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Toddler is 1st customer at New Jersey medical pot dispensary
AP via ABC News ^ | October 29, 2013

Posted on 10/29/2013 10:36:31 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows

EGG HARBOR TOWNSHIP -- A 2-year-old with epilepsy is now receiving medical marijuana in New Jersey after her parents' months-long push to get her the drug they believe will help treat her.

(Excerpt) Read more at abclocal.go.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; US: New Jersey
KEYWORDS: culturewar; dopersrights; drugs; napl; startemyoung
Thanks to Gefn for the link.
1 posted on 10/29/2013 10:36:31 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows
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To: Slings and Arrows; MeekOneGOP; Conspiracy Guy; DocRock; King Prout; Darksheare; OSHA; ...
What could possibly go wrong?


2 posted on 10/29/2013 10:37:27 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: Slings and Arrows

“Consenting adults” was always a lie

Libertopians will be at the forefront of the pedophile-normalization movement too


3 posted on 10/29/2013 10:37:48 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: Slings and Arrows

I’m not unsympathetic to the parents in that they are probably desperate to control their child’s seizures. I’ve checked a few epilepsy sites, though, and the data on the effectiveness of marijuana in helping control seizures is sketchy at best. And what positive result do seem to be indicated come not from THC, but the non (or mostly non) psychoactive cannaboid compounds. The article even states that the desired strain isn’t available.

The point being, marijuana isn’t a magic panacea/cure-all. The compounds found in it do help a few specific conditions glaucoma, for example), and may help a few others. It’s useless in many other cases, and could be worse than useless when used in place of an actually effective medicine.

Of course, I do realize that the number of medical marijuana users that are actually wanting it for medicinal use is probably a relatively low percentage. I’m just saying that for the folks who DO want it for legitimate medical purposes, there’s an awful lot of Fool’s Gold at the end of that particular rainbow.


4 posted on 10/29/2013 10:49:12 PM PDT by DemforBush (Of all the Thompson gunners, Roland was the best.)
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To: GeronL
I take it you aren't familiar with the studies that show cannabis can settle down or eliminate epileptic seizures in children.

Do you prefer that these children continue to suffer debilitating seizures?

5 posted on 10/29/2013 10:49:57 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is...starting to sound pretty good actually)
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To: DemforBush

There’s a lot of magical thinking in the world. And lot more outright mendacity.


6 posted on 10/29/2013 10:51:06 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: Slings and Arrows

Ya know, there IS something good apparently here (though some discreet checking could verify it).

A parent that actually cares about his child.

If a tea of pot (as opposed to a pot of tea) does some good, then it ought to be used, properly of course.

Magical schmagical. This whole world is spiritual whether or not we acknowledge it. The leading of God, especially, does mean something. Luke of the 1st century might have done as much good with his herbal stuff as we sterile scientists do with our advanced pharmaceuticals. Because God was in it.


7 posted on 10/29/2013 10:55:26 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: DemforBush
> marijuana isn’t a magic panacea/cure-all. The compounds found in it do help a few specific conditions glaucoma, for example), and may help a few others. It’s useless in many other cases, and could be worse than useless when used in place of an actually effective medicine.

That's true, of course. It's also a true statement about essentially EVERY medical drug. Re-read what you wrote. It's true of every drug from aspirin to morphine, and certainly any psychotropics. No drug is a cure-all, they all have specific areas where they are effective and many more others where they are not.

Any idiot who actually thinks pot or any other drug is a "magic panacea" should be ignored. Raising that kind of argument against any one drug whether pot or aspirin is just foolishness.

Pot might be shown to be a useful medicine in some circumstances. Why is that so surprising?

8 posted on 10/29/2013 10:55:45 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is...starting to sound pretty good actually)
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To: dayglored

Tincture of marijuana used to be part of the USP.

The drug abuse plague of modern years is a result, I firmly posit, of abandoning the love of God. Especially as it applies to the honoring of the body (the offering of the body to God). When the body was offered to God, pot was a medicine. Now pot’s a trip to a land of who knows what gods.

