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US 'eavesdropped on Vatican in run-up to conclave'
AFP ^ | October 30, 2013

Posted on 10/30/2013 10:00:03 AM PDT by onyx

Edited on 10/30/2013 10:10:14 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

Rome — US secret services allegedly eavesdropped on cardinals before the conclave in March to elect a new pope, Italian weekly magazine Panorama claimed Wednesday.

"The National Security Agency wiretapped the pope," the magazine said, accusing the United States of listening in to telephone calls to and from the Vatican, including the accommodation housing cardinal Jorge Mario Bergoglio before he was elected Pope Francis.

The allegations follow a report on surveillance website Cryptome which said the United States intercepted 46 million telephone calls in Italy in December 2012 and early January 2013.

Among those, "there are apparently also calls from and to the Vatican," Panorama said.

"It is feared that the great American ear continued to tap prelates' conversations up to the eve of the conclave," it said, adding that there were "suspicions that the conversations of the future pope may have been monitored".

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: newpope; nsa; nsaspiedonvatican; obama; prism; privacy; secrecy; spy; spying; vaticanunaware; wiretap
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1 posted on 10/30/2013 10:00:04 AM PDT by onyx
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To: onyx

Not surprised.


2 posted on 10/30/2013 10:02:10 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: onyx

Awesome!


3 posted on 10/30/2013 10:02:32 AM PDT by humblegunner
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To: onyx
That ain't going to go over well with *The Big Guy*..........Just a thought :)
4 posted on 10/30/2013 10:02:40 AM PDT by The Cajun (Sarah Palin, Mark Levin, Ted Cruz, Mike Lee, Louie Gohmert......Nuff said.)
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To: onyx

I bet they eaves drop on the makers of popular TV shows to find out who’s going to die.


6 posted on 10/30/2013 10:04:17 AM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: onyx

Oh, well this makes sense because tacking guys who wear silk robes and red slippers IS A MATTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY!!!!!!!!

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7 posted on 10/30/2013 10:04:30 AM PDT by MeganC (Support Matt Bevin to oust Mitch McConnell! https://mattbevin.com/)
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To: onyx

If you recall, there was a collection of all electronic devices, prior to the conclave.

They would have to have held a glass to the door.....


8 posted on 10/30/2013 10:04:57 AM PDT by G Larry (Let his days be few; and let another take his office. Psalms 109:8)
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To: onyx
Maybe those listening found God and learned to pray instead of preying on others.
Meanwhile Obamacare has many praying for relief.
9 posted on 10/30/2013 10:05:09 AM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God Bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: onyx

Not surprised.

Then again the pope is also a head of state (the vatican) and his cardinals are also vatican government representatives.


10 posted on 10/30/2013 10:05:34 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: onyx

Did they have a “bug” in the Sistine Chapel?


11 posted on 10/30/2013 10:05:40 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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To: The Cajun

Marxist Muslim, all the way.


12 posted on 10/30/2013 10:05:43 AM PDT by onyx (Please Support Free Republic - Donate Monthly! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, Let Me know!)
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To: G Larry

land lines.

lasers on windows.

easy peasy.


13 posted on 10/30/2013 10:06:27 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: onyx

Piece of cake. I saw Tom Cruise do it.


14 posted on 10/30/2013 10:06:30 AM PDT by freedomlover
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To: onyx

Well, we do have to track all terrorists don’t we?


15 posted on 10/30/2013 10:06:45 AM PDT by Raycpa
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To: onyx

Spy on the Pope... Why not?

The U.S. Government and it’s spy agencies have no problem spying on law abiding American citizens, bugging their cell phones, hacking their land lines, monitoring their emails, seizing their records, targeting specific individuals, groups and bugging the phones of our allies?

what’s up...


16 posted on 10/30/2013 10:07:49 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: what's up

Spy on the Pope... Why not?

what’s up??


17 posted on 10/30/2013 10:08:48 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: G Larry

A laser beam aimed a wind pane would pick up the vibrations of the glass from far away...................


18 posted on 10/30/2013 10:08:51 AM PDT by Red Badger (Proud member of the Zeta Omicron Tau Fraternity since 2004...................)
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To: onyx

Just a thought. It brings new meaning to the new pope not wanting to change his residence.


