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Top Dem admits ObamaCare could have been 'more precise' about people losing health plans
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Posted on 10/29/2013 2:41:12 PM PDT by Sub-Driver

Top Dem admits ObamaCare could have been 'more precise' about people losing health plans

Published October 29, 2013 FoxNews.com

A top Democratic official conceded Tuesday that the health care overhaul should have been "more precise" in acknowledging the possibility that some Americans would lose their current insurance plans -- even as the White House defended its past statements on the law.

The admission from House Democratic Leader Steny Hoyer comes after a 2010 document emerged that predicted millions might be dropped by their providers.

The document helped explain why thousands are already getting cancellation notices and being guided toward new plans. It also gave new meaning to Nancy Pelosi's infamous remark, shortly before the complex legislation was approved in March 2010, that "we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it."

Hoyer said Tuesday that officials knew some health plans would not qualify under the new ObamaCare regulations. He said the overall message to the public was accurate -- just not precise enough.

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TOPICS: Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: demiseofusa; liars; lies; losthealthcare; obamacare; precise; stenyhoyer
Accurate but not precise? Huh......
1 posted on 10/29/2013 2:41:12 PM PDT by Sub-Driver
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To: Sub-Driver

More precise HA they intended to deceive. Let the outraged deceived roar.


2 posted on 10/29/2013 2:43:12 PM PDT by AMDG&BVMH (wE)
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To: Sub-Driver

Could have been honest.


3 posted on 10/29/2013 2:44:25 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: Sub-Driver

“Mistakes were made”?


4 posted on 10/29/2013 2:47:07 PM PDT by jimfree (In November 2016 my 13 y/o granddaughter will have more quality exec experience than Barack Obama)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

These guys wouldn’t recognize the truth if it whacked them in the PP.


5 posted on 10/29/2013 2:48:19 PM PDT by CMailBag
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To: Sub-Driver

Democrats didn’t know. No one told them.


6 posted on 10/29/2013 2:50:36 PM PDT by YHAOS
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To: Sub-Driver

Actually, “accuracy” is the quality of being as close to the real or actual value as possible; in this case, the real value is the absolute truth.

“Precision” is the ability to recreate or repeat a level of accuracy multiple times.

So, if we take Old Steny at his word, then Obama is both a liar, and a chronic liar, as he was neither accurate, nor, according by Hoyer, precise enough.


7 posted on 10/29/2013 2:51:22 PM PDT by nesnah (Liberals - the petulant children of politics)
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To: CMailBag
These guys wouldn’t recognize the truth if it whacked them in the PP.

Sign zee papers.

8 posted on 10/29/2013 2:53:15 PM PDT by Steely Tom (If the Constitution can be a living document, I guess a corporation can be a person.)
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To: Sub-Driver

On a related note, I’m thoroughly enjoying the Obamacare threads over at DU where anyone pissed at the administration over this fiasco is accused of being a right-wing troll.


9 posted on 10/29/2013 2:53:49 PM PDT by Drew68
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To: AMDG&BVMH
That's what it comes down to. The bottom line is simple.

"Look, we needed to do this but you would never have agreed if we told you the truth, so we had to lie. But it's really for your own good. You'll understand and thank us for it later."

Does anyone really think that the timing here is incidental? That all this crappola is suddenly being splashed on the front pages and blaring from the TV sets now? With the midterms exactly one year away and the nationals a good three years away?

This is a classic exercise in damage control. They get the bad news out and have plenty of time to talk it to death, minimize the negative impacts, and by the time the elections roll around in the future, it's all "old news".

10 posted on 10/29/2013 2:57:02 PM PDT by Ronin (Dumb, dependent and Democrat is no way to go through life - Rep. L. Gohmert, Tex)
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To: All

we couldn’t know how precise it was until we voted for it.


11 posted on 10/29/2013 2:58:03 PM PDT by willywill
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To: CMailBag
Bob Woodward: ‘Rat’s Nest of Concealment & Lies’ Behind Obamacare Website Disaster
12 posted on 10/29/2013 3:00:42 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: AMDG&BVMH

Every Democrat needs to be voted out of office— The party should be punished for slavishly following Obama. Same with the MSM—No one should by their Propaganda Papers or watch their TV news. No one should buy from the people who sponsor their lies. Boycott the Party and MSM of Lies and Anti-Americanism.


13 posted on 10/29/2013 3:01:03 PM PDT by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: Sub-Driver

Do we have to be “more precise” doing our taxes?


