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‘Riots always begin typically the same way’: food stamp shutdown looms Friday
Salon ^ | October 28, 2013 | Josh Eidelson

Posted on 10/28/2013 9:58:53 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

Food stamp recipients face a massive benefit cut set to kick in when stimulus funds expire Friday. The nationwide cut “is equivalent to about 16 meals a month for a family of three,” according to a Center on Budget and Policy Priorities analysis using the USDA’s “Thrifty Food Plan.” CBPP called the roughly $5 billion annual cut to the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program “unprecedented” in “depth and breadth.”

“If you look across the world, riots always begin typically the same way: when people cannot afford to eat food,” Margarette Purvis, the president and CEO of the Food Bank for New York City, told Salon Monday. Purvis said that the looming cut would mean about 76 million meals “that will no longer be on the plates of the poorest families” in NYC alone – a figure that outstrips the total number of meals distributed each year by the Food Bank for New York City, the largest food bank in the country. “There will be an immediate impact,” she said.

“The fact that they’re going to lose what’s basically an entire week’s worth food” each month, said Purvis, “it’s pretty daunting.” She told Salon that while policymakers “are attempting to punish people for being poor,” and “people are comforted by believing that they know that a person has to have done something wrong in order to be poor,” in reality, “I can tell you that more and more folks have more than one job and are still needing help.”(continued)

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: ebt; foodstamps; kenyanbornmuzzie; obama; obamanation; obamarecession; poverty
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Black is white, up is down. Anyone else here old enough to remember when being on aid was looked down upon?
1 posted on 10/28/2013 9:58:53 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Bout time they had to eat ramen like the working class.


2 posted on 10/28/2013 10:00:57 PM PDT by rawcatslyentist (Jeremiah 50:32 "The arrogant one will stumble and fall ; / ?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It’s not a cut, it is the end of a temporary increase enacted with “Stimulus”


3 posted on 10/28/2013 10:02:42 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Now it’s being encouraged.


4 posted on 10/28/2013 10:03:03 PM PDT by ConjunctionJunction
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Time to learn to budget then.


5 posted on 10/28/2013 10:04:02 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Yes, an $11 a month reduction, who wouldn't riot?

LOL

Normal people... I mean the minority of people who have jobs have seen their income reduced a lot more than that

6 posted on 10/28/2013 10:04:02 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

What utter poppycock! This is a 5% cut, at most.

Methinks there are few too many drama queens. VUt out the smokes, cable Tv or cell phone, you’ll find all kinds of money for the bacon....


7 posted on 10/28/2013 10:04:17 PM PDT by ASOC (What are you doing now that Mexico has become OUR Chechnya?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Salon trying to spark riots, eh? That would fall under the “levying war against” the USA charge, more so than a charge of “aid and comfort”.


8 posted on 10/28/2013 10:07:16 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: ASOC; Travis McGee; Old Sarge; bgill; blam; ChocChipCookie; Marcella; Bride Of Old Sarge; ...


Did you ever here of a riot that start by something that made sense?
9 posted on 10/28/2013 10:08:52 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Anyone else here old enough to remember when being on aid was looked down upon?”

Plenty of pre-1965 films have that message, so the younger set can still get a glimpse of America when it was free! ;)


10 posted on 10/28/2013 10:08:52 PM PDT by Frank_2001
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The people I see in checkout lines using EBT cards (food stamps) are usually fat and their carts are loaded with fatty, ready made, non-nutritious foods. $5 Billion is about 7% cut in food stamps. Might improve health of the overweight people.


11 posted on 10/28/2013 10:08:59 PM PDT by entropy12 (With no fear of re-election, Obama is becoming more radical left..thanks a lot all you who abstained)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It’ll be interesting to see pictures of these suggested riots. I bet half of the “starving masses” are obese.


12 posted on 10/28/2013 10:09:01 PM PDT by aquila48
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Arab Spring originally started over food prices.


13 posted on 10/28/2013 10:10:12 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: Kartographer
here hear

A good sign its time to got to bed!
14 posted on 10/28/2013 10:10:59 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: ASOC

It is 5.5% overall but an individual benefit can be cut much more than that. For a family of four getting $187 (common in my state) the $36 cut is significant. Not catastrophic, but significant.


