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Obamacare A Mess? Liberals Say Go Single Payer.
Forbes ^ | 10/28/13

Posted on 10/29/2013 11:44:52 PM PDT by Kimberly GG

....."The Left is champing at the bit to go single payer, even before Obama Care has begun. The employer mandate has been delayed and thousands of exemptions have been granted. Of the major provisions, only the individual mandate and fines remain, and even they may be delayed. But the liberals say: Let’s change the venue and the rules before the game even starts."....

(Excerpt) Read more at forbes.com ...


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: commanderindeceit; obama; obamacare; obamacarelies; obamagovernsbydeceit; obamalies; singlepayer
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To: cynwoody

TYVM, I’ve asked the Admin to fix it.


21 posted on 10/30/2013 12:18:07 AM PDT by Kimberly GG ("Path to Citizenship" Amnesty candidates will NOT get my vote!)
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To: JennysCool

they are creating the crisis so that they can then force thru a ‘solution’ they could never under normal conditions, ever hope to implement.


22 posted on 10/30/2013 12:20:25 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: jonrick46

Exactly! Trust me...they believe they’re going to have the last laugh about this...MANY of them already are! They LOVE seeing us throw hissy fits about this, because they know where it’s leading.

Of COURSE they never read the bill...they didn’t need to. OF COURSE they gave billions to their friends to build a FAILED system ... they didn’t need a system that worked. Of COURSE they lied about ALL OF IT.

My thoughts though....would run of the mill democrats be supportive of a BUSHCARE or a SINGLE PAYER system under BUSH or any other Republican...Palincare, Cruzcare? NO!!

The ONLY reason they are okay with this is because they BELIEVE the POTUS will remain a DEMOCRAT. Whether it be Obama again, or Hillary, or some other socialist puppet ... they’re going to get their AMNESTY in order to do it and WE ARE ALL SCREWED.


23 posted on 10/30/2013 12:29:51 AM PDT by Kimberly GG ("Path to Citizenship" Amnesty candidates will NOT get my vote!)
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To: Kimberly GG
  If Obamacare was just an elaborate scam to lead us to a single payer (socialist) system, then is single payer just a scam to deliver really serious population control.
24 posted on 10/30/2013 12:31:11 AM PDT by Maurice Tift (Never wear anything that panics the cat. -- P.J. O'Rourke)
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To: AlexW

Completely disagree. Even the mainstream media is now reporting the ACA’s complete ineptitude. After this, the cry isn’t going to be for single-payer, it’s going to be for the government to keep its hands off health care completely.

They chose, badly.


25 posted on 10/30/2013 12:33:38 AM PDT by JennysCool (My hypocrisy goes only so far)
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To: Kimberly GG
I saw a poll on FOX News tonight of doctors in New York State. Asked if they'd participate in ObamaCare 44 percent said No, 23 percent said Yes and 33 percent said Probably Not. This is in a Blue state. Doctors would revolt against single payer. Hundreds of thousands of workers in health insurance and associated industries would be laid off. Some hospitals would shut down while others shed workers.

A move to single payer insurance would have to pass through Congress and would probably be tested before the Supreme Court.

26 posted on 10/30/2013 12:38:36 AM PDT by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: cynwoody; Kimberly GG

Thank you Cynwoody for providing a working link for Kimberlygg for the article she posted from Forbes.

KimberlyGG, please do not use a search link in place of a direct link. Also do not use any link with embedded redirect code, where the link appears as a link to one site, but instead then re-directs anyone who happens to click the link.

The link which you used

http://72.30.186.176/search/srpcache?ei=UTF-8&p=Obama+single+payer&fr=yfp-t-901&u=http://cc.bingj.com/cache.aspx?q=Obama+single+payer&d=27025813955610381&mkt=en-US&setlang=en-US&w=zOmc7ANigu_1YXtdYmS46-O1h0DCaiJA&icp=1&.intl=us&sig=meVxJxcNoU23g2XWFnwyOg-

resulted in re-directing anyone who clicked on the link to a strange search page located on Yahoo.

Earlier tonight, you also posted a similar search link which redirected to another strange search page:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3085297/posts?page=32#32

If you wish to post published material from another site, only use a direct working link which goes to the article on the original site of publication.

Thank you.


27 posted on 10/30/2013 12:47:16 AM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: Maurice Tift

I think research of what is contained in Obamacare would already show that to be their agenda.

Hasn’t Obama surrounded himself with people who’ve already written about population control?


28 posted on 10/30/2013 12:50:22 AM PDT by Kimberly GG ("Path to Citizenship" Amnesty candidates will NOT get my vote!)
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To: Admin Moderator

Thank you. I apologize...both links were meant to direct to the same article and I didn’t realize they weren’t doing so. I will be more careful.