No worldly law can do SQUAT about that situation. It is a matter of EVANGELISM but IMHO it needs a new evangelism that emphasizes the power of heaven. Getting scared into heaven by hell is really a final resort in God’s plan, it does work, but it reflects a stunning lack of Christian insight.


9 posted on 10/29/2013 11:00:13 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

The dirty hippies ruined EVERTHING.


10 posted on 10/29/2013 11:13:58 PM PDT by Psiman (PS I am not a crackpot)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
God placed mankind in a garden (the Earth) filled with wonders, puzzles, medicines, dangers, you name it. Part of the journey of every person to know and love God is to find and make use of those parts of the garden that work best for them in the plan that God has for them.

For some, cannabis may be a medicine; for others a pleasant intoxicant; for still others a mortal danger.

God's wisdom exceeds our comprehension, and He does not ask anything of us that we are incapable of. Learning the proper place of pot in each of our personal journeys toward enlightenment is surely one of the smaller of the many tests and obstacles we'll encounter.

11 posted on 10/29/2013 11:15:12 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is...starting to sound pretty good actually)
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To: dayglored

God put animals in the garden so obviously beastiality must be okay too, right?

trying to justify the potheads using God is ridiculous


12 posted on 10/29/2013 11:17:35 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: Slings and Arrows

I’d like to know if the parents tried all of the anti seizure drugs that are out there. I don’t have epilepsy, but extremely painful classic migraine. I must have tried 7 different anti seizure drugs to find the one that really helps me.

I have worked with a man that started smoking pot at the age of 8, by 23 was a full blown schizophrenic. I know this is anecdotal but I wonder what pot does to the developing brain. There are many drugs that children shouldn’t use.


13 posted on 10/29/2013 11:17:39 PM PDT by MacMattico
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To: Slings and Arrows
What could possibly go wrong?

Pot-ty training accident?

14 posted on 10/29/2013 11:22:12 PM PDT by Ezekiel (The Obama-nation began with the Inauguration of Desolation.)
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To: MacMattico

Children using the drug for medicinal purposes are NOT smoking it. Smoking (heating) destroys the medicinal value found in Cannabis. As a last resort, I hope to soon be following the path of this child.

Medical Marijuana Returns Life To 6-Year-Old: Cannabis Oil Stopped Charlotte Figi’s Severe Seizures

http://www.medicaldaily.com/medical-marijuana-returns-life-6-year-old-cannabis-oil-stopped-charlotte-figis-severe-seizures


15 posted on 10/29/2013 11:26:30 PM PDT by Kimberly GG ("Path to Citizenship" Amnesty candidates will NOT get my vote!)
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To: Slings and Arrows

16 posted on 10/29/2013 11:30:23 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: MacMattico

I was kind of wondering about that myself. Wondering hard.


17 posted on 10/29/2013 11:40:14 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: Ezekiel

Ouch!


18 posted on 10/29/2013 11:40:43 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: Slings and Arrows

Look, toddlers with the munchies are gonna have to go, and probably without warning. Doritos could be especially problematic. :-]


19 posted on 10/29/2013 11:49:59 PM PDT by Ezekiel (The Obama-nation began with the Inauguration of Desolation.)
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To: Slings and Arrows
What could possibly go wrong?

The parents could be using the prescription instead?

20 posted on 10/29/2013 11:53:20 PM PDT by Does so (Soon, we'll be looking like Detroit.)
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To: Kimberly GG

I never implied a child would smoke it. Can you cite me some major studies that show Cannabis in any form doesn’t have a hugely negative effect on a developing brain?

I could name at least 7 anti seizures medications that have went through years of clinical research.

You better tell all those medical marijuana states it doesn’t work when smoked, because they all say they’re smoking it for medical reasons!

I’m pretty indifferent to an adult smoking an occasional joint, although most people I know that stop become more productive with their lives.

If it’s all that works for you, so be it. My father only drank when he had the flu, and said the only thing that worked was Jack Daniels. I guess it would kill some germs!


21 posted on 10/29/2013 11:55:44 PM PDT by MacMattico
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To: dayglored

I don’t think I argued that what I said about marijuana didn’t hold true for other drugs. In fact, I think if you take a second look at my original post, you’ll see we are basically on the same page here.

