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Environmentalist attempt to block oil, gas drilling in key Wyoming sage grouse area
Star-Tribune ^ | October 30, 2013 | BENJAMIN STORROW

Posted on 10/30/2013 9:03:07 AM PDT by george76

Three environmental groups petitioned the federal government Monday to block new oil and gas development in an area of key sage grouse habitat near Douglas.

The petition came a month after Gov. Matt Mead announced a plan with Chesapeake Energy to allow drilling in what is known as the Douglas Core Area and represented an effort by environmentalists to counter what they see as an erosion of state sage grouse protections.

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WildEarth Guardians, the Biodiversity Conservation Alliance and American Bird Conservancy petitioned the Department of Interior and U.S. Bureau of Land Management to prohibit construction of new wellpads and roads

(Excerpt) Read more at trib.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; News/Current Events; US: Montana; US: North Dakota; US: South Dakota; US: Wyoming
KEYWORDS: agenda21; animalrights; ar; endangered; endangeredspecies; energy; epa; esa; gas; grouse; guncontrol; guns; naturalgas; oil; privateproperty; sage; sagegrouse; un21; unitednations; usfws; wildlife; wyoming

1 posted on 10/30/2013 9:03:07 AM PDT by george76
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To: george76

Follow the money. These groups don’t hire armies of lawyers to block economic development solely on the $10 donations from grandma who saw a cute picture of a baby seal on a flyer.


2 posted on 10/30/2013 9:04:37 AM PDT by henkster (Communists never negotiate.)
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To: jazusamo; Flycatcher

Eagles and other endangered birds are being slaughtered by wind turbines and the alleged environmentalists / USF&WS is strangely silent.

Hmmm


3 posted on 10/30/2013 9:07:04 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: henkster

$10 donation from grandma
These con jobs need to be catagorized as elder abuse.


4 posted on 10/30/2013 9:07:59 AM PDT by Cold Heart
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To: henkster

Excellent post. Always follow the money.


5 posted on 10/30/2013 9:11:31 AM PDT by Starboard
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To: henkster
The ecowhackos are at it in North Dakota, too, trying to bring suit to stop flaring gas, a byproduct of oil production. Current infrastructure construction backlogs necessitate the flaring of gas: there are no pipelines to gather it. The gas is produced with oil, dissolved in the oil, and separated from the oil on the production location and flared off. The oil is hauled by truck from the location. Circumstances make it impossible to produce oil without the dissolved gas, economics are such that flaring a few hundred dollars worth of gas a day pales in comparison to the revenue generated by producing anywhere from 1000 to 2000+ barrels of oil per day.

Stopping flaring (which just cannot be done as a practical matter while producing the oil the gas is dissolved in) would bring the oil boom of the Bakken/Three Forks to a screeching halt.

Apparently the groups pushing the agendae got their seed money from somewhere, and the efforts are likely coordinated.

6 posted on 10/30/2013 9:13:01 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: george76

I’d like to grouse about this growing tendency in WY.


7 posted on 10/30/2013 9:17:17 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: george76; Flycatcher

Ah yes but those wind turbines are supposedly going to replace the dastardly petroleum fuels so the killing of eagles and other endangered species can be overlooked.

Now the enviro-nazis can use the sage grouse as an excuse to close millions of acres of public and private land to drilling.

If this Wyoming area is closed like the enviros propose they will have their foot in the door and it will be just the tip of the iceberg for future closures.


8 posted on 10/30/2013 9:23:50 AM PDT by jazusamo ([Obama] A Truly Great Phony -- Thomas Sowell http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3058949/posts)
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To: george76

Est. population: 500,000. Not threatened.


9 posted on 10/30/2013 9:25:11 AM PDT by pabianice (LINE)
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To: george76

Shoot and eat the grouse and the eco-wackos too. But remember to spit out the bones


10 posted on 10/30/2013 9:25:47 AM PDT by dennisw (The first principle is to find out who you are then you can achieve anything -- Buddhist monk)
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To: Smokin' Joe

OPEC money?