14 posted on 10/29/2013 3:02:29 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: Ronin

“They get the bad news out “

I do think this is worse news than they wanted to admit to.

Did they want to insult their believers this badly?? ok of necessity they did — thought the believers would not notice as much as they have noticed . . .

so let us help the former deluded believers REMEMBER come a month or a year from now. Makes great theatre too!

Wish I were better at utube etc. I have an imagination about costumes for ObamaScare == this 31 Oct is a great opportunity to use satire and humor to place o Scare in its place. Too bad I do not have the media or video skills to launch it.


15 posted on 10/29/2013 3:04:42 PM PDT by AMDG&BVMH (wE)
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To: Sub-Driver

More precise than “nobody”? That’s crazy and silly.

It was a lie, not an imprecise statement.


16 posted on 10/29/2013 3:06:11 PM PDT by savedbygrace (But God!)
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To: Sub-Driver

This is nothing short of a lie. If this was any corporation there would be people already in jail.


17 posted on 10/29/2013 3:10:23 PM PDT by tobyhill
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To: Sub-Driver

Those people are evil. Plain and simple.


18 posted on 10/29/2013 3:10:51 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: BenLurkin
I agree.

Satan is the Father of lies. And lying runs rampant in the Democ-RAT party.

19 posted on 10/29/2013 3:12:39 PM PDT by what's up
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To: Forward the Light Brigade

I agree with you.

but: [paraphrasing] ours was to do or die, not to reason why; charge of the Light Brigade . . .

For this time, let them fall on their own swords of hubris for this o scare monstrosity; we do reason why and we will not die for o care lies.


20 posted on 10/29/2013 3:14:54 PM PDT by AMDG&BVMH (wE)
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To: Sub-Driver

How could they know? They haven’t read the plan. How could obama know? He hasn’t read the plan.

If they haven’t read the plan, it’s not their fault for not understanding it. /s


21 posted on 10/29/2013 3:26:28 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault (-)
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To: Forward the Light Brigade

“...Every Democrat needs to be voted out of office...”

Ain’t only the Dems, friend. Plenty of RINO assh*les who help them at every opportunity.

And as long as half the country votes for the American Communist Insurgency - AKA the Democrats - don’t count on them all being thrown out.

Perhaps a better strategy is for our side to LEARN how to stonewall, impede, block, and otherwise stall anything and everything they do when we have the means to do so.

Boehner and his ilk need to go; they could have stonewalled Obamacare by funding everything else except it, over and over. He lost his nerve - what little he had.


22 posted on 10/29/2013 3:27:26 PM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: Ronin
This is a classic exercise in damage control. They get the bad news out and have plenty of time to talk it to death, minimize the negative impacts, and by the time the elections roll around in the future, it's all "old news".

BINGO Ronin, I've posted this same message several times on other threads.. It's the same with HRC, and Benghazi, get it out now, and out of the way..

24 posted on 10/29/2013 3:32:25 PM PDT by carlo3b (RUFFLE FEATHERS, and destroy their FEATHER NEST!)
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To: Sub-Driver

“People believed the President and now you are being critical of them for doing so?

While you might like it, this is really very VERY simple. The President made a point of repeatedly saying something that turns out not to be even remotely true. The change might be understandable, it might even be for the better, but it was still not true. People should be able to trust what their elected representatives tell them, and when it turns out that those representatives were not telling them the truth they are going to be pissed off — and you can bet your ass the media is going to report it gleefully.

That’s reality. Short and sweet, if you don’t want people angry at you for lying there is a very simple solution. “

from an angry DU poster


25 posted on 10/29/2013 3:34:20 PM PDT by AMDG&BVMH (wE)
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To: AMDG&BVMH

“Yes, I think this one is going to leave a mark.

I don’t think it’s the end of his presidency, but this one hits people squarely in their personal life and for some upsets their choices. “

another angry DU poster


26 posted on 10/29/2013 3:36:25 PM PDT by AMDG&BVMH (wE)
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To: AMDG&BVMH

“Our cancelled plan was NOT crappy nor cheap

Have a small business. 6 employees plus myself. Everyone over 50. Most over 60. Those with kids ... The kids are grown with insurance of their own.

But our policy will not be renewed we have been informed because it does not cover maternity care nor pediatric vision and both are now required.