Of course no drug is perfect, or treats all things. I was just making reference to the endless claims of marijuana being some sort of super-drug by some of its advocates. THC and CBD have some documented/proven uses, no question. It also has a lot of claimed benefits that haven’t been scientifically verified. Epilepsy is one of the latter. CBD may help in some cases, but the evidence that it is an effective treatment for epilepsy is very mixed at best.

Other claims I’ve seen border on the patent medicine sales pitches of a century ago. Weed can cure everything from acne to impotence, if you believe some of the pro-legalization sites. These claims always talk of “potential” benefits and never seem to have much in the way of reliable scientific research to back it up. Thus, I maintain folks who pursue marijuana as “The Cure” for a malady it can’t really help with are chasing Fool’s Gold, after a fashion.


22 posted on 10/30/2013 12:06:13 AM PDT by DemforBush (Of all the Thompson gunners, Roland was the best.)
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To: Does so

It scarcely seems possible.


23 posted on 10/30/2013 12:19:10 AM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: MacMattico; Slings and Arrows
I’d like to know if the parents tried all of the anti seizure drugs that are out there.

The girl has been diagnosed with Dravet syndrome, and has a heart and oxygen monitor, so I'm sure she's under the care of MDs. From the Dravet Foundation:

Dravet syndrome, also known as Severe Myoclonic Epilepsy of Infancy (SMEI), is a rare and catastrophic form of intractable epilepsy that begins in infancy. Initial seizures are most often prolonged events and in the second year of life other seizure types begin to emerge.

Development remains on track initially, with plateaus and a progressive decline typically beginning in the second year of life. Individuals with Dravet syndrome face a higher incidence of SUDEP (sudden unexplained death in epilepsy) and have associated conditions, which also need to be properly treated and managed.

http://www.dravetfoundation.org/dravet-syndrome/what-is-dravet-syndrome

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So if it were up to you, would you allow the girl to be treated with marijuana?

24 posted on 10/30/2013 1:01:54 AM PDT by Ken H (First rule of gun safety - have a gun)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

I’m afraid there’s a lot of stoners on FR.


25 posted on 10/30/2013 1:31:32 AM PDT by Catmom (We're all gonna get the punishment only some of us deserve.)
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To: Slings and Arrows
"Vivian’s neurologist, a national expert in pediatric epilepsy, thinks it’s worth investigating.

Orrin Devinsky, director of the New York University and Saint Barnabas Epilepsy Center, said he believes cannabis can play a role in helping children with epilepsy."

http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/2013/05/relief_elusive_for_njs_younges.html

26 posted on 10/30/2013 1:32:13 AM PDT by Ken H (First rule of gun safety - have a gun)
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To: Kimberly GG

If it’s stupid and it works, it isn’t stupid. Some drugs that are otherwise illegal have legitimate medical purposes including both heroin and cocaine. If a tincture of marijuana oil is what works to alleviate a severe medical problem, then so be it.

I’m not so naive as to think that the majority of those getting “medical marijuana” actually have a problem that nothing but marijuana will help with, but there are some where that may well be the case.

Our drug war is a complete and abject failure. While I’m not a particular fan of the legalization of pot, I am warming to the idea. I’ve noticed that neither Colorado nor Washington state have descended into chaos as a result of it’s legalization last year. Ultimately, I think that the people who really want to get high will do so, so why continue to indirectly subsidize the mafias as a result?

I don’t view it as the state’s job to dive in and protect people from their own nonviolent folly.


27 posted on 10/30/2013 2:20:24 AM PDT by RKBA Democrat ( There is no worst president but owebama, and valerie jarrett is his prophet.)
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To: Catmom

Everybody must get stoned (just kidding!)

I haven’t even had marijuana at all let alone gotten stoned on it.

I’d like to see an accommodation for herbal remedies containing marijuana. Is this the right time for it? That could be debated.


28 posted on 10/30/2013 2:31:32 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: RKBA Democrat

If anything, even the stoners will generate less criminal chaos this way.


29 posted on 10/30/2013 2:32:26 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: Psiman
"The dirty hippies ruined EVERTHING."

It happened before the hippies stopped bathing -- before many were even born. Like everything from hurricanes to dandruff, it's the Republicans fault!