19 posted on 10/30/2013 10:09:06 AM PDT by Raycpa
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To: onyx

Did any of the eavesdroppers place bets in the London book on who the Pope would be? Would it be insider trading if they did?


20 posted on 10/30/2013 10:10:21 AM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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21 posted on 10/30/2013 10:11:47 AM PDT by RedMDer (http://www.dontfundobamacare.com/)
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To: onyx
US secret services allegedly eavesdropped on cardinals before the conclave in March to elect a new pope, Italian weekly magazine Panorama claimed Wednesday. "The National Security Agency wiretapped the pope," the magazine said, accusing the United States of listening in to telephone calls to and from the Vatican, including the accommodation housing cardinal Jorge Mario Bergoglio before he was elected Pope Francis.

Ping for later.

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22 posted on 10/30/2013 10:12:09 AM PDT by Alex Murphy (Just a common, ordinary, simple savior of America's destiny.)
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To: Salvation; markomalley; NYer; don-o; Tax-chick; mzlizzie
"It is feared that the great American ear continued to tap prelates' conversations up to the eve of the conclave," it said, adding that there were "suspicions that the conversations of the future pope may have been monitored".

Bergoglio "had been a person of interest to the American secret services since 2005, according to Wikileaks," it said.
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23 posted on 10/30/2013 10:13:09 AM PDT by onyx (Please Support Free Republic - Donate Monthly! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, Let Me know!)
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To: onyx

I don’t pretend to understand how all these agencies are connected, but I suspect there are military/ex-military with information on a lot of these issues. Is it possible that the house of cards is coming down b/c of Obama’s poor treatment of our military leaders, as well as the current active duty and vets?


24 posted on 10/30/2013 10:13:12 AM PDT by Mich Patriot (PITCH BLACK is the new "transparent")
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To: G Larry

Electronic devices may have been collected from the participating Cardinals. No way others seeking to intercept communication would be affected. It’s like banning guns; only the law abiding observe the ban.


25 posted on 10/30/2013 10:15:00 AM PDT by EDINVA
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To: onyx

Obama was probably in a pool on who would be the new Pope.


26 posted on 10/30/2013 10:19:13 AM PDT by duffee (NO poll tax, NO tax on firearms, ammunition or gun safes. NO gun free zones.)
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To: onyx
I don't believe it. I think somebody is just blowing smoke...

ducking and covering in place now

27 posted on 10/30/2013 10:19:15 AM PDT by gov_bean_ counter (Romans 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools)
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To: onyx; what's up
"The National Security Agency wiretapped the pope,"

Illegally spying on law abiding citizens is just as concerning.

Why would U.S. spy agencies wiretap and spy on law abiding individual U.S. citizens, groups and or the pope or our allies?

There would be only 1 reason to engage in these activities. The evil motives are clear. Total complete control and total power.

28 posted on 10/30/2013 10:26:48 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: onyx

Does Dennis Prager care?


29 posted on 10/30/2013 10:33:21 AM PDT by Phillyred
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To: onyx
The Federal Government is Attacking the Catholic Church
30 posted on 10/30/2013 10:34:26 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: onyx
Finally a chance to use one of my favorite quotes from Hudson Hawk. "Oh, the Pope warned me never to trust the CIA."
31 posted on 10/30/2013 10:36:52 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (Everyone get online for Obamacare on 10/1. Overload the system and crash it hard!)
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To: onyx
Why????

Really, what did they hope to learn from the Cardinals? The whole thing's so strange, as a Catholic, I can't even be angry at them. In fact, I'm beginning to feel sorry for the paranoid freaks.

32 posted on 10/30/2013 10:38:52 AM PDT by old and tired
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To: duffee
Obama was probably in a pool on who would be the new Pope.

That was funny!

33 posted on 10/30/2013 10:40:15 AM PDT by old and tired
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To: dragnet2
The NSA absolutely MUST know the truth regarding Obama's eligibility, birth certificate, SSN's, selective service card. They can access damn near anything they wish to see, so THEY KNOW THE TRUTH YET THEY ALLOW IT TO CONTINUE.

The question is, how can the bad guys/gals in our gov't outnumber the good guys? The NSA is a large Agency yet they cover for Obama. Why?

