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Americans keep moving to states with low taxes and housing costs
Washington Examiner ^ | October 30, 2013 | MICHAEL BARONE

Posted on 10/31/2013 12:03:58 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

Critics charge that Texas’s growth depends on the oil and gas industries and is weighted toward low-wage jobs. But in fact, Texas’s low-tax, light-regulation policies have produced a highly diversified economy that from 2002 to 2011 created nearly one-third of the nation’s highest-paying jobs. In those years, its number of upper- and middle-income jobs grew 24 percent.

Where are Americans moving, and why? Timothy Noah, writing in the Washington Monthly, professes to be puzzled. He points out that people have been moving out of states with high per capita incomes -- Connecticut, New York, Massachusetts, Maryland -- to states with lower income levels.

“Why are Americans by and large moving away from economic opportunity rather than toward it?” he asks.

Actually, it's not puzzling at all. The movement from high-tax, high-housing-cost states to low-tax, low-housing-cost states has been going on for more than 40 years, as I note in my new book Shaping Our Nation: How Surges of Migration Transformed America and Its Politics.

Between 1970 and 2010 the population of New York state increased from 18 million to 19 million. In that same period, the population of Texas increased from 11 million to 25 million.

The picture is even starker if you look at major metro areas. The New York metropolitan area, including counties in New Jersey and Connecticut, increased from 17.8 million in 1970 to 19.2 million in 2010 — up 8 percent. During that time the nation grew 52 percent.

In the same period, the four big metro areas in Texas — Dallas, Houston, San Antonio, Austin — grew from 6 million to 15.6 million, a 160 percent increase.

Contrary to Noah’s inference, people don’t move away from opportunity. They move partly in response to economic incentives, but also to pursue dreams and escape nightmares.

Opportunity does exist in the Northeastern states and in California — for people with very high skill levels. And for low-skill immigrants, without whom those metro areas would have lost rather than gained population over the last three decades.

But there’s not much opportunity there for people with midlevel skills who want to raise families. Housing costs are exceedingly high, partly, as Noah notes, because of restrictive land use and zoning regulations.

And central city public schools, with a few exceptions, repel most middle-class parents.

High taxes produce revenues to finance handsome benefits and pensions for public employee union members in the high-cost states. It’s hard to see how this benefits middle-class people making their livings in the private sector.

Moreover, Noah’s use of per capita incomes is misleading, since children typically have no income and many in the Northeast and coastal California are childless. If you look at household incomes, these states are far closer to the national average.

As economist Tyler Cowen points out in a Time magazine cover story, when you adjust incomes for tax rates and cost of living, Texas comes out ahead of California and New York and ranks behind only Virginia and Washington state (which like Texas has no state income tax).

Critics charge that Texas’s growth depends on the oil and gas industries and is weighted toward low-wage jobs. But in fact, Texas’s low-tax, light-regulation policies have produced a highly diversified economy that from 2002 to 2011 created nearly one-third of the nation’s highest-paying jobs. In those years, its number of upper- and middle-income jobs grew 24 percent.

Liberals like Noah often decry income inequality. But the states with the most unequal incomes and highest poverty levels these days are California and New York. That’s what happens when high taxes and housing costs squeeze out the middle class.

As Noah notes, “Few working-class people earn enough money to live anywhere near San Francisco.”

This leaves a highly visible and articulate upper class willing, in line with their liberal beliefs, to shoulder high tax burdens and a very much larger lower class, many of them immigrants, available to serve them in restaurants, landscape their gardens and valet-park their cars.

There’s nothing wrong with living in a high-rise, restaurant-studded, subway-served neighborhood (I do). It’s great that America offers more such options than one and two generations ago.

But it’s foolish to try to cram everyone into such surroundings, as the Obama Department of Housing and Urban Development (as Terry Eastland reports in the Weekly Standard) and California Governor Jerry Brown are trying to do.

Noah notes correctly that fewer Americans have been moving recently. That’s always true in times of economic distress (the Okies’ trek along U.S. Route 66 to California’s Central Valley in the 1930s was a memorable exception, not the rule).

But they continue to move to the low-tax states that are providing jobs and living space where they can pursue their dreams and escape places that burden them with high costs and provide few middle-class amenities in return.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: america; barone; costofliving; freedom; jobs; lawsuitreform; lessregulation; liberty; life; lowtaxes; pursuitofhappiness

1 posted on 10/31/2013 12:03:58 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

It’s called “Marxism”.

Karl Marx HATED the middle class. He wanted their blood flowing the streets.

So the middle class is moving out of these Marxist areas to places where capitalism still lives.