(Fiorello LaGuardia was a Republican politician.)

The Laguardia Committee Report New York, USA (1944) The Marihuana Problem in the City of New York Mayor's Committee on Marihuana, by the New York Academy of Medicine City of New York , 1944. FOREWORD by Fiorello LaGuardia

30 posted on 10/30/2013 3:22:04 AM PDT by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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To: GeronL

Here’s another article that goes into more detail. This little girl is going to die.

http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/2013/10/njs_youngest_medical_marijuana_patient_gets_her_turn.html

I recently learned that there are two major active ingredients in pot. THC gets you high. CBD does not and relieves pain.

The parents have been trying to get the child access to plant strains that are low in THC and high in CBD to treat her seizures.

It saved a kid before: http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/07/health/charlotte-child-medical-marijuana/

As the kid is dead without it (nothing modern medicine can do) what harm is it to try to save her life? Isn’t a Hail Mary called for?

These are extreme cases. Kids with terminal cancer and severe seizure disorders should have access. Most physicians who prescribe medical MJ agree that it should be limited to those cases because MJ can have a negative impact on a developing mind.


31 posted on 10/30/2013 3:30:05 AM PDT by Marie (When are they going to take back Obama's peace prize?)
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To: GeronL

Well, we do use the animals for food.

What’s wrong with using plants for medicinal purposes?


32 posted on 10/30/2013 5:51:18 AM PDT by KosmicKitty (WARNING: Hormonally crazed woman ahead!!)
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To: KosmicKitty
What’s wrong with using plants for medicinal purposes?

That's fine, so long as Montsanto and Big Pharma get their cut.

33 posted on 10/30/2013 5:57:11 AM PDT by Rodamala
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To: MacMattico

“My father only drank when he had the flu, and said the only thing that worked was Jack Daniels.”

I do that occasionally when I have a really bad cold. I figure it might work, or it might not, but either way at least I won’t care that I’m sick anymore. :)


34 posted on 10/30/2013 6:18:19 AM PDT by ZirconEncrustedTweezers (My sweet talk is also savory and creamy.)
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To: Ezekiel

*groan*


35 posted on 10/30/2013 7:49:44 AM PDT by null and void (I'm betting on an Obama Trifecta: A Nobel Peace Prize, an Impeachment, AND a War Crimes Trial...)
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To: Catmom
I’m afraid there’s a lot of stoners on FR.

I've seen the future, I can't afford it
Tell me the truth sir, someone just bought it
Say Mr. Whispers, here come the click of dice
Roulette and blackjacks, build us a paradise
Larger than life and twice as ugly
If we have to live there, you'll have to drug me

ABC ~ Who Wants to be a Millionaire

36 posted on 10/30/2013 7:53:11 AM PDT by null and void (I'm betting on an Obama Trifecta: A Nobel Peace Prize, an Impeachment, AND a War Crimes Trial...)
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To: Lancey Howard; Revolting cat!
He could grow up to be dizzyprent one day.


37 posted on 10/30/2013 9:42:36 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: Ken H

Even if she lived her brain would most likely be fried anyway, without it. If nothing else has worked, may as well try it.

I’m not at all a fan of rec use, but if someone’s dying of cancer and the combination of properties gives them enough strength to live because they want to eat and can keep it down, or frying their brain from intractable seizures, there’s quite literally nothing to LOSE by trying.

Like any drug, prescribe it wisely, where it may do good.


38 posted on 10/30/2013 9:49:02 AM PDT by Fire_on_High (RIP City of Heroes and Paragon Studios, victim of the Obamaconomy.)
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To: Sooth2222
(Fiorello LaGuardia was a Republican politician.) I did not know that. The things you learn around here...
39 posted on 10/30/2013 6:22:09 PM PDT by Psiman (PS I am not a crackpot)
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To: Slings and Arrows
I was wondering if you've decided on an answer to the question in post #24.
40 posted on 10/30/2013 7:12:58 PM PDT by Ken H (First rule of gun safety - have a gun)
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To: Ken H

Show me her medical records and I’ll answer your question.


41 posted on 10/30/2013 7:50:17 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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