15 posted on 10/28/2013 10:12:05 PM PDT by steve86 (Some things aren't really true but you wouldn't be half surprised if they were.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This sounds mainly like a wish for riots on the part of the liberal elites.

Notice how the article does not use any actual numbers. It’s says stuff like, 16 meals a month are lost. Or a week’s worth of food a month. And 70 million lost meals in NYC.

There are only 8 million people total in NYC.

The math adds up not at all to the extent there is any.

They obviously want to hide actual objective dollar amounts. My guess is the decrease is not a huge deal.

This is pure agitprop.


16 posted on 10/28/2013 10:12:27 PM PDT by ifinnegan
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“16 meals a month for a family of three.” How much is that in weed and Colt.45?


17 posted on 10/28/2013 10:12:50 PM PDT by clintonh8r (Don't twerk me, Bro!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I can’t wait to see the first Obamaville constructed. (search for Hooverville if you don’t recognize the reference)

That ought to be Obama’s shining glory. At last he will have a legacy worthy of his name.

There are probably some out there already but the press haven’t reported them.

18 posted on 10/28/2013 10:13:31 PM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If a 5% cut = “a weeks worth of food” these idiots are saying food stamp benefits are 5 times too high...

A knowledge of mathematics provides one a lot of hilarity.


19 posted on 10/28/2013 10:14:28 PM PDT by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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To: entropy12

I see people here in checkout lines with their EBT cards too, shopping at Whole Foods with expensive meat and other products in their carts..right to their new Mercedes Benz in the parking lot. I see it all the time..these people are not poor, they are just cheating the system, just like all Dems do


20 posted on 10/28/2013 10:20:15 PM PDT by Sarah Barracuda
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To: entropy12
“... their carts are loaded with fatty, ready made, non-nutritious foods.”

Given today's education levels, there's a good chance they don't know how to make rice or beans. Can openers might even be too much of a technological challenge.

21 posted on 10/28/2013 10:20:26 PM PDT by VanShuyten ("a shadow...draped nobly in the folds of a gorgeous eloquence.")
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To: rawcatslyentist

“Bout time they had to eat ramen like the working class.”

I am in the top 10% and I still eat ramen. You have to have some fresh or frozen vegetables to put in it to really make it good. Spinach does really well in ramen.


22 posted on 10/28/2013 10:20:47 PM PDT by staytrue
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To: GeronL

“Why don’t they just print more money?” ~ The Dumb Masses


23 posted on 10/28/2013 10:21:57 PM PDT by Pining_4_TX (All those who were appointed to eternal life believed. Acts 13:48)
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To: gaijin

Actually, the Arab Spring started when a Tunisian vendor set himself on fire in protest of a ridiculous bureaucrat and bureaucracy.


24 posted on 10/28/2013 10:26:14 PM PDT by Tea Party Terrorist (Why work for a living when you can vote for a living?)
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To: steve86

“It is 5.5% overall “

I hate to say this but the economy due to the democrats is so bad that the fed has been adding 85 billion a month to keep the thing going. The down side is that this money is causing food inflation. The overall inflation rate is low because telecomunications is getting cheaper along with flat screen tvs.

We need to be cutting spending on the US navy, EPA, college aid, govt. employees, etc. I am ok with food stamps provided we step up fraud prosecutions.


25 posted on 10/28/2013 10:26:26 PM PDT by staytrue
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To: ifinnegan

There were 8 million in NY in the 1960s. It’s more like 10 million now.


26 posted on 10/28/2013 10:27:09 PM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: staytrue

The packaged ramen is often full of msg.


27 posted on 10/28/2013 10:28:31 PM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: Kartographer

“Did you ever here of a riot that start by something that made sense? “

How come all the people in the pictures are black? There are more white people, numerically, on food stamps than blacks.


28 posted on 10/28/2013 10:28:54 PM PDT by babygene ( .)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
How many people receiving food stamps are making money on the side doing cash only business?