And once those middle classers get there, the vote for liberal Marxists thereby compounding the problem....


2 posted on 10/31/2013 12:09:21 AM PDT by Tzimisce
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Liberals no! Stay in the state your ruined!


3 posted on 10/31/2013 12:09:56 AM PDT by max americana (fired liberals in our company last election, and I laughed while they cried (true story))
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bkmk


4 posted on 10/31/2013 12:13:41 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: Tzimisce

The sum of the values in circulation can clearly not be augmented by any change in their distribution, any more than the quantity of the precious metals in a country by a Jew selling a Queen Anne’s farthing for a guinea.

- Das Kapital, Chapter Five: Contradictions in the General Formula of Capital

So ..... who did Karl Marx hate?


5 posted on 10/31/2013 12:30:10 AM PDT by dr_lew
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

In the movie White Christmas, Davis (Danny Kaye) tells Wallace (Bing Crosby) that “it would be easier to find a Democrat [in Vermont]” than to find a song & dance team like themselves. Now you can’t find a Republican in Vermont — think Howard Dean as its governor.

And that’s the problem: leftist crap weasels ruin the states in which they live with unbearable taxes, government spending, and regulations, and then move on to free states to repeat the process.


6 posted on 10/31/2013 1:44:52 AM PDT by twister881
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Yeah, but the problem also is the trash leftists all move in these days and start to turn everything into California.

Not a joke...


7 posted on 10/31/2013 1:49:23 AM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God Bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: twister881

I agree.


8 posted on 10/31/2013 1:50:16 AM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God Bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: A CA Guy

x3


9 posted on 10/31/2013 2:51:22 AM PDT by hadaclueonce (dont worry about Mexico, put the fence around kalifornia.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

“Why are Americans by and large moving away from economic opportunity rather than toward it?” he asks.

Because they are seeing tax slavery for what it is. In NJ you can own a very average home free & clear, and pay $600+ per month in property taxes for the privilege of living here (mostly for the public schools, which are not good). When your GRANDchildren are no loger in the schools, the state will freeze your property taxes - at $600+ per month. One of our former governors admitted that without illegal immigration, we lost population (and we lost an electoral vote to confirm that). The illegals are immediately on the dole, and the dwindling number of taxpayers get the bill. Since Americans don’t have families anymore, why would one live in an area where you pay so much for others’ kids?

The author mentions “low-skill immigrants”; here in NJ most are illegal, and they contribute nothing. If anyone thought they would save Social Security, note the smallest increase in years at a time when we’ve never had more illegals in this country; they know they are imported to pay for retired Americans, and they ain’t playing ball (while they continue to breed a next generation that Americans won’t).


10 posted on 10/31/2013 2:58:07 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

It’s not all about money. Many of us have moved to states with less regulation.


11 posted on 10/31/2013 2:58:12 AM PDT by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: twister881
.....And that’s the problem: leftist crap weasels ruin the states in which they live with unbearable taxes, government spending, and regulations, and then move on to free states to repeat the process.

Many of them are public sector union retirees - teachers, etc - who've moved to more favorable climes (weather-wise/tax-wise) while collecting their generous government pensions from places like Illinois (where the state is financially treading water; where tax rates are driving people and business to places like Texas, as they flee higher taxes imposed by states run by liberals, who have run their economies into the ground).

12 posted on 10/31/2013 3:03:04 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: freedomfiter2
It’s not all about money. Many of us have moved to states with less regulation.

Texas: lower taxes, less regulation and lawsuit abuse reform = business friendly government.

13 posted on 10/31/2013 3:04:24 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: A CA Guy

Same sh*t happened here in Virginia. The scum from DC and Maryland determined their work was done and proceeded to infest this state .. and here we are, with all-but-certain Gov-elect Terry McAuliffe.


14 posted on 10/31/2013 3:08:12 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Obama is so far in over his head, even his ears are beneath the water level.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I didn’t quite make it that far. I moved to Oklahoma for it’s best in the nation homeschool laws. Texas would be my next choice. In all fairness to Texas, I have to go there to make enough money.


15 posted on 10/31/2013 3:13:51 AM PDT by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: ScottinVA
Again I state, you may not be able to win this individual race at this time but:

Go after the sponsors of your press that keep working against those opposing Democrats. They cover and advertise for them free and give the equivalent of at least tens of billions a year to the Democrat party.

Go after them in letters and email.
Cut off they food and make them starve till the free press is a unbiased press.

16 posted on 10/31/2013 3:14:02 AM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God Bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Tzimisce

Seriously considering relocating out of Connecticut within the year. Maybe North Carolina or farther south.