Also, Snowden.. Is he an agent of Team Barry? Is Snowden the Iranian born Valerie Jarrett's plot for stopping America from spying on foreign interests? People need to remember that Obama and his ilk are in office for one purpose, and that is to KILL America dead.

34 posted on 10/30/2013 10:41:07 AM PDT by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (If Americans were as concerned for their country as Egyptians are, Obama would be ousted!)
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To: onyx

Pathetic.


35 posted on 10/30/2013 10:41:25 AM PDT by LowTaxesEqualsProsperity
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To: onyx

"Who am I to judge?"


36 posted on 10/30/2013 10:42:28 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Obamacare: You can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.)
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To: onyx

Like I said many times about Obama - He has two agendas:

1. Destroy the US from within.

2. Empower and spread radical Islam.

So is this yet another attempt at #2? Much like Muzzies who burn down churches and kill Christians?


37 posted on 10/30/2013 10:46:47 AM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (What do we want? Time travel. When do we want it? It's irrelevant.)
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To: onyx

As an old friend of mine says in moments of extreme frustration, “It’s enough to p*ss off the Pope”.


38 posted on 10/30/2013 10:54:40 AM PDT by Riley (The Fourth Estate is the Fifth Column.)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

I agree.


39 posted on 10/30/2013 10:59:33 AM PDT by onyx (Please Support Free Republic - Donate Monthly! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, Let Me know!)
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To: Riley

LOL.


40 posted on 10/30/2013 10:59:52 AM PDT by onyx (Please Support Free Republic - Donate Monthly! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, Let Me know!)
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To: onyx

He didn’t know....


41 posted on 10/30/2013 11:03:27 AM PDT by traumer
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To: onyx

And now for something completely different.


Wouldn't surprise me a bit.

42 posted on 10/30/2013 11:05:49 AM PDT by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good -- Leo XIII)
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To: MeganC

“Robes”. Dead giveaway that the speaker knows nothing about the Catholic Church and is probably hostile.

With a president hard at work driving a wedge between American Catholics and their bishops, it shouldn’t be that hard to see why that president would like to know what the pope’s talking about.


43 posted on 10/30/2013 11:06:50 AM PDT by Romulus
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To: Secret Agent Man

Sistine Chappel is an inner room and windows are not typical panes.
No Land Lines in there either.


44 posted on 10/30/2013 11:08:18 AM PDT by G Larry (Let his days be few; and let another take his office. Psalms 109:8)
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To: onyx

I guess they’ll say it is a nation state, so no different from any other. Or maybe they won’t say anything, since no one in Congress will stop them except for Rand Paul, who is only one man.


45 posted on 10/30/2013 11:10:26 AM PDT by PghBaldy (12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team scouts photo-op locations.)
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To: onyx

Yeah, no surprise here. NSA guys just trying to find the best porn. I guess they don’t have to pay for their 900 number dial-ups.? Wait for it. How many pedophiles are hiding out at NSA? Maybe we can spot them by their brown shirts? If they have a Uni it probly looks a lot like the National Park Service sliders. Lots of pockets, epaulets, ribbons, good-guy buttons, creases-—but baggy pants.


46 posted on 10/30/2013 11:11:50 AM PDT by cherokee1 (skip the names---just kick the buttz)
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To: G Larry
US secret services allegedly eavesdropped on cardinals before the conclave in March to elect a new pope, Italian weekly magazine Panorama claimed Wednesday.

47 posted on 10/30/2013 11:14:06 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: G Larry

-—glass to the door. I bet our geniuses can read smoke signals too. And those Swiss guards wear those sharp looking leotards-—kind of strikes fear-——


48 posted on 10/30/2013 11:16:00 AM PDT by cherokee1 (skip the names---just kick the buttz)
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To: onyx

Hey I thought the Lib Progressive Control Freak Statists believed in “Sepration of Church and Sate” when it comes to everything else, I guess it doesn’t include listening devices unless the “church” in question is a Mosque then it is sacred hallowed ground...


49 posted on 10/30/2013 11:16:32 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: onyx

Spy on the Vatican... SURE

Spy on a know terror Mosque.... That be Raciss


50 posted on 10/30/2013 11:17:19 AM PDT by GraceG
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