How many people could leech off a family member rather than the US taxpayers?

How many people might be encouraged to get a job and make a salary to pay for their own food?

How many fraudulent accounts would have less money to purchase non-essentials?

The article assumes that all of the money spent on food stamps actually goes for food that is required for sustenance. I'm sure a good portion does, but I'm sure a large portion also goes for waste, fraud and abuse.

It is a government program after all.

29 posted on 10/28/2013 10:33:37 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: steve86

Significant when you buy a dozen eggs and a small container of old fashioned oat meal for $4.50.


30 posted on 10/28/2013 10:34:55 PM PDT by huldah1776
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To: entropy12

Same here.

WalMart lobsters and so many 6 packs of soda they have them draped around the top of the shopping cart like saddlebags.

The “trains” of carts are what flip me out.

I can’t afford to fill *one* cart and they’re dragging 3 or 4 tied together.


31 posted on 10/28/2013 10:35:17 PM PDT by Salamander (Blue Oyster Cult Will Be The Soundtrack For The Revolution.....)
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To: babygene

I don’t know maybe the photgrapher was a racist and asked all the white rioters to step back while he took the picture?


32 posted on 10/28/2013 10:37:21 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Sarah Barracuda

You are so right. But then is it really a surprise since every government program is full of fraud and waste? Medicaid is estimated to contain 25% fraud!


33 posted on 10/28/2013 10:37:48 PM PDT by entropy12 (With no fear of re-election, Obama is becoming more radical left..thanks a lot all you who abstained)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
“If you look across the world, riots always begin typically the same way: when people cannot afford to eat food,” Margarette Purvis, the president and CEO of the Food Bank for New York City, told Salon Monday.

Translation: Freebies are just the price we must pay to prevent "the poor" from rioting.

Some people might view that as (very thinly veiled) extortion...

34 posted on 10/28/2013 10:42:35 PM PDT by AmericanExceptionalist (Democrats believe in discussing the full spectrum of ideas, all the way from far left to center-left)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
This reminds me of other “free” expansions that came with the Stimulus act. Temporary “free” money was offered to the states for their unemployment insurance programs. The catch was a whole new set of federal regulations including making part-time workers eligible for unemployment relief money.
35 posted on 10/28/2013 10:42:48 PM PDT by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: steve86

If one can’t feed a family of 4 on $150 a week...of my money...


36 posted on 10/28/2013 10:45:54 PM PDT by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Margarette Purvis could give them some of her food (white sweater).

37 posted on 10/28/2013 10:48:42 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: Eagles6
If one can’t feed a family of 4 on $150 a week...of my money...

That's the amount for a month.

Cordially, Steve86

38 posted on 10/28/2013 10:51:42 PM PDT by steve86 (Some things aren't really true but you wouldn't be half surprised if they were.)
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To: babygene

“How come all the people in the pictures are black?”
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I wonder the same thing. Maybe it is a store in Obumbo’s home country.


39 posted on 10/28/2013 10:54:27 PM PDT by AlexW
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To: steve86

Average full benefit is $50 per week per person.


40 posted on 10/28/2013 11:01:35 PM PDT by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux)
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To: Frank_2001
My parents grew up during the Depression. My paternal grandfather was able to find some work, but my maternal grandparents struggled, so at one point, they had to “go on relief” (that was the term back then).

My mother often spoke of the surprise inspections — how the inspectors went through everything in the house looking for some indication that the family was collecting assistance fraudulently. Once, am inspector found a new dress Grandma had made for my mother. The inspector thought it must have been bought at some high-priced store. Grandma had a heck of a time trying to explain that she had made the dress out of scraps of material and whatever she could find for buttons and accents.

The inspector didn't believe her, but he couldn't prove anything, so eventually he dropped the matter. But my mother said these inspections were humiliating. I think they scarred her in some way. When I was growing up, there were some hard times. My mother would go to great lengths to keep us afloat financially. She never wanted to have to go on government assistance ever again. I think some of her penny pinching has rubbed off on her children.

41 posted on 10/28/2013 11:03:25 PM PDT by fatnotlazy
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

A summary statistical report indicated that an average of 46.6 million people used the program in 2012, up from 26.3 million in 2007, a 77% increase.