17 posted on 10/31/2013 3:39:46 AM PDT by SteelCurtain_SSN720 (If you pass the rabid child, say "hammer down" for me)
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To: A CA Guy

“Yeah, but the problem also is the trash leftists all move in these days and start to turn everything into California. Not a joke...”

Nope, no joke for sure. Just look at Colorado. Once a perfectly good conservative stat. Now, a liberal enclave. Others to follow; Nevada, New Mexico, Montana, others. Even Texas is seeing a purpling hue creeping into our state. What to do? Spend more time helping them see the truth conservatism works, liberalism doesn’t.


18 posted on 10/31/2013 3:56:46 AM PDT by snoringbear (E.oGovernment is the Pimp,)
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To: snoringbear
Spend more time helping them see the truth conservatism works, liberalism doesn’t.

You are operating under the flawed assumption that liberals like actual facts and hard data; not so, they only are concerned with what "feels good".
19 posted on 10/31/2013 4:03:52 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: max americana
Liberals no! Stay in the state your ruined!

Ditto!

20 posted on 10/31/2013 4:08:23 AM PDT by Hoodat (BENGHAZI - 4 KILLED, 2 MIA)
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To: Tzimisce

My prediction is the Feds will mandate equal Medicaid eligibility levels in all states somehow. Maybe through the courts.
I believe that Medicaid is one of the single largest line items in the highly taxed states budgets.
When that happens, and I believe it will, there will be much less of a differential.


21 posted on 10/31/2013 4:17:01 AM PDT by Palio di Siena (Obama loves the USA like OJ loved Nicole)
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To: snoringbear
Texas should have never moved all those Katrina people there from New Orleans. They brought massive crime, a rise in welfare and a rise in Democrat votes as well.
22 posted on 10/31/2013 4:19:37 AM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God Bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: kearnyirish2

Welfare is the government funded breeding program for demrat voters. Whites are simply being bred out of existence along with their following of abortion killers.


23 posted on 10/31/2013 4:23:55 AM PDT by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed.)
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To: freedomfiter2

Oklahoma is the reddest state on the continent. I have never met an Oklahoman that wasn’t a fine person. They are not to be trifled with.


24 posted on 10/31/2013 4:27:19 AM PDT by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed.)
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To: kearnyirish2
(while they continue to breed a next generation that Americans won’t).

While they continue to breed a next generation Americans (working, Americans, that is), often can't afford to breed themselves because they are working to pay off the tab for the illegals.

Responsible people are being outbred because they are picking up the tab for the irresponsible ones. Get rid of Welfare as we know it, and that problem might reverse itself. Otherwise, LBJ was right.

25 posted on 10/31/2013 4:32:55 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Neoliberalnot

Yes, we love it here but don’t tell anyone.


26 posted on 10/31/2013 4:33:55 AM PDT by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: A CA Guy

“Texas should have never moved all those Katrina people there from New Orleans. They brought massive crime, a rise in welfare and a rise in Democrat votes as well.”

Yeaaah, guess no good deed goes unpunished. Hopefully, over time they will return to their beloved Big Easy. Surely welfare benefits are better there than in Texas. If not, then we need to tighten ours up some.


27 posted on 10/31/2013 4:35:03 AM PDT by snoringbear (E.oGovernment is the Pimp,)
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To: Smokin' Joe

Responsible people are being outbred because they are picking up the tab for the irresponsible ones.

Only in some cases. In the homeschool circles I travel in, families average at least 6 children and they are raising them to be responsible, productive adults. The problem is the parents who are conservative but send their children off to the government reeducation camps to be re programed.


28 posted on 10/31/2013 4:39:37 AM PDT by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: freedomfiter2

Actually, the problem is the Welfare system, and the refusal of the Federal Government to secure our borders.


29 posted on 10/31/2013 4:41:42 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: A CA Guy

The reason I left Houston in 2005, Katrina evacuees!


30 posted on 10/31/2013 4:56:22 AM PDT by seeker41 (take your country back by whatever means necessary)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Key point:

Moreover, Noah’s use of per capita incomes is misleading, since children typically have no income and many in the Northeast and coastal California are childless. If you look at household incomes, these states are far closer to the national average.

31 posted on 10/31/2013 5:10:15 AM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

That’s how we ended up with Graham here in SC. All the liberals up north flocked to SC to escape the liberal taxes they voted for and now they vote for people who share their liberalism.


32 posted on 10/31/2013 6:07:33 AM PDT by RetSignman (As Goes America, So Goes the World. A Communist America, A Communist World.)
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To: kearnyirish2

You have a most excellent and truthful tagline.