11 posted on 10/30/2013 9:26:31 AM PDT by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: Farmer Dean

One possibility is OPEC. There are others: Russia (to help maintain natural gas supply hegemony in Europe), The usual limousine Liberals and their foundations, some of the ‘missing’ federal funds that have been allocated. Who knows? At this point it could be tax dollars used against us all.


12 posted on 10/30/2013 9:35:43 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: george76

Wyoming is a very wealthy state with very little dependence on the federal government. They call their own shots. Natural resources are abundant and the state has varied sources of good income. They do have some poor people, but are very far from what I’d call a welfare state, and they refuse to participate in ACA.

That area around Douglas is a vast area of nothingness for miles and miles so to harass oil companies over birds is hardly respectable. The areas consumed by oil companies aren’t that big and the grouse can nest a few feet away. They’re all over the place.

The area is so underpopulated, that if you’re traveling the highway, you’d BETTER get gas at either border and hope you have an extremely economical gas use vehicle or you will rapidly find yourself in deep sneakers if you run out. You will go many miles and many hours without seeing a single town or gas station, especially at night. This state is definitely no-man’s land.


13 posted on 10/30/2013 9:51:48 AM PDT by PrairieLady2
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To: george76
The feral gubmint has been trying to destroy Wyoming for quite some time.

We go against the grain of washington thinking as we are God-fearing, America loving people, who believe in the 2nd Amendment and are pro-Constitution (the original, not what the libs have tried to turn it into).

I was not born here but now call it home. I love Wyoming and all it represents and believe it will stand strong against the commies that continually threaten it.

14 posted on 10/30/2013 10:00:34 AM PDT by coder2
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To: george76
I certainly hope that all the members of all three environmental groups walk to wherever they are going and are not hypocrites driving or riding in a “fossil fuel” vehicle...
15 posted on 10/30/2013 10:32:10 AM PDT by PATRIOT1876
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To: dennisw
*Shoot and eat the grouse and the eco-wackos too. But remember to spit out the bones*

It would seem that would be the only way that an envirowacko might become useful, as an ingredient of Soylent Green.

16 posted on 10/30/2013 10:34:11 AM PDT by PATRIOT1876
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To: pabianice

Once the grouse got used to the new features of their environment, they’d thrive once more.

Those pipelines are warm in the winter...


17 posted on 10/30/2013 10:35:06 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Smokin' Joe
Joe, not arguing with your basic premise, but in theory small turbines fired by natural gas could be installed to generate electricity. Do you think the volumes of gas being flared are really below economic thresholds ... or do you think the operators just don't want the hassles?
18 posted on 10/30/2013 11:14:19 AM PDT by R W Reactionairy ("Everyone is entitled to their own opinion ... but not to their own facts" Daniel Patrick Moynihan)
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To: Smokin' Joe

I think you would find the eco-groups funded, in order of amounts:

The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia

The People’s Republic of China

George Soros

Limousine Libs are a distant 4th place; they only contribute as much as necessary as an indulgence for their “eco-sins.” It doesn’t amount to that much, and carries no weight against national governments.

The Russians are probably new to the game, as we didn’t become a possible exporter of natural gas until recently. The fracking revolution caused the bottom to drop out on natural gas prices, and it’s eating into their revenue stream. So they have an interest in throttling American production now.

All of those starry-eyed liberal arts majors, going into “environmental advocacy.” Useful idiots, all of them. They have no idea they are pawns in an international power game.


19 posted on 10/30/2013 11:43:17 AM PDT by henkster (Communists never negotiate.)
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To: R W Reactionairy
While I see your concept, you are missing a few steps. Natural Gas, as a fuel, is primarily Methane. The BTU's per MCF are limited by adjusting the composition and must remain below limits in order to not burn out the equipment using Natural Gas as a fuel.

