty of our folks are going to get hurt by this too, and they're not going to abide the sort of 'solution' the Commiecrats will offer.
The country is going to explode over this. The fallout is going to be tremendous.
Absolutely on everyone’s “To Do” list.
Oh, it's as predictable as the rising of the sun, that the Dems will seek to concoct a saleable theory that pins all of the blame for the hurt on the Republicans, big insurance, Dubya, the Tea Party, Jim Rob.
Well, maybe not Jim Rob, but only because they won't remember to add his name to the pile.
The thing is, the left isn't even particularly savvy or smooth about how they conduct that sort of anti-right propaganda. In fact, they're downright inept and sloppy as hell about it. You've got gov't droids now trying to spin away Obama's promise that people could keep their health plans if they liked them. They're forcing talk radio to play the clips of Obama making that promise. Doesn't matter. The leftoid droids keep spinning anyway.
It's like the kid who's caught with his hand in the cookie jar, with oreo crumbs all over his face, who says, "I didn't steal any cookies!" They lie right to our faces with the clear evidence of their guilt in plain sight.
The Republicans are going to have do something extraordinary for once -- fight back.
And all three of those "factions" are trying to outdo each other in the destruction of America.
Their hubris has come out to taunt every American and stick a finger in our eye. I'll bet 90%
of people under 45 have no clue about the dangers of those factions. Extreme dangers of the past.
The middle class has always subsidized health care for the poor. It was just done in a different style. Here's how it worked... poor people would go to an emergency room for a bad cold - they'd be treated, cared for and dismissed with a bill of a few thousand dollars (rather than the $90 doctor bill they would have received from a private physician).
The poor person doesn't pay the outragous bill of $3,000 to treat a cold and the hospital "writes it off" their taxes... All doctors paid, hospital gets rich (but not on the books) and poor have health care.
The big difference with ObamaCare is the Government gets a cut of the action... a big 'cut' - at a big cost to the middle class.
It's gonna hurt 'em sick - even the MSM won't lie for democrats on this one.
If that was directed at me, you can go straight to Hell. I have no shame, NONE, in cashing my piddly-ass check for services rendered to the United States. Lumping us in with moochers, welfare cheats, disability frauds, food stamp abusers, fakers on workman’s comp, welfare queens and other individuals (many of them able-bodied and young) as someone with hands in the money pot is beyond disgraceful! So you’re wishing homelessness and death on me? Great to hear! No wonder so many people in this country have a bad taste in their mouth about conservatives.
You can vote for AMNESTY for the illegals (the Establishment Republican Party plan) and I’ll vote against it. You contribute to the Establishment Republican Party and I’ll contribute directly to individuals who express the Tea Party ideas.
So but I can’t handle Boehner or McCain, Issa or 90% of the rest of them any longer.
I'll bet you're right. Most of those people are lost in "smart" phone land and haven't got a clue.
The democrats will own Obamacare and pay dearly for it but the Republicans seem intent on a GOPe / conservative self-destructive split.
Which party will self destruct first?
I hope you meant to say “unearned government checks”
Great numbers of military retirees and veterans have EARNED their “government checks”, and they may resent being lumped in with the permanent welfare class.
Same to you buddy. See, like I said, you can’t talk to folks about “their” checks. You did bring it up, though.
As much as you may or may not deserve “your” check, you have to realize that somebody has to pay for it.
It’s not a commentary on anything but that, but your reaction makes the greater point that your check influences your behavior.
I think it is more likely that she changed the pronunciation of her last name because she is obsessed with sex.
I have known several people over the years with the last name Fluke, and NONE of them asked that their name be pronounced to rhyme with “duck”
” America worked best when the government was not involved in the charity. “
I agree with you on this.
Nobody is talking about combat-wounded being denied support - we should be worried about this. If we do not reign in government checks to the overwhelming majority of Americans who benefit from them, the day will come (who knows when specifically) when the checks for even catastrophically wounded veterans will stop (or become worthless)
That is when we will all need to reclaim the spirit of charity that, as you point out, has been co-opted and destroyed by government.
I don't know, but until Dems + GOP <218 House seats, we will never regain our freedom.
The other Democratic strategists told the Democrats to “own” Obamacare all summer and that was the path to retaking the House. Who to believe?
So to you two, a guy who had his limbs blown off in Iraq or Afghanistan is a “taker” just like the 22 year old female down the block spitting out kids and sopping up that TANF and EBT money? Gotcha!
You’re an idiot.