33 posted on 10/31/2013 8:05:57 AM PDT by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed.)
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To: seeker41

I know, it is like all New Orleans had were people on the dole, criminals and victims.
Why did Texas ever keep them, it would almost have been better to take and enclave of illegals. At least there would have been less crime brought in IMO.


34 posted on 10/31/2013 10:23:44 AM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God Bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: dr_lew

He can hate more than one group.


35 posted on 10/31/2013 12:23:18 PM PDT by Tzimisce
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To: Neoliberalnot

“Welfare is the government funded breeding program for demrat voters. Whites are simply being bred out of existence along with their following of abortion killers.”

True, and whites are subsidizing the rest while it happens. The Dems now prefer to import Hispanic voting-age wlefare recipients instead of breeding urban blacks (who cost too much and behave erratically).


36 posted on 11/01/2013 5:27:15 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: Smokin' Joe

“Responsible people are being outbred because they are picking up the tab for the irresponsible ones. Get rid of Welfare as we know it, and that problem might reverse itself. Otherwise, LBJ was right.”

Resonsible people would pick up much less of the tab if they would breed themselves. LBJ was absolutely right in how he intended to buy the votes for decades into the future; that doesn’t mean working people should just forego families of their own.

(I know there are many sound legal issues with marriage that aren’t going away, but to simply watch one’s people go the way of the dodo is insanity)


37 posted on 11/01/2013 5:57:44 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: Neoliberalnot

“You have a most excellent and truthful tagline.”

Thank you. Until the outright racism in affirmative action is addressed, nothing else (outside of abortion) matters much to me. Without equal access to education and jobs, I don’t think tax issues or even family issues mean much to white guys.

I also don’t think white guys should be expected to treat blacks, Hispanics, and women as equals when the government regards those groups as mildly retarded. White women alone could swing the balance of power in this country, but they’d rather vote their feminism (and preferential status) and watch their eggs dry up (cursing the little brown children they brsuh past as they head to work every day to feed said brown children while they have none of their own).


38 posted on 11/01/2013 6:08:38 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: kearnyirish2
Working people don't get a monthly bonus for having more kids like the welfare moms do.

If you are trying to live within your means, you can't live as well as those who are living outside your means, on your dime. The productive are being bled white by the government to pay for the non-productive, and responsible people aren't going to have more kids than they can afford.

That leaves the rest breeding like rats, and that will overrun the responsible folks in the end IF the Welfare system isn't seriously cut back or modified to remove the incentive to have kids wholesale.

39 posted on 11/01/2013 12:16:37 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Smokin' Joe

“Working people don’t get a monthly bonus for having more kids like the welfare moms do.”

They get the same tax deductions that others get.

“That leaves the rest breeding like rats, and that will overrun the responsible folks in the end IF the Welfare system isn’t seriously cut back or modified to remove the incentive to have kids wholesale.”

The birthrate fell for the welfare populations after the 1996 welfare reform (this is how Hispanics passed blacks in population by 2000, ten years earlier than anticipated); the underclass is growing because they are being imported now. The new underclass (Hispanics) is breeding the way the urban underclass had done previously (while being supplemented with a steady stream of imported reinforcements); that demographic is what is costing the Republicans big-time.


40 posted on 11/01/2013 1:24:52 PM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: kearnyirish2
that demographic is what is costing the Republicans big-time.

I don't think the math holds up on this statement.

Someone ran the 2012 numbers and if Romney got upwards of 80% of the "Hispanic" vote he still would have lost.

41 posted on 11/01/2013 1:31:42 PM PDT by Fledermaus (Primary and beat the RINO's.)
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To: Fledermaus

“I don’t think the math holds up on this statement. Someone ran the 2012 numbers and if Romney got upwards of 80% of the “Hispanic” vote he still would have lost.”

I’ve posted before that white women alone sway elections in the Dems favor (as they outnumber blacks and Hispanics); with much of that vote automatically Dem they have to get votes elsewhere. Surrendering the Hispanic vote as well is a losing strategy; caving on amnesty is doom.


42 posted on 11/01/2013 2:17:16 PM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: kearnyirish2

Especially younger unmarried white women.


43 posted on 11/01/2013 3:51:33 PM PDT by Fledermaus (Primary and beat the RINO's.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Alternate Title: “Liberals Flee the Hellholes They Created to Invade Other States and Screw Them Up, Too!!!”


44 posted on 11/01/2013 4:17:31 PM PDT by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off. -786 +969)
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To: Fledermaus

“Especially younger unmarried white women.”

Yes, there is hope with older, married mothers.


45 posted on 11/01/2013 5:00:54 PM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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