This would require that the raw wellhead gas (a combination of methane, ethane, propane butanes, and other volatile organic compounds) be treated, (components separated, NGLs , inert gasses, and water removed) in order to be useable as fuel.

Essentially, that is what would happen at the gas plant the gas would go to via feeder pipeline.

A better solution might be to build a modular, truck portable gas plant to use on pad well locations (so far up here, up to 8 wells drilled from the same surface location), and then either use the separated Methane to power production equipment, or store the liquefied component gasses for transport elsewhere. It would be tough to get that model to work because this would require supervision 24/7/365, and the expense might be prohibitive.

Currently, the problem is a lag between getting a well into production and having the means (feeder pipeline) to get the gas to a gas plant. While new wells are being drilled, others are being connected, and that which gets flared is between the frac and the pipeline.

Note, too, I mentioned pad wells, where multiple wells are drilled from the same surface location. This concept reduces the number of feeder pipelines necessary, which saves on infrastructure costs and is also reducing the backlog by requiring less line be laid.

20 posted on 10/30/2013 11:52:04 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: henkster
LimoLibs tend to be as active in 'causes' through foundations and the like as their accountants tell them they need to be to achieve the most advantageous tax rate.

As for the Russians, well, the USSR had skin in the game back in the '70s when they ponied up seed money for outfits like Greenpeace and others to focus on throttling Western Industry in the name of a clean environment. You will find the Sierra Club as a party to many lawsuits, too. (They used to clean and maintain trails instead of try to clean up in the lawsuit lotto or score a settlement).

While there was undeniably some cleanup that needed to be done then, the cost/benefit curve is out of whack now, and new measures taken for small increments of improvement are incredibly expensive and/or restrictive and of questionable benefit (provided, of course that you are not of the mind that the oceans will inevitably boil away in the next two weeks from global warming).

21 posted on 10/30/2013 12:02:22 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Smokin' Joe

Thanks for the respnse. Where my [I am not the operator] wells are located [central OK] there are generally gathering systems available and flaring is routinely done during testing only. We do use small amounts of lease gas to run pumping units but the issue we have with that gas is slightly sour gas. That even large quantities of gas are being flared temporarily while awaiting connection to a gas plant makes sense to me. I don’t think this is being accurately described in the media [big surprise — not.]


22 posted on 10/30/2013 1:19:25 PM PDT by R W Reactionairy ("Everyone is entitled to their own opinion ... but not to their own facts" Daniel Patrick Moynihan)
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To: R W Reactionairy

I doubt the transmission lines are there to take away the electricity. But they should work on it. Might put the local electric co out of business. Would the local electric companies want to buy this natural gas generated electricity

Eco-wackos make it hard to put up new transmission lines


23 posted on 10/30/2013 4:53:16 PM PDT by dennisw (The first principle is to find out who you are then you can achieve anything -- Buddhist monk)
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To: george76; jazusamo
The state of Wyoming should tell the federal tyrants exactly where to shove it. I'm still patiently waiting for just one western state to do so. Sigh.

Thanks for the pings, FRiends! And speaking of eagles, I saw an adult golden eagle on the side of the road yesterday while driving home from a long stretch of field surveys. What a magnificent bird! Just love watching golden eagles.

24 posted on 10/31/2013 7:31:26 AM PDT by Flycatcher (God speaks to us, through the supernal lightness of birds, in a special type of poetry.)
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To: Flycatcher

The sage grouse is becoming the son of the spotted owl in terms of the communist agenda to shut down farmers, ranchers, and energy production in the US.


25 posted on 10/31/2013 8:08:51 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76

I would not eat an owl but sage grouse sounds delicious to me. I fail to see a problem here


26 posted on 11/01/2013 8:14:39 AM PDT by dennisw (The first principle is to find out who you are then you can achieve anything -- Buddhist monk)
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