Annual costs of program benefits paid to recipients 2005–2012. The amount increased 20% annually from 2007-2012.

Amounts paid to program beneficiaries rose from $28.6 billion in 2005 to $74.6 billion in 2012. From 2007-2012, benefits paid to program recipients increased by approximately 20% annually. In addition to benefits paid, there were other costs of approximately $3.8 billion in 2012.

The program costs have grown much more rapidly than several other safety net programs, due to these eligibility changes. For example, Veteran’s benefits grew 49% above inflation and population growth between 2007 and 2012, while SNAP grew 110%.

The USDA only reports direct fraud and trafficking in benefits, which was officially estimated at $858 million in 2012. The Cato Institute reports that there was another $2.2 billion in erroneous payouts in 2009. The organization claims that figure makes it one of the “most frequently abused non–health care social welfare programs,”


42 posted on 10/28/2013 11:04:56 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: Salamander

If people, as you say, can load up one, two, three carts of food at one time, pay for it with their EBT card, how much are they getting monthly from the government?

Remember that their purchases must be food only, and nothing more. Anything you purchase at the same time, like paper products, personal items, cleaning/dish/laundry products, must be paid for by the shopper. The purchase of these items with your EBT card will not be authorized. You will receive a receipt with a separate itemization of the items you purchased on the EBT card and the amount, and then if you purchase other items not covered by the EBT card, a separate itemizing of these purchased and the total will appear at the bottom of the receipt. I know of a disabled, widowed senior citizen in Illinois who receives $31.00 per month in Link card funds, and this amount will not fill up a shopping cart of food. Interesting contrast between two EBT/Link card users in different states.


43 posted on 10/28/2013 11:05:24 PM PDT by itssme
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To: VanShuyten

Maybe it will cut down on diabetes and heart attacks


44 posted on 10/28/2013 11:06:46 PM PDT by saintgermaine
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
If you look across the world

Well this is still the US in spite of the foreign Btard Obozo. Our church has a food bank hand out every Saturday. Been going on for years. Salon is a bunch of leftist twerps who sees us as all mean cruel people, to our fellow men.

45 posted on 10/28/2013 11:08:54 PM PDT by Texas Fossil
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It is SUPLIMENTAL nutrition assistance. It is suplimenting the money people pay out of pocket for their own food. It is not supposed to buy every crumb of food that a family eats. Also: since they are now available to be used for fast food and other food establishments a little additional planning should make up the 5%-7% drop in cost.

The SNAP benefits are very generous. They are a gift from the upper and middle classes to the poor and working class. They are by no means a right, even if they are called ‘entitlements’. No one is entitled to other peoples money.


46 posted on 10/28/2013 11:09:51 PM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

In March 2013, the Washington Post reported that one-third of Woonsocket, Rhode Island’s population used food stamps.


47 posted on 10/28/2013 11:12:00 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: staytrue

I have mustard greens & Swiss chard growing in my winter garden. Still have some watermelons left, no frost yet.

This was not a fruit year. Late frost around the 1st of May saw to that. Will begin gathering pecans pretty soon.

And guess what, I share with my neighbors.

It is how it is in small town America.


48 posted on 10/28/2013 11:15:04 PM PDT by Texas Fossil
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To: Vince Ferrer

I agree Vince. I could be very wrong, but I’d bet the average food stamp user could likely cut $11 from their EVT purchases without much trouble.

Now if they’re a family that has already made the tough cuts, it might be much harder, but like most people in society, I’d bet the average EBT user has some items they buy that could be purchased cheaper (generic) or are not necessary - steak sub burger, etc.

I think it’s a matter of looking and trying. I know we’ve cut our budget by doing similar things.


49 posted on 10/28/2013 11:17:18 PM PDT by leapfrog0202 ("the American presidency is not supposed to be a journey of personal discovery" Sarah Palin)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Good.

Maybe some of the lazy slobs who claim they cannot find a job will find work.


50 posted on 10/28/2013 11:17:40 PM PDT by Oliviaforever
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