29 posted on 10/30/2013 12:52:05 AM PDT by Kimberly GG ("Path to Citizenship" Amnesty candidates will NOT get my vote!)
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To: Kimberly GG

Why would anyone want the same incompetents who cannot even operate a web site to be in charge of your individual health care?


30 posted on 10/30/2013 12:59:50 AM PDT by The Great RJ
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To: Kimberly GG

Okay. Thanks.


31 posted on 10/30/2013 1:00:01 AM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: Kimberly GG

lets stop giving in to their corruption of the language

SINGLE PAYER = GOVERNMENT HEALTH CARE


32 posted on 10/30/2013 1:04:44 AM PDT by Mr. K (Lies, Damned Lies, Statistics, and then Democrat Talking Points.)
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To: OldArmy52

” “Liberalism is a mental disease..”

Liberalism gives psychotics an identity.


33 posted on 10/30/2013 1:05:10 AM PDT by Salamander (Blue Oyster Cult Will Be The Soundtrack For The Revolution.....)
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To: Kimberly GG

“DON’T BE FOOLED ... OBAMACARE WAS DESIGNED TO FAIL. SINGLE PAYER IS WHAT THEY WANTED ALL ALONG.”

Exactly. This plan is working PERFECTLY. It is crashing private healthcare insurance industry and that was its only goal.


34 posted on 10/30/2013 1:15:54 AM PDT by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off. -786 +969)
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To: Kimberly GG

Well repeal the bad law, you don’t double down on stupid.


35 posted on 10/30/2013 1:16:06 AM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God Bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

I agree. But I think TOTAL CONTROL is more important to progressives than quality of care or shortages of doctors/hospitals. We have examples of how bad the systems in England and Canada are. They don’t care.

“I’m all for a single payer system eventually. I think that (what) we have to do is work with what we’ve got until we close the gap.”
SEBELIUS, 2007

“I think that the idea of moving towards a single payer system could very well make sense.”
OBAMA, 2009

“What we’re trying to do is insure everybody, right? We’re trying to insure more people, not less and so it’s my feeling that the rising costs that are going on will not be solved by getting rid of people’s health insurance—that throws them into emergency rooms and charity and other things. That’s why HR 676 [SINGLE PAYER] is our ultimate solution—is that everybody’s insured from birth on and that’s what we’re still fighting for.”

“Do you see a single-payer health care system ultimately in the United States?”...”Universal health care—well, every industrial country on the planet already has a universal system of health care.” When asked if he thinks President Obama’s health-care law will lead to a single-payer health-care system in the U.S., he said: “Well it’s a platform. I don’t think they flow smoothly but without that, if we didn’t have this then health care, universal health care would be an even more difficult legislative objective.”
JOHN CONYERS, 2011

“What we’ve done with Obamacare is have a step in the right direction, but we’re far from having something that’s going to work forever.”

When then asked by panelist Steve Sebelius whether he meant ultimately the country would have to have a health care system that abandoned insurance as the means of accessing it, “Yes, yes. Absolutely, yes.”
HARRY REID 2013


36 posted on 10/30/2013 1:18:33 AM PDT by Kimberly GG ("Path to Citizenship" Amnesty candidates will NOT get my vote!)
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To: Kimberly GG

This time it’s different. America can make socialism work perfectly. /s


37 posted on 10/30/2013 1:21:26 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away.)
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To: Mr. K

I have said this for a long time now. We can’t continue to use the definitions of the enemy and expect to win a majority. It is even more accurately called “government monopolized health control”. It really has nothing to do with healthcare.

Another example is the word “capitalism” which is a Marxist definition. In reality the free market is not just another “-ism”, but the opposite. It is freedom.


38 posted on 10/30/2013 1:35:56 AM PDT by Wildbill22 (They have us surrounded again, the poor bastards- Gen Creighton Williams Abrams)
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To: wastoute

If they manage to take down the country and kill us off then we were the idiots all along.


39 posted on 10/30/2013 1:36:20 AM PDT by Wanderer99
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To: Kimberly GG
Thanks for the quotes. When Glenn Beck had a show on FOX News he spent a good deal of time exposing this open conspiracy to socialize U.S. health care including video clips of Obama supporting single payer. The insurance industry killed HillaryCare with lobbyists and TV commercials. Obama knew if he didn't include private insurers in ObamaCare they would declare war again so he appealed to their greed with a guaranteed captive market. I think some of them are wishing now they had nipped this thing in the bud.
40 posted on 10/30/2013 1:57:33 AM PDT by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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