Really?!?!? We insure a bunch of near senior citizens. Requiring maternity and pediatric vision also requires a miracle of Biblical proportions. If it came to pass that we DID need maternity care and pediatric vision we could sell the “Miracle Birth” story to the National Enquirer for more money than the medical care cost!!!

We pay more in premiums because we are old. Fair enough. The probability of one of us needing healthcare is greater than a 25 year old. I get that. But the same logic should allow us to NOT buy insurance for an event whose probability (also because we are old) is now ZERO.

But regardless of logic, our policy won’t be renewed. Looking at much higher premiums and/or deductibles.

Go figure. “

another DU poster who sounds more like a freeper

There are those with eyes who can see and ears which can hear and they are NOT drinking the cool aid.


27 posted on 10/29/2013 3:38:45 PM PDT by AMDG&BVMH (wE)
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To: Sub-Driver

“Top Dem admits ObamaCare could have been ‘more precise’ about people losing health plans’

Right. And it took ‘em only 3.5 years to figure that out. Wonder why it took so long? Oh, yeah, right. A realityberg gob smacked ‘em up the side of the face and they had too figure out a new lie.


28 posted on 10/29/2013 3:52:57 PM PDT by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: Sub-Driver

Up your sorry Soetoro hole Steny.


29 posted on 10/29/2013 3:53:01 PM PDT by VRWC For Truth (Roberts has perverted the Constitution)
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To: Sub-Driver; All


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30 posted on 10/29/2013 3:54:56 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: Sub-Driver

They probably would have known this if they had bothered to read the thing before voting on it. I guess they were too busy swooning over pelosi....


31 posted on 10/29/2013 4:00:13 PM PDT by vet7279
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To: Sub-Driver

Go ahead Dems, and admit that Obamacare is going to cost more too. Where’s the savings? So people lose what they want, and pay more for what they don’t want and don’t need. No wonder the government has to force people to buy Obama’s product, otherwise no one would touch it. It sucks.


32 posted on 10/29/2013 4:01:27 PM PDT by pallis
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To: Sub-Driver

So0 “lieing” now means “not being more precise”. These commie DIMocRATs are something else. These bums should be in prison.


33 posted on 10/29/2013 4:17:35 PM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: Sub-Driver

So “lieing” now means “not being more precise”. These commie DIMocRATs are something else. These bums should be in prison.


34 posted on 10/29/2013 4:17:46 PM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: Sub-Driver

Lyin’ mofo.


35 posted on 10/29/2013 4:19:19 PM PDT by dforest
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To: Sub-Driver

If I recall right, Biblically, Satan told half-truths too.


36 posted on 10/29/2013 4:19:59 PM PDT by VRW Conspirator (Producing Talk Show Prep since 1998.)
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To: Sub-Driver
just not precise enough

True, only 10 million lose their plan but 10 ARE able to keep theirs.

37 posted on 10/29/2013 4:41:16 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault (-)
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To: jimfree

What difference, at this point, does it make?


38 posted on 10/29/2013 5:19:58 PM PDT by NCC-1701 (LIV's are products of an incomplete education.)
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To: Sub-Driver

I’m gonna need some painkillers and medical marijuana by the truckload to get through this. This is almost enough to make me want states to move to legalize cocaine, speed, LSD, Ecstasy and Crystla meth. This is crushing my spirit and my spirit is pretty crushed to begin with.


39 posted on 10/29/2013 5:32:32 PM PDT by freedom462
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To: Sub-Driver
"I should have been more precise."

-Ken Lay, 2002

40 posted on 10/29/2013 5:37:36 PM PDT by NittanyLion
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To: what's up
Satan is the Father of lies. And lying runs rampant in the Democ-RAT party.

Right behind subjective and situational definitions of terms.

41 posted on 10/29/2013 5:41:15 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (ZeroCare: Make them pay; do not delay.)
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To: Sub-Driver

Let the frog marching begin.


42 posted on 10/29/2013 7:26:57 PM PDT by samadams2000 (Someone important make......The Call!)
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To: Sub-Driver

I once pointed out some of obama’s stupid statements to an obama lover and his response was “He didn’t mean it.”


43 posted on 10/29/2013 8:41:31 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: VerySadAmerican

My experience with Obama lovers is the same, it doesn’t matter what it is. One told me they figure they have to “protect” him no matter what because of all the Republican lies, so it doesn’t seem to matter. It defies logic.


44 posted on 10/29/2013 11:39:48 PM PDT by gattaca ("If you tell the truth, you don't have to remember anything." Mark Twain)
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